Forum:2011 Atlantic hurricane season

Welcome/Pre-season forecasts
Well, 2011 has been here; is there anyone who wants to make some early season forecasts, just to ramp up this forum's activity? I'm thinking it'll be something like 12-15 named storms, 4-7 'canes 2-4 majors and one category 5 storm. Anyone else want to make some calls? I also made the /Betting pools/ for this page... BTW. Ryan1000 20:16, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm rather apprehensive about this season. I don't know if it's superstitions about this name list, the fact that there hasn't been a major hurricane hitting the US in 2 years and people might be getting complacent or that there hasn't been a catagory 5 in 3 years, but this luck has to run out sometime.

Still, I think we'll be sort of average to above average, with 10-15 storms, 6-9 hurricanes, 3-5 majors and one category 5. So there's my musings on the season... I'm sort of new around this wiki, so I hope I did okay! HurricaneFiona 18:20, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, then, welcome here! Technically we haven't seen a U.S. major or east coast hurricane in 5 years, but if you consider Ike as a major hurricane knowing how bad it was, i'm not bad with that. Our luck streak may run out this year, but here's hoping it won't... Ryan1000 22:55, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought 2005 was 6 years ago.. :P Honestly, I think this year will be a pretty good year, I'm going with 13-17 named storms, 5-7 hurricanes, 2-4 majors and 1 cat 5. (there hasnt been one since 2007, I still think its likely Igor will be upgraded to 5 though!) Yqt1001 01:52, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, yes it was 6 years ago, but for now, I consider it 5 because the 2011 Atlantic hurricane season really hasn't begun yet, and either way, when we do get our next east coast hurricane or U.S. major hurricane, it will mark the longest streak on record between any two hurricanes hitting the U.S. East coast or Major hurricanes all in all on record. Currently, the last east coast landfalling hurricane was Katrina in 2005, which was 5 years, 4 months, and 27 days ago. That technically isn't "6 years" yet, but either way, it is a long streak. Our last major was Hurricane Wilma over Florida, which was 5 years, 2 months, and 28 days ago on October 24, 2005. That isn't really "6 years" either, but again, it's an incredibly long streak. Ryan1000 14:06, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well of course its more like 5 years if you do it exactly. But did anyone read Jeff's Wunderblog post about what he thinks this season will be? He said that we are leaning towards seasons like...sadly I couldnt find the article again, but one of the possible repeat seasons were 2008. Looks like the US wont get away with just one more year. (Post-season changes made it so Earl upgraded to a category 1 hurricane before making landfall in Nova Scotia, making Canada have 2 hurricane landfalls!) Yqt1001 16:04, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was counting Ike. A storm doesn't have to be strong to be destructive (Allison). But when you put it like that, that is quite a long streak. I just hope those devastating hurricanes do some good, and persuade people to leave town as soon as a hurricane warning is declared. Oh, and 2008? It's looking more like we'll have another active year! HurricaneFiona 16:29, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, as much as I don't want to see a bad season, I also just can't see the United States going for yet another year without at least one signifigant U.S. major hurricane, or a hurricane altogether. I don't know what will happen in the 2011 AHS, but we have had one lucky year too many. We cannot evade these major hurricanes forever, and I fear 2011 is the final frontier. We will more than likely have at least one signifigant U.S. landfalling powerful storm in 2011, but if we manage to go another year without bad storms, great. Just great. As I said, here's hoping it won't be so bad for us... I do not believe we will get a 2010-like season in terms of numbers in this year, but I also do not believe we will go through this year without at least 5+ billion in damages. I believe a repeat of 2008 or 2004 may be upon us in this year, but I don't know about a 2005-like season(i'm talking impact, not numbers). When the next CSU and NOAA forecasts come out in March or April, we may have a better idea at what kind of season we're looking at. An ENSO event will close up on us in the later part of 2011, and that's why i'm thinking we will have a 12-15 storm season, a 4-7 hurricane season, a 2-4 major hurricane season and at least one cat. 5, since our last one was nearly 4 years ago, Hurricane Felix in September 2007. We will probrably not have a near-record year in the Atlantic, but it's hard for me to think the U.S. will get another lucky break this year. Ryan1000 17:19, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well a major US landfall will happen, and the sooner the better. If we go too many years without a landfall then people (I think it was you Ryan who said this) will forget what happened in bad years for US landfalls (2005), and not worry too much about a storm that could be the worst one yet (because of peoples ignorance). 2010 would've been a good year for a US landfall, 2008 is still sorta fresh in many peoples minds, 2011 might be pushing it a bit too far but in 2012, 2008 would probably be forgotten by people, and 2005 is barely remembered now as it is, so I could just imagine how horrible a category 5 landfall in any city of the US would be in 2012. So yeah, the sooner, the better. Yqt1001 19:11, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I said that in the "Dead Basin Thing" section of last year's season. I said that not long before I mentioned to Darren23 that La Nina conditions don't signify a bad season. Although I do not think we will have 2010-level activity, I hope that people in the U.S. will remember 2008(specifically Ike) rather than remember all the way back to 2004/2005. If they do that, then our next major won't be as bad as it could be. I mean, a hurricane with the impacts of a major hurricane could make people remember as much as a major hurricane alone. If we get a lot of Ike-like storms this year, then that would be the worst case scenario IMO. In the 2008 season, Eric was really upset at people in the U.S. gulf coast for not using some "common sense" with Hurricane Ike that year. Ike was responsible for nearly 200 deaths on it's rampage, and over 100 of those were in the United States. The problem with Ike is it was only a category 2 hurricane. People in Texas in September 2008 were looking at Ike and they were thinking "hey, it's only a category two hurricane. It's not gonna be so bad. The Saffir-Simpson scale says category two's only cause moderate damages". The problem with these humans is that they don't judge hurricanes based on their size; they judge them based on their strength. With Ike, it was an enormus storm over the Gulf of Mexico, and with tropical storm force winds(not gale diameter) extending up to 600 miles out and hurricane winds 250 miles, it was the most massive Atlantic hurricane on record. Although it was only a category two at landfall, it's storm surge was equal to that of a normal category 4 storm. If Ike had stalled near or on the Texas coast, or if the coast of Texas was as vulnerable to storm surge as Louisiana in 2005, then it easily could have crushed everything and everyone in it's path. Ike easily could have been costlier and deadlier than Katrina had Texas been more vulnerable, or if it had stalled near Texas. Ike caused 37.6 billion in damages, and it could have been much worse from that as is. What would have happened if we had lots of Ike-like storms in 2011? What would happen if a repeat of Ike happened in Miami instead? Or Tampa? Or Savannah? Or NYC? If a hurricane doesn't get past category two or three intensity, then most people will not believe it will be a very destructive storm for their area. Many people think that the most destructive storms are always category 4's and 5's at their landfalls, ect. But Katrina was a 3 at it's landfall and you know how bad it was. Ike was a two. Wilma was also a three. My worst fear for 2010 is that we will have a lot of Ike like storms so not only people will underestimate their power, but will forget what has happened since 2004 and 2005. I fear this year will be an armageddon season for the United States. Ryan1000 21:37, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Katrina was only a 3 at landfall, but it was a 5 at its peak. How is this relevant, because everyone thinks it was a 5 at landfall because of its peak, and that misconception is what is probably one of the most deadliest hurricane characteristics, as you start getting farther away from the season the last major landfall was. Ask people what category Katrina was at landfall in 2005, most will probably say 3, now most will say 5. Before 2005, most people didnt think category 3 was a bad hurricane, I mean its 2 categories from the worst! As we start getting farther away from 2005, people's opinions of what is a storm to run from and whats not gets stronger (what Katrina caused, is what saved many peoples life in Rita, but as we are rapidly approaching 6 years from then..people might not be as afraid of a storm like Katrina again, might be a bit different in New Orleans though). Now however, the gulf coast is a lot different from the east which hasnt really had a major landfall there since..I dont know, but it was a long time ago. I was talking to someone about Igor a while ago (this person lives in the NY area) and he said that at its current state (category 1), he wouldnt run from it, but a couple days earlier he said (back when it was a 4), if that storm was coming my way, I would be gone. He didnt leave when Earl came by, earlier in 2010. If Igor was in the gulf, I'm pretty sure the opinions of everyone near the gulf would be different than his. I'm pretty sure if Igor was at cat. 3 strength when it was plowing towards NY, most wouldnt leave, whereas if it were heading for New Orleans, most would leave. With most people predicting a landfall in North/South Carolina, this could be a wake up call for the East Coast, as the Gulf Coast gets a bit more comfortable with hurricanes, another major will hit them and make them uneasy again. It really sounds like a awful cycle, but there just isnt awareness about how bad hurricanes can be during the off season. Yqt1001 01:37, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would know that, but the worst areas for a hurricane to hit the U.S. are the most overdue areas, because they are the least prepared. New Orleans isn't this, but other places like NYC and Houston are. The most unfortunate thing is contrary to what many may believe, the city of Miami, Florida is actually the most overdue city in the entire United States for a category 5 hurricane. Although Miami has been hit with many major hurricanes in the past 100 years, the last time a hurricane completly demolished the city was the great Miami hurricane of 1926. The problem is many residents look back to Hurricane Andrew of 1992, but Andrew was too far south and too small to severely impact the Miami area. If a hurricane like Andrew hit south Florida again today just 10 miles north or so, then it could destroy everything in it's path. If a repeat of the 1926 hurricane happened in 2011, or Andrew just slightly farther north, then it could cause up to 157 billion dollars in damage. If Houston is hit with a repeat of the 1900 storm, then it would cause up to 101 billion dollars in damages. New York City hasn't seen a major hurricane since, well ever. The 1938 storm missed the city only slightly to the east. If that storm had hit NYC directly, we could have had a billion-dollar name come to us a lot earlier than when we did get our first one in 1965. If we have a repeat of any past storms in this season, it will be a horiffic year to bear. The Gulf coast is vulnerable, but the thing is, when a hurricane hits the Gulf of Mexico, it has to make landfall somewhere. Rarely do storms enter the gulf and die without making landfall(Henri 1979, Jeanne 1980). Therefore they can become prepared easier. When hurricanes reach the east coast, if they miss land from a cold front, then the only land out to sea is Bermuda, or Newfoundland/Nova Scotia if they go far enough north. In other words, hurricanes can give a false sense of security to east coast livers if they keep on missing and one eventually doesn't miss. Hurricanes can't "miss land" in the Gulf, so if one area dodges a bullet, another instead suffers from an unprescedented disaster. Ryan1000 02:10, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, although I can't find the source on Weather Underground about what we could have Yqt, the CSU and TSR Forecasts that we had last December aren't looking so promising. They say we have a 73% chance we will get a major hurricane to make landfall in the United States this year. They also stated we have a 49% chance of an east coast landfalling major hurricane, a 48% chance of a gulf coast landfalling major hurricane, and a 46% chance that a powerful major hurricane will cross the Carribean as well. All of these are above the averages of last century. Also, there is a good chance the ACE index could be above average, 66% above average at that. We could have a helluva ride this year. Ryan1000 21:46, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Aaaand yay!! The 2011 Atlantic hurricane season has officially begun (as of now). Hope we get some more activity in the tropics... Ryan1000 00:04, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Accuweather forecasts
The latest forecast from Accuweather.com from yesterday is still calling for an above-average year. More U.S. landfalls are expected from last year, as well. They're expecting 15-8-3 for 2011. It's nothing compared to the 19-12-5 stats we had last year, but above the 1900-now average of 10-6-2. The link is here. CSU's latest update will come out sometime in April, as will NOAA's, and by then we might have an even better view of what 2011 will be like. Ryan1000 20:03, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Still above average, and again any activity in the tropics will be nice. It has been quiet for too long. Yqt1001 01:43, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

