Forum:2011 Pacific hurricane season/Dora the Explorer

===04E.DORAEdit=== ====AOI:North of PanamaEdit====
 * See Also: Forum:2011 Atlantic hurricane season#AOI:North of Panama

Since this is also an AOI in the Atlantic, while it's there, refer to the link above while the system is in the Atlantic.Darren23Edits|Mail 02:48, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * GFS, CMC, and ECMWF (somewhat) develops a small storm coming from this crossover disturbance.Darren23Edits|Mail 16:49, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * At 20%. YE Tropical Cyclone 18:01, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

====94E.InvestEdit==== Now an invest. This should become at least a TD, and my long rage forecast for this is to become a hurricane (maybe even an Adrian-like hurricane. Darren23Edits|Mail 19:59, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yay! 94E, once you leave land, please become a Cat 4/5! Here comes Dora the explorer. YE Tropical Cyclone20:08, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Enough with the name calling and wishcasting. If you can see the model guidance for this you'll know why you should stop. Darren23Edits|Mail 20:14, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is a Baja hurricane, possibly even reaching California at full tropical storm force. Becoming a cat 4/5 might actually be possible, adding onto the streak of hurricanes we had this year. But still, we should keep an eye on it and wait carefully whether it does become one or not. - HurricaneSpin(Talk) 20:38, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Darren, calm down. Where did I say that I am forecasting the storms to become Cat 4/5? I said I want the storms to become cat 4/5. Big difference. And what's wrong about making jokes about Dora's name? YE Tropical Cyclone 20:41, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing. I love it. That's why I'm here. And also, another yellow circle is up. Hurricane Andrew (aka Andrew 444) 21:13, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Andrew. 94E is this yellow circle with the old yellow circle being the one above. YE Tropical Cyclone 21:16, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Hurricane Andrew (aka Andrew 444) 21:25, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

I said stop because this could (and probably would) hit land. And y'all don't get it don't you. Have any of you experienced a 'cane in your lives? Ever??? I'm here to learn to forecast well, to learn how these huge forces work. I respect its might. That's why I don't go around saying something stupid and immature like "BECOME A CAT 5". This forum has gone way out of control when regulars left. The only reason I'm not leaving this place is because I love the format. We've got to stop treating these things like toys and start growing up. Seriously. Geez. I don't want to be the guy getting people in line cause it's stressful. So please, stop and act maturely. Darren23Edits|Mail 21:29, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * If the storm goes east, then no,but let's hope that the storms produces beneficial rainfall to Mexico without too much deaths/damage. If the storm goes west, then we can root for it to become Cat 5 all we want. And Andrew come on IRC. YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 21:43, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Andrew444, we suggest you to come to the IRC, it's at ##hurricanes on freenode. - HurricaneSpin(Talk) 22:38, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally don´t see this thing developing as of yet, but I do agree with Darren that we should respect these forces of nature. If you said something like YIPEE or HIP HIP HORRAY when there is a big cat 5 storm actually bearing down and about to obliterate entire communities, Eric would terminate your account and IP adress without question. Hurricane Carrie of 1955 never affected land, but it killed 80 people when it sank a ship far out to sea. You don´t know if there is a ship full of innocent people out there in the path of (Dora), and if that ship became sank, it wouldn´t be fun to watch then now would it? I don´t know what will happen with this storm, but from now on, I suggest we stop being so immature and respect these awe-inspiring storms. No offense, but it really is starting to piss me off. I have to agree with Darren here. Ryan1000 21:41, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * While the odds of that are low, you are correct. However, the ships are monitered via radar from the CoastGgurad. When the ship goes missing, all the hip hip horray posts stop. That should be clear. Ill be honest, but I was being immature aobve. We need to be civil on here, there is nothing wrong with beign excited, we just need to keep it cool. No more outragoeus wishcasting, compache. YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 23:01, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * There is wrong about being excited, but I don't want to get in to that. And YE, spellcheck. Back to the storm... Looks like Bret is gonna beat Dora here by a few days. I'm leaning on the HWRF solution which makes it make landfall, but it's too far away to judge precisely.Darren23<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Edits|Mail 23:27, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can udestand pst like "Droa was epic, save the devastion" or "Grge was fun to track, but it killed all the devastions" or "Yay! We now have Cat 5 Jova, but I feel bad from the Bajains in the storm's path". Darren, can we work together for once. Thank you. Anyway, the TWO should be out soon. When it is, ill post it here. YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 23:43, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Up to 60%. - HurricaneSpin (Talk) 07:58, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(58, 58, 58); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 23px; ">90%. Surprisingly, no TCFA. Darren23<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Edits|Mail 11:44, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * TCFA Alert! Darren23<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Edits|Mail 13:04, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

