User blog:YE/IRC Meeting Number 30


 * 1) hurricane Bill XXVIII (28) was a bill that was passed on Wednesday, June 27, 2012, at 03:00z in an a meeting that day. Members of the Hurricane Wiki were also present.

Logs
Note:This content is from a meeting on ##hurricanes. Tell me if you don't want your sayings listed here.

[19:02]	TheAustinMan|CS	YE [19:02]	TheAustinMan|CS	how much longer until official meeting [19:02]	YE	once I finish Max 87 [19:02]	YE	should not be much longer [19:02]	TheAustinMan|CS	ok [19:03]	TheAustinMan|CS	https://sites.google.com/site/hurricaneswikiwptcirclogs/home [19:03]	TheAustinMan|CS	Private site [19:04]	Cyclone10 [19:04]	TheAustinMan|CS	what [19:04]	TheAustinMan|CS	https://sites.google.com/site/hurricaneswikiwptcirclogs/logs [19:07]	TheAustinMan|CS	What about it Cy10 [19:07]	Cyclone10	Nothing [19:07]	TheAustinMan|CS	You were lik e [19:07]	TheAustinMan|CS [19:08]	Cyclone10	Can everyone read the logs? [19:08]	TheAustinMan|CS	no [19:08]	TheAustinMan|CS	Just people with the link [19:08]	YE	k [19:08]	TheAustinMan|CS	Done? [19:10]	Cyclone10 [19:10]	YE	very close [19:10]	Cyclone10 [19:10]	YE	still have a tibit or two to add [19:10]	TheAustinMan|CS	ok [19:10]	TheAustinMan|CS	No rush [19:11]	YE	"However, the storm entered the 26 C isotherm and began to weaken rapidly, though the storms actual intensity remained stronger than satellite intensity estimates." [19:11]	YE	does this sound weird to any of you? [19:11]	Cyclone10	not really [19:11]	TheAustinMan|CS	not really [19:11]	TheAustinMan|CS	oh [19:11]	TheAustinMan|CS	*storm's [19:11]	TheAustinMan|CS	add apostrophe [19:11]	YE	yea, got that [19:11]	TheAustinMan|CS	I think you use although instead of though [19:13]	TheAustinMan|CS	Other than that, you're good [19:14]	YE	ok, we can being now [19:14]	TheAustinMan|CS	*begin [19:14]	TheAustinMan|CS [19:14]	YE [19:14]	Cyclone10 [19:15]	TheAustinMan|CS	Ok [19:15]	TheAustinMan|CS	Change the topic and we can begin [19:15]	YE	okay, #wiki-hurricane sis getting less and less producitve [19:15]	=-=	YE has changed the topic to “Welcome to the HWiki channel | http://hurricanes.wikia.com | https://www.facebook.com/HurricaneWiki | http://tinyurl.com/6s75blg | "When I first came here, I thought Cy10 was 13, you were likely in your 20s, and TA was 14" -The Austin Man | meeting” [19:15]	=-=	Cyclone10 has changed the topic to “Welcome to the HWiki channel | http://hurricanes.wikia.com | https://www.facebook.com/HurricaneWiki | http://tinyurl.com/6s75blg | "When I first came here, I thought Cy10 was 13, you were likely in your 20s, and TA was 14" -The Austin Man | Meeting time” [19:15]	YE	*is [19:15]	TheAustinMan|CS	Yeah [19:15]	TheAustinMan|CS	We can agree on that [19:15]	YE	it is our job to change it [19:15]	TheAustinMan|CS	Why do we have to change it? [19:16]	Cyclone10	^ [19:16]	TheAustinMan|CS	I thought the original issue was ##hurricanes was a WPTC excursion, and we decided to invade #wiki-hurricanes [19:16]	Cyclone10	We get ourselves kicked if we do that [19:16]	YE	yea [19:16]	TheAustinMan|CS	Well, their moderators are sane [19:17]	YE	well, the issue is how to stop the bleeding here an dover there [19:17]	YE	*and over [19:17]	TheAustinMan|CS	True [19:17]	TheAustinMan|CS	We've done our part to stop the bleeding here. [19:17]	TheAustinMan|CS	So now we have to come up with a way to how we are going to stop the issues there [19:18]	TheAustinMan|CS	To restore it to pre-Darren era conditions [19:18]	YE	yep [19:18]	Cyclone10 [19:18]	TheAustinMan|CS	How are we going to do that.... [19:18]	Cyclone10	^ [19:18]	YE	which is why I urged Cy10 to get going [19:18]	TheAustinMan|CS	have a diplomatic meeting with