2nd CSU forecast
The 2nd CSU forecast has came out. 17-9-5 is the forecast call, and more of a neutral season is being called upon than an El nino event. Appears we will have a bad season coming our way; it's looking more and more like a 2008... The link is here. Ryan1000 14:22, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

AOI: South of Cape Verde
Made it bold so it could be recognized as a title but anyways, here is a wave off Africa and south of the Cape Verde islands in the ITCZ. Haven't seen much model support yet, but should be watched for. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:35, August 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * It doesn't need to be bolded, we can recognize it on the NHC's website just as much here. Anyways, 91L is the more iminent threat, I believe. This wave could be future Franklin however. Ryan1000 01:37, August 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ryan, I know this is far out but how strong do you think this system may get down the road? 96.242.128.37 01:45, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Given the fact this wave will be following behind Emily(91L), it actually might weaken upon approaching the Caribbean behind her outflow, if she becomes strong. However, this AOI has a LONG ways to go. The SAL off of Africa is still pretty thick, so this wave has to fight that before it can do ANYTHING. 91L managed to fight it, but can this wave do so as well? We'll have to wait and see. All options are open to this wave, but there is no gurantee it will do anything yet. August has begun though, so from now on, everything bears watching. There's no telling what anything will do; the greatest thing you can expect from the tropics is the unexpected. Ryan1000 02:09, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is the storm in the eastern Caribbean right now right? If so, it's starting to look good, might want to start watching it again. Yqt1001 21:57, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

92L.INVEST
Wunderground is showing this..some kind of error? South of Cape Verde right now, on the equator. The NHC hasn't even mentioned this on their TWO yet. Yqt1001 02:34, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * No longer on Wunderground.. :S I think this wave is destined for 92L anyways. Yqt1001 23:51, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe EX-92L will regenerate in the future. OWEN2011 15:18, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * And now they are at 10%Allanjeffs 00:05, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm..it's back now. Yqt1001 00:50, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * 20% now. I changed the header to AOI:Off Africa because it hasn't even been invested yet, but if it gets just 10% more, it will become 92L. This wave(Future Franklin) could be a greater threat than Emily was, especially if it misses Hispaniola. Keep your eyes out on this thing. Ryan1000 14:16, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * In Wunderground its already 92L Allanjeffs 15:58, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * And we have also 93LAllanjeffs 19:16, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

It's invested Ryan. Just because it is only at 20% doesn't mean it can't be an invest. Yqt1001 19:13, August 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * But it's still really disorganized as of now, certainly better looking than Emily's precursor, but still, not exactly the best invest i've ever seen. I usually think that 30% or higher is the limit for an invest because 20% for the next two days doesn't mean it will develop in that time, or even the long run, because they still have a low chance of forming. 30% or higher is good enough for it to be invested IMO. We also have another AOI north of the Bahamas which could be a future storm for us as well. Currently it and Emily's remnants are at 10%, wheras this one is at 20% for the time being. Ryan1000 20:19, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Now that's more like it! 30% for the next two days. 93L is right behind this one, but it's only at 10%, as is the wave into the Bahamas and Florida in addition to ex-Emily. I guess this thing is going to be our next big story over the next week or two. Ryan1000 02:09, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * This is also 40%Allanjeffs 17:49, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * This system is disorganized as of now. OWEN2011 22:13, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a sad mistake for an invest right now. It appears it may eat the unfavorable conditions ahead of 93L, so 93L will likely be the bigger story here over the next week or two, or, if the new AOI in the EPac develops, we will have future hurricane Fernanda. Now is the time of year the tropics start to heat up, and 93L could very well be our first big story of this Atlantic hurricane season, and our second big one worldwide, after Yasi. Ryan1000 23:59, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Down to 30%, but it's holding together "sorta" despite the SAL, which should mean that 93L will get an easy ride across to the Caribbean. This could be a threat to develop down the road still. Yqt1001 11:57, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Back up to 40%. Yqt1001 12:04, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow... this is the first time I have seen five invests together at the same time (counting the Epac one). By the way, is it possible that we could hit the "I" name (Irene), if these all develop? Either way, this is still at 40%. Hurricane Andrew (444) 17:32, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * The EPac AOI isn't an invest. And yes, it is possible, but I think we will only see 2-3 storms form out of these 4 invests (95L tonight during DMIN (if it does form at all), 92L north of PR and 93L in the eastern Caribbean). Oh this is at 50% now. Yqt1001 18:00, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * While 92L will be entering a field of low wind shear, upper-level winds remain grim. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:45, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Down to 30% now...NHC is bipolar with this storm (up and down every 6 hours :S) Yqt1001 00:04, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 92L's development chances will be hindered due to its proxmitity to Gert. It still has a chance to become Harvey, but the chances are not very high. I could see it possibly becoming Harvey or 8 two days or so from now, if Gert heads further away in that time. Ryan1000 20:45, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like 92L is being fed into Gert. Yqt1001 02:55, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * yeah, now it's down to 10% and later will be gone. Perhaps 92L won't be so much after all. 93L's remnants still could however. Ryan1000 05:39, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * 92L has fizzled and is no more. After being tugged by Gert for 2 days, all that 92L remains is a cluster of clouds with no related thunderstorm activity. All eyes are now on Gert, 93L, and a wave off Africa. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:57, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

08L.HARVEY
This is the wave east of 92L, just got invested according to NHC_ATCF's files. Not on the TWO yet though. Yqt1001 19:12, August 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Which one's which? I'm a bit confused about this and 92L because both are really close to each other and they might merge if they follow each other at the same rate. We'll see about this thing though. Ryan1000 20:23, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * This one just came off of Africa today. Yqt1001 21:52, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Up to 10% now. Yqt1001 03:26, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * 40% now Allanjeffs 17:48, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, 93L looks way better than 92L in terms of organization. Maybe 93L will steal the Franklin out of 92L. OWEN2011 22:11, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * It has the same percentage of development, but it really is looking better than 92L now, and it's also remaining well organized. 92L will take out any unfavorable conditions ahead of 93L so this one has a signifigantly greater chance of development IMO. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 22:41, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I got my first "bad gut feeling" today so far this hurricane season...93L just has terror all over it. Plus it's doing really good right now, should be at 50-60% chance at 2AM and maybe a TD by Saturday at this current development pace.. Too bad Hurricane Franklin doesn't have such a terrible sounding name, Gert/Harvey would be better names for such a horrible storm! And with the models slowly pushing the storm into the Caribbean...this storm looks really similar to Dean's wave back 4 years ago today. Yqt1001 03:52, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * 93L is giving me lots of bad feelings because 92L is eating all of the shear and dry air ahead of this storm so 93L is good to go, plus this thing is much farther south and rapidly heading westward at 15-20 mph. 92L is going WNW at 20, but although it will also encounter favorable conditions and likely become Franklin(or Gert), it will likely be a fish, unless it reaches Bermuda in time. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 14:46, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoa, it lost itself a bit. Now it's down to 30%, and it's still slowly chugging off towards the west. However, given that, it may head closer to the antillies.Too close in my future... Ryan1000 05:17, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Down to 10%, looks like it has lifted out of the itcz finally, and it is struggling to hold it's convection...which is a bad thing. Now it's going to move even more west into the deep carribbean sea and potentially could be a major by the time it gets lifted north into Greater Antilies/Cuba. Yqt1001 13:28, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now at near 0% chance. Yqt1001 23:59, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Gone from NHC, but I doubt that it's fully dissipated, and since it's more southerly than Emily and the precursor to Don, it could still become our first "big" storm of the year. --HurricaneMaker99 15:42, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * This wave is just a disaster waiting to happen. Once it reaches the Caribbean Sea, this wave will likely become re-invested and could easily become Harvey(or Irene) and could then hit the Gulf coast or elsewhere across the Caribbean by that time. Keep your eyes out for this wave. It's not over yet. Ryan1000 20:49, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

It's back! Up to 10% atm. The E Caribbean is full of dry air, but as the MJO comes back into the Atlantic that dry air should disappear. Yqt1001 12:08, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Martinque/Guadeloupe radar mosiac once again prooves its usefulness today. The radar shows the two primary components of 93L. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 16:40, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now up to 20%! TD 8 could be in our hands in the next week. Hurricane Andrew (444) 17:50, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * 93L is engaging a pre-Tomas style wave...still can't find a circulation center. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 19:01, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I put the odds of formation in the next 48 hours at 45%. Conditions seem favorable, although 93L is starting to elongate itself quite a bit. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:09, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Holy sh!t! It's 2007 all over again! Yqt1001 03:44, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Starting to flare up over the very dry E Caribbean. This wave is by far one of a kind...even Emily didn't manage to flare up over the E Carb much. Yqt1001 13:49, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Continuing to move over dry air and showing no difficulty. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 16:24, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can I have a link to the hurricane models? I want to see how strong this thing gets and pre-97L also. 68.200.22.172 18:39, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * 93L is currently at 40% for the next two days and is currently in the central Caribbean, but if it doesn't develop, it will be on a headlong rush into Central America and could become Hilary in the EPac. Ryan1000 20:20, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * 60% and high chance now...here we go! CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:29, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * The thing about 93L is that it has nearly ran out of time. Unless it RI's (which could happen), the models don't show anything more than another weak TS. :/ Bah, this invest had so much hope in being the first hurricane but it ran out of time. (which could be a good thing, but the size of the system means there could be a huge flooding event from this) Yqt1001 01:41, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I could see 93L becoming future Hilary in the EPac if it doesn't become Harvey here. We'll see. It's been upped to 60%, but time is just about out. Ryan1000 05:24, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I could see 93L becoming future Hilary in the EPac if it doesn't become Harvey here. We'll see. It's been upped to 60%, but time is just about out. Ryan1000 05:24, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