====Tropical Depression Four-EEdit==== <p style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(58, 58, 58); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 23px; ">ATCF has renumbered the invest and is now 04E. Intensity: 30/1006. I haven't tried to get the latest model data b/c of Bret but I'll try to get it in the next few minutes. Darren23<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Edits|Mail 13:04, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Woah! Forecast peak is 105 knts? wtf? Any shot at Cat 4 or 5? YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 14:35, July 18, 2011
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 * This season has been pretty good (except for the deaths from Beatriz). If this becomes hurricane Dora, 2011 will tie 1971 for the first 4 storms to become hurricanes. All we need is one more hurricane (Eugene) to beat 1971's record. Suprise11 14:47, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * With the formation of 04E, we will be 4 days behind climatology, which isn't that bad, compared to last years god awful climatology stats. Darren23<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Edits|Mail 14:52, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * It surprises me to see how many hurricanes we are having. That might lead to an above-average ACE this year should this keep up. 2010 had a very rapid start, but a very silent end. Ryan100015:01, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * My forecast peak is 110 knts. After three days, I expect Dora the explorer to collapse like Calvin, Adrian, and Beatriz. I am forecasting a more southwesterly track than the NHc, but not as westerly as the GFDL/HWRF. Sorta like Hilary 05. YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 15:10, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(58, 58, 58); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 23px; ">It would be very hard to have an above average season in the inactive era of EPAC. Neutral season, sure. I still think ACE is gonna be below 94 this year. Darren23<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Edits|Mail 15:16, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be hard, but not impossible either. In a sense, the season reminds me of 1998. We will likely go above 94, and have an ACE of around 100-110 at this rate like 1973, 1975, 1972, 1971, and 2005 were. YE<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 15:36, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Dora is expected to move quite fast over the next several days, but it will likely remain offshore of Mexico. The thing about this year is we have had so many hurricanes thus far in the season. 1990 and 1992 have the record in question with 16 hurricanes(8 of them consecutive in 1992), but they have never had this many to start out the season, in fact, no season since 1971 has done this. Ryan1000 15:43, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * EPAC lovers, let me remind you something. 2009 was an El Nino. Even then, the ACE was average. 2008 was neutral, and the ACE was terrible. What I'm trying to remind all of you is, it is climatologically hard for this to be above average. And let me just turn your heads back to June 2010. Anomalies happen. Darren23<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Edits|Mail 17:29, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * You just want to bustcast this season, I know it. You just hate the attention it gets and you want to disappoint us EPAC lovers. Do you relize what position the EPAC is in. Ill put me in your shoes. It is 1984. The ATL just sucked in 1983 and the EPAC just had an epic season save the damage from Octave and Tico. What are you going to do and what do you want the 1984 AHS to be like? Anyway, 2005 had more than 94 ACE points so did 1973 and 1998 and 2000 and 2001. How many were below an ACE of 94, I only know of four, 2008, 1996, 1977, and 1999. BTW, if anyone wants to come on IRC, it is empty now except for me and ChanServ. YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone17:55, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(58, 58, 58); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 23px; ">I am not bustcasting this season. I'm putting reality back into this stupidity and lovefest. Facts are that we are in the active era, and that ain't changing anytime soon. La Nina-like conditions are still present. You might argue against that, but facts do you have against that? 4 hurricanes? So what! June 2009 was 300% above average ACE, and look where that crapfest ended up. The same adage applies to this basin: Don't judge June or July. Admit it, there are many factors against this being above average. Not saying it wont happen, just saying that there's a 95% chance it wont happen (CPC). Darren23<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Edits|Mail 18:36, July 18, 2011 (UTC) ====Tropical Storm DoraEdit==== <p style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(58, 58, 58); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 23px; ">Here we go!! YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 18:05, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Say hello to Dora the Explorer. I love this