their moderators? [19:18]	YE	I would consider that [19:19]	TheAustinMan|CS	I know their moderators are sane, but in a diplomatic meeting there will be tense discussion [19:19]	Cyclone10	Yeah [19:19]	TheAustinMan|CS	But if we're starting anywhere we have to start now [19:20]	YE	it would not be tense [19:20]	TheAustinMan|CS	Well, not tense, but a lot of opinions will be thrown around for sure [19:20]	YE	yea [19:20]	TheAustinMan|CS	That's one way of doing it, through diplomatic meetings [19:20]	TheAustinMan|CS	But what else? [19:20]	YE	it might require a med Cab member but that is pushing it a lot [19:20]	TheAustinMan|CS	Who's a med Cab [19:21]	Cyclone10	Yeah... [19:21]	YE	a med Cab is a group that results in compromises for huge wiki fights [19:21]	TheAustinMan|CS	Ah [19:21]	YE	WPTC needed this a couple times over the past year or two [19:21]	TheAustinMan|CS	But I agree, that's pushing it, especially just for IRC matters [19:21]	YE	yea [19:22]	TheAustinMan|CS	Remember, this is only a behaviorial issue [19:22]	YE	yea [19:22]	YE	and a writing one [19:22]	TheAustinMan|CS	Sort of [19:22]	YE	which is JC's and Hink's main concern [19:22]	TheAustinMan|CS	What's another solution [19:22]	TheAustinMan|CS	Obviously going in there and having a big civil war won't help. [19:22]	TheAustinMan|CS	But you never know how that would turn out [19:23]	Cyclone10	We'll lose [19:23]	TheAustinMan|CS	Well, the moderators are on our side, in terms of the general idea, maybe not the smaller and finer details, but in general [19:23]	YE	in terms of behavior yes [19:24]	TheAustinMan|CS	But a civil war is pushing it [19:24]	TheAustinMan|CS	still [19:24]	YE	not at the right time [19:24]	TheAustinMan|CS	Yeah [19:24]	YE	it may work, but there is too many risks [19:24]	TheAustinMan|CS	Civil wars are things that are nearly irreversible [19:24]	YE	I've tried that though [19:25]	TheAustinMan|CS	When? [19:25]	YE	late 2010 [19:25]	YE	which is war there are so many wartime bills [19:25]	TheAustinMan|CS	And what was it for though [19:25]	YE	maturity level and off-topic stuff [19:26]	YE	and notability [19:26]	TheAustinMan|CS	Oh [19:26]	TheAustinMan|CS	Did it help? [19:26]	TheAustinMan|CS	Because this is a similar situation as in 2010 [19:27]	YE	yes and no [19:27]	TheAustinMan|CS	What were the good side effects, first [19:28]	YE	we got a little of what we wanted [19:28]	YE	in terms of changing the topics [19:28]	TheAustinMan|CS	Mhmm [19:28]	TheAustinMan|CS	and bad side effects? [19:28]	YE	multiple banns, drama, instability [19:28]	TheAustinMan|CS	Right [19:29]	Cyclone10	No one wants that [19:29]	TheAustinMan|CS	A similar situation today would have good short-term effects, but in the long-term things would collapse [19:29]	YE	On an upside, it allowed for an issue to be resolved that was unavoidable [19:29]	TheAustinMan|CS	True [19:30]	YE	and some of the notability stuff happened [19:30]	YE	along with them being a little more understandable [19:30]	TheAustinMan|CS	Good short-term effects (1-3 weeks), bad long-term effects (4 weeks -) [19:30]	Cyclone10	And there's the RFC right now [19:30]	TheAustinMan|CS	yeah [19:30]	YE	we will deal with the RFC later [19:31]	TheAustinMan|CS	But here we are in 2012, sort of a fracture off of the previous civil war [19:32]	TheAustinMan|CS	What to do now [19:32]	TheAustinMan|CS	lets see [19:32]	TheAustinMan|CS	1) Diplomatic meeting [19:32]	TheAustinMan|CS	2) Civil war [19:32]	TheAustinMan|CS	3) ??? [19:32]	YE	not sure about that [19:32]	YE	we don't need to do 2) at all [19:32]	TheAustinMan|CS	Yeah [19:32]	TheAustinMan|CS	its a case, but not needed [19:33]	TheAustinMan|CS	I think the best route to take right now is to