80%! Models have shifted north, so we could see a strong TS out of this. Yqt1001 13:59, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oh,no, Harvey is a re-Fifi or re-Greta in my opinion. In fact, two models even make it a basin-crossing storm. Hurricane Andrew (444) 16:06, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

our 8 TD in NATL is born

BEGIN NHC_ATCF invest_RENUMBER_al932011_al082011.ren Allanjeffs 02:09, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Eight
And it's up! Our 8th TD of the season. NHC thinks it could become Harvey as it crosses by northern Honduras, but it probrably won't be too bad, it's pretty small and it won't be affecting such a huge area. I wouldn't be surprised if it dissipates later today, plus it's tiny as hell; in a way, it reminds me of Marco. Ryan1000 09:24, August 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * It would probably be upgrade to Harvey later but right now in the place i am there is only a few rainshowers and nothing more Allanjeffs 13:47, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I really thought it was not going to intensify... probably is a tropical storm right now based on recon and SFMR reports. Also, the track of this will bring it much, much further north than expected, and it should miss Honduras by miles, so I don't think land interaction will be a problem. A Belize landfall seems to be very probable at this point, probably as SHIPS suggests, as a moderate tropical storm. Darren 23 Edits 13:52, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's possible, but there may not be a Harvey coming out of this mess. Hurricane Andrew (444) 15:48, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly positive Harvey will come from this because Land interaction shouldn't hinder much intensification, SST's are warm, and the upper level environment is okay. The only thing hindering this is that it is not stacked well. But in any case, they should upgrade this either at 1800z or 2100z. Darren 23 Edits 17:14, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly positive Harvey will come from this because Land interaction shouldn't hinder much intensification, SST's are warm, and the upper level environment is okay. The only thing hindering this is that it is not stacked well. But in any case, they should upgrade this either at 1800z or 2100z. Darren 23 Edits 17:14, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Harvey
Oh what do you know... there it is. Darren 23 Edits 17:58, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Mmm...wow. Harvey reminds me of Richard, except at this time, Richard was already a 70 mph tropical storm. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:25, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The rapid storm activity continues, as Harvey's formation is the fourth earliest date for a season's eighth named storm, preceeded by only 2005's Harvey, 1936's #8 storm, and 1933's 8th named storm. Hurricane Andrew (444) 18:35, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * -80 degree Centigrade cloud tops, that's amazing. Anyways, HWRF, which once predicted a major category 4 hurricane in the Gulf, is now looking for a 1000 mbar medium tropical storm to make landfall on Dangriga, Belize. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:44, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * If this thing gets lucky, it could even pull a Humberto and become a hurricane before it hits. However, Harvey is small, close to land, and isn't very strong or too well-organized for it to explode right now. Things could still get a little interesting for Belize tomorrow evening however. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 19:27, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * looks like Harvey its strenghtening. we also have 99l if someone wants to know its near 98l Allanjeffs 19:49, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Harvey will likely not become a hurricane, unless it does a Humberto or Lorenzo intensification. It is not good news for those unfortunate Central Americans. Hurricane Andrew (444) 20:57, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * On the contrary. Because of its small size, it is more prone to rapidly intensify. I'm keeping the possibility of rapid intensification open since SHIPS does indicate a 40% chance of it RI'ing 25 kts. I have a feeling this will get to at least 50 kts. If it does enter the Bay of Campeche, remember last year, when a small storm entered the Bay of Campeche? Darren 23 Edits 21:04, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also remember Keith in 2000? That thing exploded from a minimal tropical storm to a 140 mph 939 millibar disaster in 36 hours. It was also in a similar area. Harvey is now 45 mph. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:39, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Uh, Harvey just rescently jetted a bit southward and interaction with Honduras is knocking this thing down a bit. But it still has time, and if it stalls, then it has more time to explode off of Belize. They didn't have a very pleasant time after Hurricane Iris in 2001, and of course, Karl crossed in to the BoC last year and sucker-punched Veracruz pretty good as a powerful major hurricane, but it only hit Belize/Mexico as a minor tropical storm. Keith stalled off of Belize as a cat 4, but it looped before it hit them, and by the time it did it was only a 1, as it was with it's landfall in Tampico, Mexico. Harvey is very small though, so after it hits the Yucatan it may die rather than survive like Karl did because Karl was much farther north than where Harvey is now. Ryan1000 01:55, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * now at 60mph expect to become a minimal hurricane now Allanjeffs 02:59, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's running pretty low on water and chances. Although it does remind of Keith to a small degree, I think the reformation will be its downfall. (Plus, Keith did ramp up quickly, but it came down just as fast). Jake52 08:47, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * NHC says a minimal hurricane is possible out of Harvey...HARVEY HAS AT BEST 4-8 HOURS LEFT TO STRENGTHEN BEFORE LANDFALL. WHILE THE CHANCES OF THE CYCLONE REACHING HURRICANE STRENGTH ARE DIMINISHING...THE INNER WIND CORE IS SMALL AND THUS A 10-15 KT INCREASE IN STRENGTH CANNOT BE RULED OUT. HARVEY SHOULD WEAKEN AFTER LANDFALL...EVENTUALLY DISSIPATING OVER THE MOUNTAINS OF SOUTHEASTERN MEXICO BETWEEN 48-72 HOURS. Yqt1001 15:00, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * NHC says a minimal hurricane is possible out of Harvey...HARVEY HAS AT BEST 4-8 HOURS LEFT TO STRENGTHEN BEFORE LANDFALL. WHILE THE CHANCES OF THE CYCLONE REACHING HURRICANE STRENGTH ARE DIMINISHING...THE INNER WIND CORE IS SMALL AND THUS A 10-15 KT INCREASE IN STRENGTH CANNOT BE RULED OUT. HARVEY SHOULD WEAKEN AFTER LANDFALL...EVENTUALLY DISSIPATING OVER THE MOUNTAINS OF SOUTHEASTERN MEXICO BETWEEN 48-72 HOURS. Yqt1001 15:00, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

They're not saying its possible. They were forecasting it hours ago. Now, they're saying "Okay, while it could become a hurricane, it is very improbable and highly unlikely." Darren 23 Edits 15:13, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's the thing about Harvey. It is only at 60 mph, and it has very little time to strengthen before it makes landfall. I would give it 6-12 hours to become a hurricane before it makes landfall in southern Belize, and the chances are not in favor of it happening. Ryan1000 16:08, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I am expecting AT BEST a 70 mph tropical storm. Based on Belize radar observations, Harvey is forming an eye and eyewall. The eyewall is now 4/5 complete. Landfall on the city of Dangriga is within 1 or 2 hours now. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 16:45, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Harvey makes landfall with 60mph winds. Allanjeffs 17:53, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * And at least Harvey wasn't a fail. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 20:53, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * It probrably won't be that bad for the folks down in Belize, not to mention it's small size will localize effects from Harvey. I guess he could bring some beneficial rain for crop growth though. Ryan1000 23:43, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Update:now down to 45 mph. Perhaps Harvey won't be so bad for them after all. It's weakening fairly quickly. Ryan1000 00:08, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now over Guatamala. Should be entering Mexico shortly. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:09, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Further weakening now, at 40 mph. It should die out later today. It was no fail, but it wasn't the best storm either. As we say farewell to Harvey, we say hello to Irene. Ryan1000 04:01, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Harvey
Weakened to a TD. Still causing heavy rainfall... Yqt1001 05:55, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's down and out. However, the remains of Harvey will still cause heavy flooding rainfall across Guatemala and parts of Mexico later today and into tomorrow. The threat from him is not over yet. Ryan1000 05:58, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Its not out it have emerge over the Bay of Campeche and its expect to reach TS intensity. Allanjeffs 20:46, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's too far south to become another Karl..but I'm sure that a moderate TS isn't out of the question. Yqt1001 20:47, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * And tiny Harvey...lives. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:03, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

35mph winds now. Yqt1001 23:58, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * God, this thing's stubborn. It's staying on at 30 mph, a day after it was downgraded. For god's sake, just die already you little prick! Mountains kill you, not nourish you. Latest NHC forecast actually retakes it to a tropical storm over the BOC later this morning! Ryan1000 02:09, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * And it's failed to become a TS before landfall in Mexico. Yqt1001 13:36, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Remnants of Harvey
Dissipated over the Sierra Madre. --HurricaneMaker99 14:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

AOI: North of Bahamas
And a new area pops up. It's at 10% for the next two days, but it doesn't have as much of a chance of forming as 92(or 93)L do. Still, it's worth mentioning. Ryan1000 20:23, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Up to 20%Allanjeffs 05:51, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Up to 30%, looks like 95L is on its way! O_O Yqt1001 12:03, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

95L.INVEST
Damn, quadruple invests at once! Anyways yes, this is now invested.... Yqt1001 12:26, August 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * The thing about this thing is it is rapidly heading northeastward, so it has a very small window of opurtunity to develop. 92 and 93L are the more iminent threats. Ryan1000 14:40, August 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * This storm reminds me of Shary. Plus this storm looks pretty good right now, all it has to do is be "less frontal" :P. Yqt1001 17:03, August 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Up to 60%. Yqt1001 17:57, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Shoot...60%? I come home from vacay and there is a quadruple threat! CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:30, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm...based on RGB imagery, I think we might have TD6 in the next few hours...RGB Flash Animation of 95L CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:58, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * However, note that it is expected to merge with a frontal system, so maybe Tropica Depression Six will happen, but there will likely not be a tropical storm. Hurricane Andrew (444) 20:53, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * However, note that it is expected to merge with a frontal system, so maybe Tropica Depression Six will happen, but there will likely not be a tropical storm. Hurricane Andrew (444) 20:53, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Six
In a special update......TROPICAL DEPRESSION FORMS NORTH OF BERMUDA...MOVING AWAY FROM THE UNITED STATES AND BERMUDA... Spoke too soon Andrew! (4 minutes too soon :P )Expected to peak at 45mph, so enough to get Franklin, but not Hurricane Franklin. Looks like 95L won the race to Franklin... I was not at all expecting this, but frontal storms form really quickly. Not as fast as Bret, but this was pretty fast..barely 10 hours between investing and formation. Yqt1001 20:57, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah wow. It's moving fairly fast, but darn the wind field is tiny as hell. There must be a wind radius of 30 miles from the center of just "strong breeze" winds. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:41, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Convection is diminishing...going to be this season's sixth short-lived storm. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 03:35, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Six is becoming way elongated, but I can't find that circulation anymore. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 03:52, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Franklin

 * WTF??? If you asked me which storm would become a depression by later today, I would NOT have guessed 95L. Oh well. This thing's Cindy 2.0. Ryan1000 05:09, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Now a TS. Hurricane Andrew (444) 12:23, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Where is everyone? Hurricane Andrew (444) 15:03, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Pop! Here I am. Franklin strengthened a little bit. And not everyone is avail at all times, people need to go to work. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 15:08, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Franklin, from the looks of satellite imagery, is undergoing extratropical transition. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 19:08, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * As of Advisory 5, Franklin is at 40 mph, and moving to the ENE at 22 mph. It should not even be here by Monday. Also, just if anyone cares, Franklin has made 2011 the first season since 2005 to have the sixth storm this early. 2008 really did have the activity, but Fay, that season's sixth storm, didn't come together until August 15. 2005 got it's sixth storm (ironically, also named Franklin) on July 21, but I don't think any season between 2005 and 2011 has had that storm this early. Hurricane Andrew (444) 22:50, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Remnants of Franklin
As TD7 is born, Franklin becomes extratropical. Yqt1001 02:48, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