season (And YE, please don't put things that are silly (in other words," the explorer" isn't that necessary)). Hurricane Andrew (aka Andrew 444) 18:13, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to remove it after 24 hours when the joke gets old. :P But, yeah this season is EPIC BOY, save the deaths from Beatriz. YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 18:16, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, we're still 4 days behind climo, it's not that impressive. Darren23<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Edits|Mail 18:28, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is not the normal time of year for our 4th EPac hurricane though, that we´re certainly ahead of. YE, you forgot 2007 and 2010. Also, Darren, 2008 was La Nina, not neutral, but the ACE was still only a bit below average. 2007 was also La Nina, but the ACE of that year´s PHS was worse than any other season, except for 1977. I am not saying that this season will be above average, but, well, Dora will be more interesting to watch than Bret at least, Bret will be our first fail of the 2011 AHS. Ryan1000 18:36, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Stop comparing this season to climo, thank you. You are ruing the fun for everyone. The peak of the EPAC is from July-September, which is the time of year you start to get a feel for this season is like. Active? Inactive? ect, ect. June 2009 was not an anomaly, but I believe you meant June w010 which was so active due to a 15 day relaxation in the shear due to positive MJO. And we are in late-July, not June so it's almost the month where you watch everything extremely closely in the EPAC (At least I do). YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 18:51, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * No this year´s EPac season will not be hyperactive, but it´s certainly more interesting than the Atlantic hurricane season as of now. We have a typhoon about to make landfall in Japan and a major hurricane in the making here wheras the Atlantic sent out nothing more than an epic fail of a TS just now. Ryan1000 18:59, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I never said it would be. I order an IRC meeting at 12:30 PT to settle this matter. Please join (##hurricanes). YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 19:06, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(58, 58, 58); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 23px; ">Excuse me? It's now a 50 kt tropical storm and um, I wonder what I'm seeing in long distance radar from Florida? I somehow also see it in the satellite imagery. Hmmm... I think that's an... EYE. My point is, it's not a fail. And Ryan, double check, 08 was neutral with Nina conditions prior to it. Hmmm, doesn't that sound an awful lot like this. And for now, Bret is much, much more interesting than that weak storm in EPAC. Again, take a gander at the floaters for Bret. Darren23<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Edits|Mail 19:10, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * My point is, Bret likely won´t become even a minimal hurricane, let alone affect land. The east coast of Florida and the Bahamas could get some good waves though. It´s not entirely certain Mexico will evade Dora though. And Darren, why are you saying 2008 was neutral when you said it was La Nina in the WAD page? Were you wrong then? Ryan1000 19:22, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * You were the one that say 2008 was a La Nina, so just your facts. Do you realize that Dora has Cat 4/5 potential, Bret does not? I ma not saying bret is a fail, its just that Dora is better. Darren, instead of arguing, just go write/improve a WP article. YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 19:24, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ryan, just come on IRC. BTW, Dora is at 50 knts right now. YE <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 01:43, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's a bless for SouCal that the waters adjaccent to the south tip of Baja California are cool enough to prevent Dora from Doing Beverly Hills. --88.102.101.245 06:30, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Latest forecast takes Dora to a minimal Major hurricane, but likely(and fortunately) out to sea.Ryan1000 15:29, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Dora (the Explorer) is at 70 mph, so a hurricane is very likely within 12-24 hours. And if Dora becomes one, the 2011 season is the first in 40 years to have the first four storms become hurricanes. Hurricane Andrew (aka Andrew 444) 18:46, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you realize that it will be a hurricane almost certainly at 2. YE<sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Tropical <sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; font-size: 11px; ">Cyclone 19:10, July 19, 2011 (UTC)Pretty much... Dora´s now at 70mph/994hPa. It will likely become a minimal major hurricane further from there as it slowly heads out to sea. Ryan1000 22:55, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
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 * Err, that's Bret... HurricaneMaker99 12:51, July 20, 2011 (UTC)