have a diplomatic meeting [19:33]	YE	I don't think we need a meeting quite yet [19:33]	TheAustinMan|CS	Personally I see it has the most efficient and plausible method though [19:33]	YE	wait till something bad happens [19:33]	TheAustinMan|CS	okay [19:33]	YE	but otherwise, I agree [19:35]	TheAustinMan|CS	yeah [19:35]	TheAustinMan|CS	Wait for the trigger, and when it happens, do some immediate countermeasures, and if it grows big, then meeting [19:35]	YE	I proposed something similar in 2010, but it did not work how I wanted it [19:35]	YE	yea [19:35]	TheAustinMan|CS	What was proposed then [19:35]	YE	a meeting [19:35]	TheAustinMan|CS	oh [19:36]	TheAustinMan|CS	Why didn't it work [19:36]	-->|	JasonRees (~chatzilla@cpc3-stev3-0-0-cust140.9-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined ##hurricanes [19:36]	TheAustinMan|CS	Hey JR [19:36]	JasonRees	hi [19:36]	YE	and it turned out to be admis just discussing WP philosophies and Tito trying to help me [19:36]	=-=	Mode ##hurricanes +v JasonRees by YE [19:36]	TheAustinMan|CS	Oh [19:36]	JasonRees	i was wondering why it was so quiet [19:37]	TheAustinMan|CS	Okay [19:37]	YE	Hink is likely busy [19:37]	TheAustinMan|CS	So we're fine with the diplomatic meeting, right Cyclone10? YE? [19:37]	YE	not yet [19:37]	TheAustinMan|CS	So what fine detailing needs to be resolved at this point with the proposal [19:38]	YE	let me see any issues right now [19:38]	TheAustinMan|CS	okay [19:38]	YE	since today was quite and boring, nothing really is going on [19:39]	TheAustinMan|CS	So far there's just the immaturity, and maybe lack of WP respect [19:39]	YE	lack of article writing [19:39]	TheAustinMan|CS	yeah [19:39]	TheAustinMan|CS	relating to WP respect [19:39]	YE	sorta [19:39]	TheAustinMan|CS	So then what [19:40]	TheAustinMan|CS	You said you aren't fine with the proposal yet [19:40]	TheAustinMan|CS	so what other thing can we fix [19:40]	Cyclone10	Nothing big [19:40]	TheAustinMan|CS	Well, YE had something to say, or at least he implied [19:40]	YE	another thing that could be discussed is notability but I think it would worsen issues [19:40]	TheAustinMan|CS	Yeah [19:40]	TheAustinMan|CS	We can leave notability afterwards [19:40]	YE	yea [19:40]	TheAustinMan|CS	or just direct discussion to the RFC [19:41]	TheAustinMan|CS	For now we just have WP article editing and immaturity on our agenda [19:41]	YE	worry about Erick and whatnot for latter [19:41]	TheAustinMan|CS	yeah [19:41]	TheAustinMan|CS	1) Wait for trigger [19:41]	YE	le'ts try a resolution to does 3 oursleves [19:41]	TheAustinMan|CS	2) Use preventative counter measures at first [19:41]	TheAustinMan|CS	3) Wait for it to grow a bit bigger [19:41]	TheAustinMan|CS	4) DM [19:41]	TheAustinMan|CS	so what resolution [19:41]	TheAustinMan|CS	and what does "to does 3 ourselves" mean [19:42]	YE	WP article editing [19:42]	YE	I am tempted to make an editing requirement, but I wont [19:42]	TheAustinMan|CS	Don't [19:42]	TheAustinMan|CS	It'll only worsen the atmosphere [19:43]	YE	for the people who don't [19:43]	TheAustinMan|CS	Yeah [19:43]	YE	no offense anyone [19:43]	TheAustinMan|CS	That solution won't work IMO [19:44]	TheAustinMan|CS	Okay, so we have the diplomatic meeting proposal set in stone, right [19:44]	TheAustinMan|CS	And does this proposal fly to #wiki-hurricanes moderators as well [19:44]	YE	we don't know when the hec that will be [19:44]	YE	and if we have it [19:44]	YE	so no [19:45]	YE	and 2, I would not call the moderators because they are not really moderators [19:45]	TheAustinMan|CS	okay [19:45]	YE	they are just regular awesome Wikipedian's [19:45]	Cyclone10	okay [19:45]	TheAustinMan|CS	#wiki-hurricanes is in my opinion just