94L.INVEST
This is part of Emily's remnants but under a new name, 94L. Currently at 10%, but heading towards where Emily formed, so I guess it has a pretty good chance of formation in a few days. Yqt1001 11:50, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Up to 20%. Yqt1001 12:03, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not technically ex-Emily though; she's heading into the far north Atlantic. This thing is much farther north than both 92 and 93L, nor is it as well-organized. However, it's heading westSOUTHwest, so it could be more iminent than 93 and 92L now. Don't let your guard down on this one. Ryan1000 14:40, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now 50%...Puerto Rico and Hispaniola may see a double hit by cyclones. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:33, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wrong invest CobraStrike. I don't think this one will develop. Yqt1001 19:24, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe yes 30%.Allanjeffs 00:30, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now is 60% we may have Gert of this systemAllanjeffs 17:57, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Here comes the 7th tropical cyclone of the season. Hurricane Andrew (444) 18:20, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

The peak of the season seems to be upon us. Storms are coming out from everywhere. :P I kinda hope this becomes a hurricane if this does develop at all, I'm don't really want this year to go down as the year where everything was a TS. :P Besides, this storm wont affect land, so it's not like I'm hoping for a hurricane landfall. Right now it looks like this and 92L might merge though..going in the same direction right now, and 92L is going 10mph faster than this storm.Yqt1001 18:42, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know this is off topic but can someone tell me a name of a retired storm that only Mexico have ask for in the present years with the exception of Diana? Allanjeffs 19:51, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Roxanne and Opal (1995), Isidore (2002), Stan (2005), Dean (2007)? And please, if you need to, ask it in this forum. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 19:55, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks but as you see Opal and Isidore affect the USA so they could have ask for retirement and Dean affected the lesser Antilles and Jamaica the question i want to ask is if a tropical system that have only affected mexico have been retired that they ask for that name and thanks i will ask a lot of questions in that forum that you give me thanks a lot. Allanjeffs 20:19, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * So that leaves Stan and Roxanne, two storms that only affected Mexico after 1990 and were retired. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 20:23, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

SHOWER ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE SMALL LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM CENTERED ABOUT 400 MILES SOUTHEAST OF BERMUDA IS BECOMING BETTER ORGANIZED. '''IF CURRENT TRENDS CONTINUE...ADVISORIES COULD BE INITIATED LATER TONIGHT. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...90 PERCENT...'''OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD TO NORTHWESTWARD AT 10 TO 15 MPH. INTERESTS IN BERMUDA SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM. TD7 is coming soon! Yqt1001 23:55, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * If this becomes Gert, according to this link here, it would be the fourth earliest date for a season's seventh storm. Only the 2005 Gert, the #7 storm of 1936, and Gabrielle of 1995 formed earlier. Also, it appears Franklin beat Hurricane Fran as the fifth earliest date for a season's sixth named storm, according to that same link. Hurricane Andrew (444) 00:07, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * NHC-ATCF has this as TD7, but I'll wait until the NHC confirms it, as the last time I posted about a TD formation before the NHC called it..they started the advisories as TS Don not TD4.. :P I recommend other people do the same please. ;) Yqt1001 01:01, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Man, the train keeps on coming. If this invest as well as 92 and 93L develop, we will already be catching up to 2005's pace. Jose, that year's 10th storm,wasn't named until August 22. If we get up to Irene with all of these invests and get our J name before August 22, we will already jump ahead of their pace. But the ACE/storm in this season is just pathetic since all of our storms thus far (except for Arlene) did virtually nothing to the place(s) they affected, and were short-lived and remained at sea. Franklin, Bret, and Cindy meet that criteria, and Don and Emily didn't do very much either. Heck, the ACE/storm this year will be worse than 2007 at this rate. Still, all invests bear watching as of now. Ryan1000 01:23, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Seven
...NEW TROPICAL DEPRESSION FORMS SOUTHEAST OF BERMUDA...TROPICAL STORM WATCH ISSUED FOR BERMUDA... We are just popping those storms this year! Bermuda seems to be the center of attention though. :P Good thing Bermuda is a reinforced as a Soviet fortress. NHC gives this the highest chances of becoming a hurricane so far this year..(other than Arlene), some models show a minimal hurricane out of this. Yqt1001 02:43, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

AHHHH!!! EDIT CONFLICT!!! Either way, we are really going in 2011. Hurricane Andrew (444) 02:53, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow, Franklin was only tropical for 30 hours. That's one of the shortest-lived and most pathetic storms i've ever seen, to be honest. And TD 7(Gert) is going towards Bermuda, but will likely do so only as a minor TS. All of the storms thus far this year were short-lived and weak; in a way, this year really reminds me of 2007, a lot of pathetic storms, but when we do get a giant hurricane or two, watch out. It's just that at this time in 2007, we were only at Dean, and we didn't get Gabrielle until September, wheras Gert will likely come later today. Harvey and Irene came at the start of August 6 years ago, but Jose, 2005's 10th storm and the earliest 10th storm on record, didn't become named until August 22. If 93 and 92L can become Harvey and Irene, we just need one more storm before August 22 to jump ahead of 2005's pace. Even though this is a neutral season, it is still incredible to see all of these storms just keep on popping up. 2005 is trying to redo it's fame for named storms. BTW, I made a Blog post about today's activity. Ryan1000 06:37, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Personally, I think this year will resemble 2010 on terms of strength of the storms...2010 started off (excluding Alex of course) with weaks storms..then bam, nearly 5 majors in a row and then many hurricanes one after the other... The SSTs and shear is too low for there to be a 2007 repeat. Right now the only thing holding the CV season back is dry air, and the only thing keeping the strength back is the fact there are no low pressure areas in the hyper fueled Caribbean, which is looking too nice for when 93L ventures in there.. Yqt1001 10:58, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Advisory 3 update: still not Gert, but heading towards Bermuda. Hurricane Andrew (444) 17:19, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Gert

 * 4th earliest date for the seventh storm. Hurricane Andrew (444) 17:58, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll be suprised if this even goes up to hurricane status, I think the 2011 season will start with seven weak tropical storms (with the exception of Arlene). CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 20:23, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2007 had a lot of weaklings in the entire season, and as a matter of fact, if you take out Dean and Felix in that year, there were no storms that got past category one intensity. It's just that at this time in 2007 we had our first hurricane in the making, and thus far we have had no hurricanes in this year's AHS. 2011 will likely have some big storms a little later in the year. And the 2011 AHS is the first since 2002 to have the first 6 storms not become hurricanes. Ryan1000 20:34, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Eyewall is developing, well defined(-ish, it might not be a true eye..it sure looks like one htough!) center appearing on Bermuda radar..Gert might be our first hurricane folks! Yqt1001 03:32, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not from how i'm seeing it. It may appear to be developing more convection but it only remains at 45 mph and it's going to be interacting with that approaching cold front tomorrow and Tuesday. Chances are not in favor of Gert becoming a hurricane, but a strong TS(60-70 mph) is not out of the question. Bermuda may be getting some rain but it's nothing compared to the hurricanes they have seen there in the past(Fabian, 1926, ect). 92L isn't looking so good and I personally don't see Harvey coming out of it. The remains of 93L, however, certainly bear watching. Ryan1000 04:26, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * IMO Gert will become a hurricane but that is just my opinion.Allanjeffs 05:44, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Up to 60mph..pressure down to 1000mb. 30% chance of hurricane formation according to NHC in the next day. Yqt1001 12:06, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, Gert is expected to pass east of Bermuda today. Hurricane Andrew (444) 13:35, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bermuda_Radar_Aug_15_2011_1553_ADT.png passing Bermuda well outside of 100 miles from the center. In other words, due to the small size of Gert, Bermuda was not affected by rain at all and only experienced breezey winds. After subsiding in thunderstorm activity earlier today, convection has once again increased. The 33% chance for hurricane winds in the next 24 hours is the highest chance seen this year, even higher than Arlene. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 19:17, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Gert is deteriorating....sorry, but our first hurricane may not come out of this. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:34, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Remnants of Gert
If you thought Don, Emily, and Franklin were fails, Gert wouldn't bring you any relief. After just 2 days and 18 hours of life, Gert is gone. Gert came out of a promising wave and pressed within 150 miles of Bermuda while hitting a maximum intensity of 65 miles per hour I believe. However, Gert did look a lot better than his failing predecessors. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:28, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don, Emily and Franklin are still bigger fails than Gert. Yqt1001 04:38, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Guess what? Gert has made history. 2011 is now the first season in over 150 years in which the first seven storms failed to reach hurricane strength (look here). The total opposite is happening in the EPac.In that case, 2011 is only the second season ever to have the first five or more named storms hit hurricane strength (only 1966 had this many from the start). And CobraStrike, Gert is a female name, not a male name. Hurricane Andrew (444) 15:12, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sheesh. Nice find. The 7 straight tropical storms are the reason why my official Atlantic forecast, even in ENSO-Neutral or weak La Nina, gives a very low 6 hurricanes and 2 majors. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 16:30, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

96L.INVEST
I didn't see it either, but it appears that an area of low pressure situated directly south of Nova Scotia and north of Gert was designated as Invest 96L this whole time. It was never mentioned on the NHC tropical weather outlook and yet it remains invested...strange. Anyways, Invest 96L is about the size of Texas. With a minimum pressure of 1011 mbar and wind speeds of 25 mph (based on ship reports), don't expect much from this storm. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:41, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Should be gone now. Hopefully it would be mention in the TCR section. Cyclone10 19:05, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully it's a subtropical storm.Cyclone10 01:00, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

AOI:Off Africa
This organized wave shows promise as it begins a 7-day traverse across the Atlantic from Africa to the Caribbean. First it has to deal with some SAL but after that its all on its own. Watch out...this may be our next big story. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:41, August 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Up to 10% now. Yqt1001 01:53, August 18, 2011 (UTC


 * The more sophisticated models have shown very good consistency on this wave's track and intensity. Hurricane landfall on S Florida. First time the GFS model has been consistent this whole season. Yqt1001 04:52, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * If 93L doesn't become Harvey, this one certainly could. Things are about to get interesting here. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 05:25, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

97L.INVEST
Invested Yqt1001 14:01, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

The invest has an incredible amount of spin to it, but only limited shower activity. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:21, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's only at 20%, but 98L east of 97L is much more well-organized and could more easily become Harvey if the wave near CA can't make it by tomorrow. It's at 80% for the next two days, but it pretty much ran out of time, and it probrably won't develop. This wave scares me more because if it can develop earlier, say once it reaches the lessers, then the Gulf coast is in deep sh!t. They haven't been hit hard by any severe hurricane since Ike in 2008, and everyone else has missed us, particularly in North Carolina and Florida. And because 98L is heading WNW and this one is heading west, it could still run into parts of the SAL, which will weaken it a bit, and it likely won't affect land signifigantly since storms that develop early have little chance of affecting the U.S. and Caribbean. The Bermuda High isn't in the same position as it was last year but it still will recurve any strong hurricanes out to sea if they develop too early. This wave really scares me in the long run. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 00:43, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * 40%, 97L gained a lot more convection near the center. Apporaching the Lesser Antilles. Another Caribbean cruiser this year. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:28, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * HWRF prediction...The HWRF predicts another potential big cane'. It predicts that 97L will bring more terror to Hispaniola, making landfall as a 976 mbar tropical storm in 90 hours??? Anyways, 97L is exxpected to emerge into the Atlantic Ocean. The 128 (6 day) outlook from the HWRF sees then-Irene or Jose as a category 1 964 mbar hurricane... who knows what happens next, a Miami strike? CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:53, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The models are quite conflicted on this one to say the least. GFDL doesn't develop it at all while the GFS explodes the thing into a huge hurricane, moving it south of the big islands and up into eastern Gulf as a monster storm pointed right at the Gulf Coast! The 12Z GFS is really interesting. Not only does it go nuts with 97L, but it develops something else off Africa behind 98L, which it develops but takes out to sea and doesn't intensify much. The ECMWF, the same model that correctly forecast Emily's dissipation near Hispaniola, has a similar forecast. It has 97L brushing the southern coast of Hispaniola but remaining intact and strengthening further south of Cuba and heading towards the Gulf. And like the GFS, it also develops 98L but dissipates it fairly quickly and brings in another storm behind it off Africa. This is getting very interesting. -- SkyFury 20:39, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Things are indeed getting very interesting. Now it's at 60% as it continues to rocket west at 20 mph. I think it already has a cyclonic swirl to it, and it could become Irene(or 9) as soon as tomorrow. Stay tuned. The thing about 97L is the current computer models are taking it onto a collision course with Hispaniola so it could just be a re-Emily if it fails to intensify enough. Ryan1000 02:09, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

The GFS forecast is frickin scary man. Back to back runs now, it has it as a strong hurricane headed right for the Gulf Coast. If anything, the 18Z run made it even more intense. HWRF takes it a little further north, clipping the peninsula of Haiti and the eastern tip of Cuba, but still has it headed for the Florida Staits as a Category 2 hurricane in five days. This one is officially making me nervous, especially seeing as I go to school in Mobile, in fact I'm headed back there tomorrow. Moving into my new apartment. -- SkyFury 04:04, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Even though the GFS brings 97L (future Irene) closer to home (greetings from New England...), it won't be that strong and it will stay offshore if the 6z GFS run is correct, though it does forecast a re-Fay to some degree (strengthening over Florida, dumping a lot of rain there as well), so it doesn't scare me too much. As for HWRF, the 6z run gives me the creeps; think Fay's Caribbean life, but as a Cat 3/4 instead of a TS. If this thing slams into Haiti as a major hurricane, there could will be hundreds dead. We need to watch this thing like a hawk; if that recent HWRF run turns out to be correct, it will make Arlene and Harvey look like little worms (though I still carry the fear that Harvey could be a re-Matthew). Oh, and it's at 80% now. --HurricaneMaker99 14:25, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Most of the models are in agreement (Irene) will head across Haiti, eastern Cuba, and after that Florida. The million-dollar question is how strong will it get by then. If it fails to get past a minor TS in strength, then it will just pass through the high mountains in Haiti and die like Emily did. If it gets to 100 mph or stronger before it reaches Haiti, it will probrably be too strong to take down. And HM99, I think we all thought Tomas of last year would kill hundreds of people in Haiti, but in the end Tomas only killed a measly 41 people. In comparison to Hanna and Gordon, they got pretty lucky from him. Ryan1000 14:40, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * The thing is, though, Tomas was only a Cat 1 when it was near Haiti, and it didn't even make landfall there. It was a best-case scenario. What if a Cat 3 strikes Haiti dead-on, just south or southwest of Port-au-Prince? --HurricaneMaker99 14:52, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you were one of those 41 people/their family I wouldn't think that would be too measly. Also remember that the NHC has Tomas making landfall as a category 3 storm..not a 1 like he actually did. Yqt1001 14:53, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Go ask Hanna and Gordon how they did in Haiti then. Gordon only brushed by Haiti as a tropical storm, and it still killed over 1,000 people from deadly flooding and mudslides. Hanna was a similar storm. It became a hurricane as it neared Haiti but it weakened to a TS as it brushed the northern part of the country and killed over 500 people. (Irene) would have to work like crazy to hit them as a major hurricane; it only has, say 3 or 4 days until it will hit them. Also, Haiti's track record for retirement is just horrible, given that they didn't retire either Hanna or Gordon, they probrably won't retire anything, or hardly anything. The only two names they could have retired in the history of our 75 retirees in history were Flora and Jeanne, but given they were severe in other places(Cuba, the DR and Florida, respectively), I don't want to use them for their track record, since they didn't hit only Haiti. Inez of 1966 could have been retired by them too but it devastated Tampico, Mexico and other areas of Mexico and the Caribbean rather than just Haiti. Anyways, Haiti isn't the only country in (Irene's) gunsights. Besides, we don't want to see that, deadly hurricanes are BAD things. As I mentioned, it hurts you to see hundreds of innocent people get killed from hurricanes, but fortunately the death toll from hurricanes is dropping in undeveloped countries in the world, but it still remains unfortunately high in certain places... Sidr hit Bangladesh in 2007 and killed over 3,400 people, but it was a fortunate reduction from the hundreds of thousands of people that perished in 1991 and 1970. Stay tuned. If you want to see my latest blog post about (Irene), go here. Ryan1000 15:56, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * And now it is at 90%. Keep in mind 97L is a huge wave...about as big as Quebec or something. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 20:56, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Montana, maybe, but this thing could easily fit into Quebec. --HurricaneMaker99 21:24, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Another HWRF prediction, another major hurricane headed for the U.S. HWRF may actually gain some notoriety (or honor, if they are right, you never know) for creating some big whooper models. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:43, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Irene
Recon found winds of 45 kns (50 mph). We have our ninth storm already. Up on ATCF :| Darren 23 Edits 22:52, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * And it appears to be strenghtening to.Allanjeffs 23:11, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh, we don't need the no joke part. And the latest official forecast calls for Irene to become a minimal hurricane as it approaches Haiti and then possibly affects Florida as a TS. However, if it fails to intensify enough, it may die out after making landfall there just like Emily did earlier this year. It all depends on how fast it strengthens IMO. It's heading west pretty fast, at 22 mph, but it will need to get it's act together pretty fast for it to hit as a powerful storm. For the record, 2005 had 5 storms form in August. Thus far we have also had a 5-storm August. If we can get 3 more storms in this month, we will already be jumping up to 2005's pace. However, most of our storms have been short-lived and weak; heck, the first 8 storms of this season didn't become hurricanes, the longest known streak recorded. The EPac also did this in 2003. Perhaps Irene can end that streak. If we can get Lee before August 28, we will start setting records for earliest storm formation. Ryan1000 23:34, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * And speaking of rapid storm formation, Irene is the third earliest date for a seasons' ninth storm. Only Hurricane Irene of 2005 and Tropical Storm Nine of 1936 formed earlier. Hurricane Andrew (444) 00:58, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * According to Ryan we tie 1936...anyways. The NHC is really unsure about the long term forecast for this, stating that nearly anything can happen after 3 days. Yqt1001 01:01, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Its true we tie 1936 for the nine storm Allanjeffs 01:04, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * When 3 models show a major hurricane (2 of them over Florida), I think the models see something going on... Thing is, 2 of them (the 2 that go to Florida) show the storm strengthening over Cuba, and the one that brings it to category 5 shows it going through the Caribbean...These models started with the HH data, and the 3 all show a hurricane in 12-24 hours. Yqt1001 01:21, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Haiti still remains the core of most of the models though, and this storm will have to develop very fast because it only has 2 or 3 days until it will arrive in Hispaniola, and you know how Emily felt after she struck them earlier in this month. She basically died out. Could the same Happen to Irene? We'll have to wait and see. NOGAPS is the only big computer model I see that doesn't take it onto or near Haiti, but rather near the northern DR and then onto Savannah, Georgia far down the road. GFDL takes it south of Haiti, into Jamaica, and then becoming a monster cat 5 in the western Caribbean sea/GOM about 5 days from now. SHIPS takes Irene to 105 mph in two days, but down to 70 mph in 5 days. How strong Irene becomes will determine its destiny as it rolls across the Caribbean. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 01:25, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * The LLC has been "swallowed" under the COC way faster than the NHC and the models predicted..strengthening should happen here on in. Because the center has been pushed up, the models should also start pushing up too..up to the ridge, which will steer Irene onto every island from where she is now to Cuba, then up to Florida without making landfall on all the islands but Cuba and some of the Lesser Antilles. At least thats what the 0z GFS shows, which is what I fully agree with. Yqt1001 04:06, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * The more it interacts with land, the more it will weaken on the way. If Irene can head far enough west then the worst-case scenario is it will miss Hispaniola to the south, Jamacia to the north, and then explode before buzz sawing across Cuba and Florida as a very powerful major hurricane like Dennis and Charley did. If it hits Haiti, it will get knocked down hard. As I mentioned with Emily earlier this year, Hispaniola is not a happy place for hurricanes. Still, stay tuned. This storm is rapidly unfolding as it heads into and across the Caribbean. Ryan1000 04:26, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * The situation is very unknown atm..here's a good quote from the official NHC forecast showing the uncertainty today. "IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT THE MODELS THAT SHOW LESS LAND INTERACTION...SUCH AS THE GFDL OR HWRF...HAVE IRENE BECOMING A MAJOR HURRICANE...AND THAT IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION ESPECIALLY IF THE STORM MOVES ON THE FAR LEFT OR RIGHT SIDE OF THE FORECAST CONE AND AVOIDS SIGNIFICANT LAND INTERACTION. OVERALL...GIVEN THE TRACK FORECAST UNCERTAINTY AND THE POTENTIAL FOR LAND INTERACTION...THE INTENSITY FORECAST LATE IN THE PERIOD IS EVEN MORE UNCERTAIN THAN USUAL." Yqt1001 04:45, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * This little bitch is reminding me of late-season pests like Paloma and Omar. When they are in the right conditions, they take advantage of them as much as possible. If this thing heads further westward due to it's rapid forward motion, the folks in Jamacia, the Caymans, and Cuba better hope it doesn't strengthen as much or Irene will kick the living sh!t out of them. This thing definitely bears watching. Stay tuned everyone. This could get ugly. Ryan1000 05:08, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * NHC confirms the center relocation at the 2am advisory. Winds left at 50mph, recon might go in and find a strong TS tomorrow.. Yqt1001 05:52, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