all same level of "voice" with a few stepped up users [19:46]	TheAustinMan|CS	##hurricanes has an OP (YE) but with other voiced users that have the same amount of voice, but not power [19:46]	YE	meh [19:46]	YE	the channel was designed differently [19:46]	TheAustinMan|CS	YE, Cyclone10 and I are the ##hurricanes political action committee (PAC) [19:47]	Cyclone10	We need a bill on that [19:47]	YE	though in the long run, we want to have elections [19:47]	YE	agreed [19:47]	YE	Bill 028 [19:47]	Cyclone10	agreed [19:47]	TheAustinMan|CS	Agreed [19:47]	YE	yes or no [19:47]	Cyclone10	yes [19:47]	YE	yes [19:47]	TheAustinMan|CS	Yes [19:47]	TheAustinMan|CS	What I'll say is [19:47]	TheAustinMan|CS	I'll archive this discussion starting at 21:44 [19:48]	TheAustinMan|CS	and post it in my blog [19:48]	Cyclone10	ok [19:48]	=-=	YE has changed the topic to “Welcome to the HWiki channel | http://hurricanes.wikia.com | https://www.facebook.com/HurricaneWiki | http://tinyurl.com/6s75blg | "When I first came here, I thought Cy10 was 13, you were likely in your 20s, and TA was 14" -The Austin Man | Meeting time | Voteing ends at 3z” [19:48]	YE	Ill do it [19:48]	TheAustinMan|CS	Okay [19:48]	=-=	Cyclone10 has changed the topic to “Welcome to the HWiki channel | http://hurricanes.wikia.com | https://www.facebook.com/HurricaneWiki | http://tinyurl.com/6s75blg | "When I first came here, I thought Cy10 was 13, you were likely in your 20s, and TA was 14" -The Austin Man | Meeting time | Voting ends at 3z” [19:48]	TheAustinMan|CS	Just make sure to follow the pattern of blogging about bills [19:48]	TheAustinMan|CS	that I've set [19:48]	TheAustinMan|CS	and what voting are we going to do [19:48]	YE	on Bill 028 [19:49]	TheAustinMan|CS	No [19:49]	TheAustinMan|CS	Voting ending at 3z [19:49]	TheAustinMan|CS	is that for 028 or is that for actual elections [19:49]	YE	I won't include JR's line [19:49]	YE	for 028 [19:49]	TheAustinMan|CS	ok [19:50]	TheAustinMan|CS	So 10 minutes to vote for anyone [19:50]	TheAustinMan|CS	http://hurricanes.wikia.com/wiki/Hurricane_Wiki:Bills#List_of_Bills [19:50]	YE	IRC elections? huh? [19:51]	TheAustinMan|CS	I thought you said [19:51]	TheAustinMan|CS	That we would have elections [19:51]	TheAustinMan|CS	21:47] <@YE> though in the long run, we want to have elections [19:51]	YE	in the long run [19:51]	YE	not know [19:51]	TheAustinMan|CS	okay [19:51]	TheAustinMan|CS	I'll just leave it there for now though [19:52]	YE	change it to "PAC Bill" [19:52]	TheAustinMan|CS	ok [19:52]	TheAustinMan|CS	hold on [19:53]	TheAustinMan|CS	ok [19:53]	TheAustinMan|CS	YE, at 3z you can go ahead and make the bill blog [19:54]	YE	k [19:54]	TheAustinMan|CS	g2g now [19:55]	|<--	TheAustinMan|CS has left freenode (Quit: Page closed) [19:55]	Cyclone10	bye [19:55]	YE	daw [19:56]	Cyclone10	So, no role play today [19:57]	YE	forgot about that [19:58]	YE	we'll finish this up tomorrow [19:58]	Cyclone10 [19:58]	Cyclone10	yeah [19:58]	YE	have the Erick crap to deal wth [20:06]	YE	ok, bill passed [20:07]	=-=	YE has changed the topic to “Welcome to the HWiki channel | http://hurricanes.wikia.com | https://www.facebook.com/HurricaneWiki | http://tinyurl.com/6s75blg | "When I first came here, I thought Cy10 was 13, you were likely in your 20s, and TA was 14" -The Austin Man | Meeting time | Bill 028 passes 3-0”

Bill 028 offical statement
"YE, Cyclone10 and CobraStrike are the ##hurricanes political action committee (PAC)"

This means that there is a committee to resolves issues with fellow chat #wiki-hurricanes and represent this channel in any potential diplomatic meetings.

Yes

 * YE
 * CobraStrike (bill presenter)
 * Cyclone10

Summary
Bill passed 3-0