They're still keeping it on that collision course with Hispaniola though, and it's now forecast to be 85 mph when it arrives at Haiti in about two days. However, it cannot be ruled out it could go beyond that, given it's well-organized structure and the favorable conditions ahead of it. Ryan1000 06:03, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Irene will cause more damage than Emily if she's a hurricane. BTW, I've made a blog post regarding my own forecast track. Hurricane Andrew (444) 13:26, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * This thing's starting to unfold pretty quickly, but I wonder how its trip to Hispaniola will turn out to be. Hopefully not the best one, we don't want a catastrophic storm to devastate us here in the states, but we don't want it to be deadly there either. Ryan1000 17:08, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not usually one to quote a blog, but this guy correctly forecasted Arlene, Don, Emily and Gert so I'll let him have his fame and show you guys what he thinks on Irene.. It is a wait and see with what happens, BUT what he said about the center being pushed north to the mid level circulation was just confirmed by the recon. It's starting folks, the tropical storm streak is likely to come to an end shortly! Yqt1001 17:30, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * The NHC still keeps Irene at 50 mph though, and what he said was Irene could scrape northern Hispaniola and hit Puerto Rico, later heading towards the east coast if it continues to shift northward. However, it will still take a beating from the mountains there and if it keeps on going at the westerly pace where it is now, it will end up crossing the entire island of Hispaniola, most signifigantly impacting the DR. Irene needs to change course fast or it will likely end up dying over the island, if not barely being a depression when it's through with them. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 17:41, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Pressure down to 999mb..confirmation that it is stacked..all it needs is deep convection at the core and it's a hurricane..PR will only hamper that a bit, this thing is set. :/ Ryan, the path that Irene will take is still up to debate, but I agree with him, and I have since the center relocated norht the 2nd time. Yqt1001 17:45, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * But I also agree with the NHC, there isn't a single part of hispaniola that isn't in the path of this thing. If it takes the northern end of the path, it iwill chip the northern end of PR and miss Hispaniola to the north. It will parallell southern Hispaniola if it takes the southern end of the path, but if it takes the center(where most of the models are predicting), it will cross the entire island and could die out from interaction with the high mountains. But it's still a bit too soon to tell. Ryan1000 17:53, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's Puerto Rico radar Irene has an eyewall, but the north part is fragmented. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:21, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Irene is actually moving SW or WSW based on radar obs. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:59, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was noticing that, I'm not sure why it would be? Supportstorm 23:10, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * 8PM update: Winds up to 60mph, presssure down to 995mb. Direction is still WNW. Slowing down to 15mph. Yqt1001 23:55, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

It's heading much further north than it was anticipated to, but rescently it turned straight west. It will likely head towards southern Puerto Rico, but it's trying it's hardest to not hit Hispaniola. Chances are that will not happen; it can't fight the atmospheric conditions around it for long enough. I'm still expecting it to hit the eastern tip of the DR and cross Hispaniola from there, it's now heading just south of Puerto Rico, or could make landfall on southern Puerto Rico and will then hit Hispaniola. I highly doubt it will head on the northern part of Puerto Rico and miss Hispaniola to the north. That just can't happen; the Bermuda high is in it's way of that. If it can head west far enough like it rescently did now, it will cross all of Hispaniola and die. Irene is trying her hardest not to do that. Stay tuned on what's happening here. Ryan1000 02:02, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * 75mph surface winds found by recon..now NHC will only have to confirm that the first hurricane of the year formed. It really is just a wait and see situation for now. Also, I still think Irene is going WNW, but we'll see what the NHC says at 11pm EST. Yqt1001 02:25, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * We also have newly-formed 14W in WPac, and a different storm named Mina by PAGASA also in WPac. However, Irene really is the big story out there, and we must keep our eyes out, more importantly the folks in DR. Ryan1000 02:52, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * NHC leaves it at 70mph, probably to confirm the convection sustains itself. Still going WNW and pressure down to 993mb. Track shifts more northward..following the path I was thinking. Yqt1001 02:55, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * It tried. It looks like it'll make landfall in Puerto Rico in, say 6-9 hours, then cross the DR and Cuba or the Bahamas. And Harvey stays a TD; it could still reintensify into a TS. Most of the models agree on Irene making landfall in Hispaniola, with only UKMET taking it south of Hispaniola and Cuba and then into the GOM as a monster storm. GFDL is more what i'm thinking, taking it across most of Hispaniola nad northern Cuba before entering the GOM as a poweful storm. GFS, NGFDL, and HWRF all take it into South Carolina 4-5 days down the road. Only NOGAPS takes it as far as North Carolina. Whether or not Irene hits Hispaniola, or hw long it does hit them, will determine it's future relationship in the U.S. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 02:59, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think this still might have a chance at a hurricane before PR..so I'll be up until 2am tonight to see what will happen for sure. This storm is a wait and see storm for sure, full of surprises. Yqt1001 03:15, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

See my latest blog post for more information. I think it may have a chance to hit 75 or 80 mph when it reaches them, but it's just about to move onshore. Keep your eyes out. She just has so many options open to her. Ryan1000 03:19, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * And Irene failed to become a hurricane before PR landfall, so now we can only wait and see how she emerges off of PR. Yqt1001 05:07, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hurricane Irene
You all spoke too soon! Hurricane Andrew (444) 12:08, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now at 80mph I think she will be our first nominate for retirement of this hurricane season. Allanjeffs 13:10, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * OMG! I was not expecting to wake up to an 80mph storm today! I mean, did this thing strengthen over PR!?! It looks like it is nearly on the coast still! Anyways, congrats Irene on becoming t he first hurricane of the year! I don't know how she did it, but she did it. She's full of surprises this storm... Yqt1001 13:32, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * She strenghed over Puerto Rico. Allanjeffs 13:40, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bah, that's what I figured. I knew I shouldn't have gone to bed last night. Anyways, current forecast predicts a strong category 2 landfall on the US. Presonally, if Irene stays as strong as the NHC predicts over Hispaniola, there will be the first major hurricane landfall in 6 years on the US. Yqt1001 13:45, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * And also the first east coast landfalling hurricane period since Katrina, and the first east coast landfalling major hurricane since Fran (unless you count Bonnie '98). --HurricaneMaker99 14:12, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, Jeanne in 2004 was the last landfalling east coast major, unless you mean most recent North Carolina major hurricane landfall. Hurricane Andrew (444) 14:35, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Yep, forgot about Jeanne, dunno how that happened. Still, it could be the first east coast MH landfall outside of Florida since Fran/Bonnie. --HurricaneMaker99 14:40, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Yep, forgot about Jeanne, dunno how that happened. Still, it could be the first east coast MH landfall outside of Florida since Fran/Bonnie. --HurricaneMaker99 14:40, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Now forecast to be a Cat 3 upon landfall in SC. --HurricaneMaker99 15:06, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I spy with my little eye, a cloud-filled eye: --HurricaneMaker99 17:01, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I also spy dry air, which will cause some immediate problems in the short term. In addition with land interaction this shouldn't explode in front of our eyes until tomorrow. :| Bah, this is looking very bad. The hurricane season has arrived everyone. Yqt1001 17:06, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think Irene will be a Re-Hugo or re Gracie, but it is starting to remind me of 1893... This could be the first big storm of the season. Currently forecast to hit 115 mph in Charelston, SC. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 18:21, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow what a night. I sleep and then come home from school and find Irene coming from tropical storm to a predicted major on the EAST COAST. Get ready for the first major evacuation from anywhere in months. But damn the hurricane wind field is puny, like the size of Houston or Indianapolis. The highest chance for a category 4 is so far 4%, that number may rise or drop soon. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:34, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Update statement issued by NHC, Irene upgraded to Cat 2. 85 kts, 981 mbar. --HurricaneMaker99 00:02, August 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * So Irene is now with 100mph I think she is rapidly intensifying. Allanjeffs 00:09, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * And with the update my forecast is obsolete in a matter of minutes. Lets see if Irene bombs. If so, I set my max intensity (right now) at 150-165 mph. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:16, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Damn category 2 already, with land interaction and some dry air. This thing is a fighter and is pretty much blowing up even with relatively unfavourable conditions. >.< US better watch out, this storm is worse than I thought. Yqt1001 00:18, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * New wind speed predictions are up, 125mph peak. 110mph at landfall. Yqt1001 00:32, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Weather Channel's saying this could be worse than Isabel; or in other words, on par with Hugo and Hazel 8-{ --HurricaneMaker99 02:37, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now forecast to peak as a Category 4. Forecast landfall location shifted to NC/SC border. --HurricaneMaker99 03:10, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoa this thing's taking off. Now it's forecast to peak at 135 mph but if she can keep up the pace she's going at, I wouldn't be surprised if Irene even has an outside shot at C5. This storm has now missed northern Hispaniola and now it's expected to make landfall in NC as at least 115 mph. This could be the first big storm for them since Isabel. Floyd and Fran also hit them pretty good beforehand as well. It's like "I" names are cursed... We've had Iris, Isidore, Isabel, Ivan, Ike, and Igor all retired in the space of 10 years. Could Irene do that as well? We shall see about that. Of all the big computer models, only NGDFL and NOGAPS take Irene out to sea, GFDL takes it onto the area by Cape Canaveral, HWRF and UKMET take it into SC, and GFS takes Irene onto NC and rocketing onto Long Island and the rest of New England in the long run. It's hard to predict where she will go because the models take it anywhere from the east coast of Florida to missing the east coast altogether. This is what I don't like about hurricanes on the eastern seaboard. They can hit just about anywhere, with no telling if it will change course or not. Ryan1000 03:23, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I've been MIA. I moved into a new apartment over the weekend and only just got the cable and internet hooked up this afternoon. I had a feeling very early on that this one was going to be trouble. The thing that surprised me was that it jumped this far north this quickly. For a while, it looked like it was going to run itself over the islands. I tell you, this morning's forecast scared the crap out of me. This thing exploded into a hurricane overnight and when I woke up, the forecast had it passing right over my family's condo on St. Simons Island as nearly a major hurricane. Fortunately it's shifted north since then, but even though the models have been trending eastward and northward, I still think this is going to be a big problem for somebody. Anybody living between Savannah, GA and Morehead City, NC needs to be really concerned at this point. Storms that move parallell to the coast are particularly tricky because just a small deviation east or west can drastically change the outcome. Hundreds of miles of coast could be looking at a direct hit from this thing and there may not be much warning. The dynamical models (GFDL, HWRF, etc) have Irene moving much further west. The GFDL brings it in over West Palm Beach as a Cat. 4 while the HWRF rakes the coasts of GA and SC as a Cat. 2 with a probable landfall near Beaufort. The global models on the otherhand have more easterly tracks. The GFS takes it over Cape Fear and eventually over Queens (yes Queens, NY) as a substantial system. The 12Z ECMWF follows the NHC forecast almost exactly and also implies a possible threat to NYC. This could be exhilarating. -- SkyFury 05:06, August 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's already starting to make some news, but the track is still unceretain. The cold front off the east coast could still push Irene out to sea, but it is also possible that won't happen, and that will happen if Irene is forced westward far enough by the Bermuda High. I think that it could miss the east coast, but it could end up everywhere from Cape Canaveral to Cape Hatteras, or if it can make it far enough north, *gulp*, New England? This thing has devastation written all over it. The big question is where. I have no idea what this storm could do, but I don't like this one bit. It could be the worst U.S. hurricane in years. Stay tuned everyone. This could get real ugly really fast. Ryan1000 15:41, August 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Irene probably could even be a Category 4 hurricane at landfall, if it's really bad. At this rate, Irene could be worse than Ike (in terms of damage). Also, the "I" hurricane curse continues, (every season's "I" named storm since 1989 except 2007 has reached hurricane status). Hurricane Andrew (444) 20:12, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Irene now 90 mph, weaker by 10 mph, but still strong. THe NHC is now looking for a North Carolina skid (like what Gabrielle 2007 did) and a landfall on south New Jersey as a 85 mph category 1. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:24, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * NHC expects this weakening to last less than 12 hours, with the peak of Irene still expected to be 125mph. Yqt1001 21:54, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, and although Inez and Ione were the only two "I" retirees before Iris of 2001, since then, we have had 6 "I" retirees. Iris, Isidore, Isabel, and Ivan 4 straight years in a row, and the replacements of Isidore and Ivan, Ike and Igor, were also retired. I think a new adage I could make should be beware storms with "I" names... The end of the forecast period takes it rolling right past the east coast right into New Jersey as an 85 mph storm. If that forecast holds, Irene could be a repeat of the 1893 NYC hurricane, or worse... Keep your eyes out for this storm. Although it weakened, it's likely only going to be temporary and it will continue to strengthen, likely to become a major hurricane in the next few days, and due to it's rapid forward motion as it approaches New England, it could be a 100 mph C2 when it hits. This storm is not to be taken lightly, but it certainly is waking up the eastern seaboard, I hope. I have made yet another blog post about Irene as it targets the east coast. It definitely is making the news. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 22:18, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Pressure down to 969mb. Winds still 90mph, I think the NHC will find the winds WAAAY stronger when one of the recon planes gets in there. Yqt1001 00:00, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...And the eye comes back into view after being clouded over for 4-5 hours today. Here we go again! 99.58.60.158 01:21, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * First the drastic pressure drop, and now the eye is becoming crystal clear on IR imagery... I'm almost afraid to see what news the 11pm advisory will bring. --HurricaneMaker99 02:13, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eyewall has closed off, dry air still bugging her a bit, but strengthening should start now. But I swear this thing is a MH. The convection is firing around in a circle around the eye, pressures are low enough and this is by far the best looking category 1 storm I have ever seen. Not to mention one of the category 1 storms with the lowest pressure I have ever seen. Yqt1001 04:51, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Still 90 mph, unbelievably. 969 is a crazy pressure drop. This thing seems primed for strengthening. The satellite presentation has greatly improved. I agree with the NHC in that I don't think the upper level winds are conducive enough for rapid intensification, but it would not surprise me if it reached Category 4 strength, though I don't think it will hit anything at that intensity. And while a Category 3 at Morehead City or Cape Hatteras won't be any fun, it's definately not as bad as one at Myrtle Beach or Oak Island. I'm growing increasingly concerned about the threat to New England. The current Day 5 forecast point takes it right over Nassau County, NY as a 75 knot hurricane, just 20 miles SE of Manhattan. That's too close. The GFDN is currently the only model that takes it directly over NYC. It takes it into Gravesend Bay and into Brooklyn. The GFS has it crossing Long Island very near where Gloria made landfall in 1985 and takes it right over downtown Boston. Given the eastward trend in the model forecasts, I think the GFS scenario is more likely and that Irene probably will not seriously threaten NYC. I also don't think it will that strong when it hits Long Island, not more than 80 knots. This storm could wind up being very similar to Gloria from both a track and impact standpoint. And don't worry Bostonites, even if it does pass over you, I seriously doubt it will still be a hurricane at that point. It may not even be tropical anymore. All this said, Irene still poses a very serious threat to eastern North Carolina. -- SkyFury 05:07, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Here we go, restrengthened into a category 2 storm. 100mph winds. 966mb pressure.. Yqt1001 06:16, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Major Hurricane Irene
Here we go. 100 kts, 957 mbar per the latest interim advisory. --HurricaneMaker99 12:02, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's forecast to peak at 125 mph, but given the sattelite imagery on Irene, I wouldn't be surprised if it can jump to ~140 mph as it slowly heads WNW. The latest forecast still calls for Irene to hit only as a category 1 near providence, RI, but if it can get stronger latrer today, that forecast could easily change. Ryan1000 12:18, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I see winds are starting to catch up to pressure. Pressure has actually gone up since last night though. Yqt1001 13:50, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Irene could be undergoing an ERC, but it is expected to gain more steam through later today and it has a good chance to hit New England as a C2 at least, especially if she hits a 135-140 mph C4 later today. Ryan1000 13:57, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now it's forecast to maintain 80 mph winds INTO MAINE. That's it, this isn't fun anymore, now this is downright scary. --HurricaneMaker99 15:00, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * For the record, if Irene was brought hurricane force winds into Maine, it would be only the seventh time EVER that happened (the 1869 Saxby Gale, Hurricane Carol (1953), Hurricane Edna (1954), Hurricane Donna (1960), Hurricane Gerda (1969), and Hurricane Gloria (1985) were the other six to do that). Also, at this rate, Irene could be the first Category 4 U.S. strike since Charley in 2004. Hurricane Andrew (444) 15:21, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * For the record, if Irene was brought hurricane force winds into Maine, it would be only the seventh time EVER that happened (the 1869 Saxby Gale, Hurricane Carol (1953), Hurricane Edna (1954), Hurricane Donna (1960), Hurricane Gerda (1969), and Hurricane Gloria (1985) were the other six to do that). Also, at this rate, Irene could be the first Category 4 U.S. strike since Charley in 2004. Hurricane Andrew (444) 15:21, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * For the record, if Irene was brought hurricane force winds into Maine, it would be only the seventh time EVER that happened (the 1869 Saxby Gale, Hurricane Carol (1953), Hurricane Edna (1954), Hurricane Donna (1960), Hurricane Gerda (1969), and Hurricane Gloria (1985) were the other six to do that). Also, at this rate, Irene could be the first Category 4 U.S. strike since Charley in 2004. Hurricane Andrew (444) 15:21, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

An 80 mph hurricane isn't a very strong one though; normally hurricanes with 100 mph or higher winds do signifigant damage from storm surge, ect. Weaker hurricanes do damage from heavy rains and flooding. Rainfall will be a less signifigant impact from Irene because it's going to be moving very fast when it hits New England. The latest NHC forecast leaves Irene at 115 mph, but pressure dropped a milibar and it's heading NW at 12 mph. It has a descent shot at further strengthening, but how strong it can get today and tomorrow will determine how bad it will be for New England down the road. Ryan1000 15:16, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * It'll still be the worst storm I've ever seen, though. (Sorry for sounding like such a n00b; this is my first 'cane.)
 * On the lighter side, did you know that the name Irene has its roots in the Greek word for "peace"? --HurricaneMaker99 15:39, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * 120mph winds now. Pressure down to 954mb. Yqt1001 17:58, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now it's forecast to be a C4 by later tonight/tomorrow. However, Irene is expected to only nick at the outer banks as a MH and then head into New England, particularly The eastern end of Long Island and then in Rhode Island, by then possibly as a 100 mph storm. This storm looks like it will be a re-Bob or perhaps a re-Carol of 1954. It's heading much farther east than the 1938 storm did or Gloria of 1985, but it will likely end up farther west than Edna and the 1869 Saxby Gale storm. A lot of the models still do turn Irene off the east coast, but 60 miles can make the difference between life and death, especially with these "nor-easter" 'canes. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 21:56, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Think about it. Irene is forecast to be a 115 mph category 3 once it nears North Carolina. If it does bring major hurricane force winds to the state, it will the first one to do so in 15 years, the last being Fran of 1996. And look what Irene is expected to be near Long Island: a 100 mph category 2. This will be the first time in 21 years since Bill of 1990 that a category 2 storm has affected New York/Long Island. And by then, Irene will be HUGE. Irene is already big now. Oh, and Irene temporarilly lost an eye. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:06, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Uh, Bob of 1991 you mean. It is still forecast to gain steam as it heads northward, and CobraStrike, Fran hit the heart of North Carolina as a category 3 hurricane and caused not only a massive storm surge damage, but further inland flooding as well, only about two months after Bertha. Irene is only forecast to clip the Outer Banks as a minimal major hurricane. Emily of 1993 only clipped by the Outer Banks as a 115 mph major hurricane, and it did very little damage. What i'm more concerned about is what it will do to New England... If it clips the Outer Banks of NC and does nothing else, then damage will be minimized. Emily of '93 did just that. New England is what i'm worried about, not NC so much. Yes there likely will be heavy rain and destruction there on Cape Hatteras, but it won't be as bad as it will(or could) be for the folks up in the northeast. Ryan1000 00:01, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think Irene is going through an EWRC. Yqt1001 01:27, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like the northeastern part of the eyewall is starting to erode, but it may quickly get it's act together and intensify into a C4 tomorrow. Either Irene is getting a taste of that shear or it's succumbing to dry air. That's what's weakening it's northeastern quadrant, not an EWRC. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 01:35, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * While it may not be undergoing EWRC, the people on Wunderground certainly think it is, but yes. The northeast eyewall is eroding a bit. I do spy concentric banding though, and its main act is not here yet. Anyways, NHC hunters found extrapolated pressures of 950.8mbar.
 * Irene's northeast quadrant has now rebuilt, and now it looks like it's undergoing an EWRC, it looks like a larger circulation will overrun it's smaller inner core, which may hinder it from strengthening as it will expand in size, but it will also weaken slower as it heads towards eastern Long Island and Rhode Island, which spells bad news for the folks down there. Stay tuned for more info. Ryan1000 03:15, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Pressure still dropping, now 952mb. Recon is finding stronger flight level winds on the outer eyewall rather than the inner, pretty much confirming the EWRC. I still think this storm can reach category 4 strength, however as it grows it is going to take more time for it to spin up..pretty much completely ruling out category 5 winds. Yqt1001 03:25, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

The southern end of that cold front is still shearing parts of Irene though, and it has a chance to peak where it is now or hit 135 mph briefly, but not too much stronger, i'm thinking. It will slowly move towards the northwest today, during which Irene has her last oppurtunity at C4 strength, by tomorrow it will rocket past North Carolina's Outer Banks(latest NHC forecast calls for a 105 mph landfall on Cape Hatteras), and by Saturday I can see a landfall from this thing at the eastern Long Island/Rhode Island area, possibly still as a 100 mph storm. The threat from Irene cannot be ruled out, but anything past 135 mph seems unlikely as of yet. Still, stay tuned. Ryan1000 04:18, August 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Winds dropped to 115mph, pressure down to 950mb. Second time winds have gone down and pressure has gone down. Last time this happened Irene jumped from a category 1 storm to a category 3 storm in 2 advisories. Will she jump to category 4? Maybe.

ERCs are tricky things. It's almost like Tommy John surgery for a pitcher. He can come back and pitch better than ever or he might struggle to regain his prior form. It's the same with hurricanes and ERCs: they can come back like gangbusters or never restrengthen at all (Opal is a good example of the latter). Despite the fact that shear has increased a little, I don't think the latter will be the case with Irene. Pressures have actually fallen rather than risen. The near term threat hasn't changed. The Outer Banks are still looking at a major hurricane, which could get really ugly, especially if that storm surge gets into those interior bays. I fear North Carolina may be looking at a repeat of the severe and widespread coastal flooding they saw with Isabel in 2003, possibly worse. As bad as it looks for NC, I'm more concerned about the northeast. The latest model runs are scary. A few of the most respected models (GFS, ECMWF and HWRF) have all shifted markedly west. The GFS now takes it over New Jersey, driving the worst of the storm surge right into New York harbor. It drives the right-front eyewall right over Manhattan Island, though the hurricane has to pass over much more land in this scenario before it gets to New York. This sudden shift makes me really nervous. And I'm hearing very grave language from a lot of experienced forecasters. Dave Bernard, meteorologist for CBS News Miami, said there are really two scenarios with Irene: bad and worse. That's not good. These are very densely populated coast areas being targeted here. And equally scary is how few people in the northeast are taking this seriously. Another thing to point out is that the northeast has been heavily saturated by rain over the past couple of weeks, making it very susceptible to flooding. This is really scary folks. I think it may be about time to start praying. -- SkyFury 07:50, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm a bit surprised the models have shifted west since last night, Irene is starting to curve as it approaches the trough, and it's heading NNW now, which will soon be north and then NNE. Either Irene shifted farther west than anticipated last night or it will beat the front sooner than we thought. And i'm further surprised it's winds are still falling, despite the pressure falling as well. The latest forecast takes her back up to 125 mph and then hitting NC as a major hurricane, and far down the road, it could pass dangerously close to the folks in NYC... The last major hurricane to directly impact New York City was the 1821 Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane, which hit central North Carolina as a powerful storm and remained a 115 mph C3 when it passed over NYC from the south. The thing is back in 1821, NYC was nothing compared to what they are today. Furthermore, the most rescent hurricane to directly hit them from the south was the 1893 hurricane, but it only hit them as an 85 mph C1. Since then, nothing, but they have had lots of very close calls. Although I think Irene will rebuild her structure, it has to happen later today or very early tomorrow. By tomorrow afternoon or Saturday morning, Irene will be heading onto the North Carolina coast, and by Saturday evening or on Sunday we could see her bearing down on the folks in New England as a ferocious 100 mph storm. And god forbid Irene will pass over NYC at that intensity. If Irene hits New England, I would prefer a landfall on Rhode Island or eastern Long Island(or miss them altogether) rather than take it over NYC. True it will be destructive if it hits there as a 100 mph storm but it will be a lot better than if it passes NYC as a 100 mph storm. Stay tuned. The people in New England need to leave NOW. Ryan1000 15:35, August 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Who think the name Irene will be retire by the damage it has cause until now? Allanjeffs 16:31, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * If Irene were to miraculously spare the east coast from any significant impacts, I'd give it a 50-65% chance of retirement, since it's already caused about ~$150 million in damages in the Caribbean, and it's still beating the crap out of the Bahamas as we speak. Up until now, I think the Bahamas are most likely to want Irene gone. HurricaneMaker99 17:27, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like the southern side of the eye wall has gotten really weakened..which might be holding back intensification for now. Once that fixes itself out..probably very quickly, I can still see a category 4 storm here. Yqt1001 16:53, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna agree with the NHC here; high-end Cat 3 sounds about right to me. Of course, if it could pull an Earl and avoid restrengthening altogether, that would be perfect. --HurricaneMaker99 17:27, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Bahamas have seen much worse than Irene though, the deadliest hurricane in their history was the 1926 Nasau Hurricane, which killed more than 250 people there. So IMO it's all up to the U.S. if Irene will really go, if it hits the east coast hard enough, but the Bahamas see hurricanes like Irene just about every 2-3 years. It's not that unusual, really. However, it is certainly nerve-wracking for the folks on the eastern seaboard. Ryan1000 18:12, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... Irene hasn't changed at all in intensity today(by that I mean top winds)... That being said, it might be weaker than a major hurricane when it ends up in North Carolina, but it can't be ruled out just yet. Keep your eyes out for her. She's far from over. I still stand by my forecast of a 100 mph landfall somewhere in southern New England. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 21:08, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Dry air got sucked into her southern core during the EWRC so until she repairs that she might not strengthen. Pressure is continuing to drop though. Recon found a pressure of 948mb! Yqt1001 21:21, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Irene has proven that she can fix her problems rapidly again. Radar shows the eyewall is almost complete and the dry air hole is gone and the outflow on the south is improving again. Should start strengthening soon and catch up to her low pressure. Yqt1001 21:42, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Irene is growing really big, possibility of 10 ft storm surge. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:30, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * The storm's strongest winds don't extend out too far, but the TS force winds are rivaling those of Floyd and Isabel, so lots of areas could be affected by this massive hurricane. If Irene can make it to C4 tomorrow, things could get ugly for the folks in NC and New England. Ryan1000 22:54, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been looking at the Morphed Integrated Microwave Imagery at CIMSS (MIMIC) for a while and it appears that the EWRC has ended and a new eyewall has taken over. Irene also looks better than it ever has and is developing a pinhole eye. Radar imagery from Miami indicates that the eye is closed. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:10, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * And now the pressure is now 944.5 per RBT. Get ready to intensify. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:22, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Gah, Irene's acting so weak... Latest advisory takes her still staying with those 115 mph winds as the pressure is now down to 946 hPa. And the direction still takes it NNW at 12kt/14 mph. Ryan1000 00:04, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well she's (or he's, whatever the NHC calls it) very big, so the wind doesn't reflect the pressure values as well. Remember Ike in 2008, with a pressure of 952 mbar but only winds of 110 mph. Anyways, I would expect the winds in Irene stronger. From the looks of satellite imagery it looks like Irene got a strong lefty that she/he can punch onto the coast. The pressure in the RBTs are now 943.7 mbar and STILL dropping... CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:13, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sub 940mb pressures found by recon...if they continue to drop at this rate I'm really going to question as to how the hell these winds aren't increasing. Also it's interesting to see at how much that dry air has nearly destroyed the NW banding, but yet pressure continues to drop rather quickly. Guess the dry air isn't being ingested into the core! Yqt1001 02:35, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Recon found 937 mb, still dropping. Really, Irene? Her western convection exploded despite recently encountering dry air. What's more, the storm still has to cross the Gulf Stream. Size expanding similar to Floyd, larger than Ike. 2007Astro'sHurricane 02:43, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, welcome back, Astro! And yes, for gods sake, if Irene will keep dropping her pressure over such a weak pressure gradient, then why not increase those winds, girl? For the record, If Irene doesn't reach category 4 despite that really low 942 mbar central pressure, it will be the third strongest Atlantic hurricane that didn't exceed C3 intensity, with the others being 1955's Ione(938 mbars), and 2002's Isidore(934 mbars). This storm may hang on to C3 or at least C2 intensity for a while as it passes up the eastern seaboard because Irene's pressure is so low. That's what i'm fearing for the folks in the northeast, particularly the residents on Long Island and perhaps Rhode Island. Also, it should be noted she's moving north now, so the folks in NYC might get off easier from this storm than otherwise anticipated. The Outer Banks of NC and the folks in south-central New England might not get off so easily though... Ryan1000 03:31, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Boy oh boy, this is really, really scary. The forecasts from the GFS and ECMWF read like something out of The Day After Tomorrow. The GFS continues to bring the right-front quadrant right over Manhattan, driving the worst of the storm surge into New York harbor as well as causing God knows how much flooding inland. The ECMWF brings a Cat. 2 Irene and a potentially devastating storm surge right up Chesapeake Bay, possibly flooding major cities like Baltimore, DC, and Annapolis. And this is in addition to whatever it does to North Carolina. Dear God man. And after looking somewhat disheveled earlier today, Irene finally looks like it's getting its act together. The storm looks much better organized and now we've had another significant pressure drop, which is concerning. I still refuse to rule out intensification to a Cat. 4, but given the size of this thing, it almost doesn't matter at this point. It keeps getting harder and harder to find a way that this could not suck. My dad said he's starting to get the same pit-in-the-stomach feeling he got watching Hurricane Katrina head for Louisiana and I'm starting to get that same feeling. Mayor Bloomberg is seriously considering evacuating "Zone A" of New York City (!!!). That's over 300,000 people. When was the last time any major part of NYC has been evacuated due to a hurricane? This is just surreal. -- SkyFury 03:38, August 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * 2am update, no wind increase. Im starting to doubt if Irene will be able to make it to 125mph even. The SW corner of the eyewall still isn't closed and doesn't seem to want to close. If it doesn't do that it might not get much stronger. though winds don't really make a difference at this point, this storm is massive. It has quite the surge and quite the rainfall. It's still looking very bad for the NEUS. In the end, Irene will still be remembered for breaking the streak of weak storms (which might be continued after Irene since Jose wont become more than a weak TS) despite any increase in strengthening. Yqt1001 05:52, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well this is just great, it looks like my last post got deleted somehow. Wonderful. This new page format is really pissing me off. It freezes, the formatting f***s up all the time and now it appears it likes deleting posts. What I said was the 12Z forecasts from the global models earlier today read like something out of The Day After Tomorrow. The GFS took the right-front quadrant right over Manhattan, causing God knows how much flooding inland as well. The ECMWF meanwhile took a Cat. 2 Irene and a potentially devastating storm surge right up Cheasapeake Bay, possibly flooding major cities such as Baltimore, Annapolis or even DC. That is terrifying. On the latest run, the models appear to have shifted east slightly. This may be in response to Irene's little eastward jog earlier today. Like I've said before, storms that parallel the coast are really tricky to forecast because just a slight deviation in the track can make all the difference in the world. While this latest shift may be good news for NYC, I'm not sure how much of a consolation it will be for North Carolina. And keep in mind, the models could shift back to the west just as easily. Boy I tell you those model forecasts earlier today were downright terrifying. Irene appears to be undergoing another ERC. The pinhole eye seen earlier on IR has vanished and latest radar and microwave imagery seem to show concentric eyewalls. This hurricane seems to be a volitile system. I'll be very interested to see what the next advisory says. -- SkyFury 07:46, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I recovered my deleted post and returned it to where it was below Ryan's last post, in case anyone would like to read it. -- SkyFury 08:04, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Everyone needs to get prepared on the East Coast, as this seems like a re-Floyd or re-Gloria. Irene also doesn't want to become a category 4. I have a feeing this will be a re-Ike. Hurricane Andrew (444) 13:28, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Everyone needs to get prepared on the East Coast, as this seems like a re-Floyd or re-Gloria. Irene also doesn't want to become a category 4. I have a feeing this will be a re-Ike. Hurricane Andrew (444) 13:28, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hurricane Irene (2nd time)
Okay, this is just weird... Irene powered down. Now it's at 110 mph and 945 mbars. That ruins the possibility of it being a major at NC, unless it recovers it's former self. I knew I could expect the unexpected, but was THIS the unexpected? Geez. I thought the unexpected would be leaving it at 115 mph for this advisory. Oh well... But, as mentioned earlier, this storm is so big that being a strong C2 or a weak C3 doesn't really make a difference, especially when storms are this f**king big(Ike). I can't find any possible scenario to Irene as to how it won't cause at least, say, 7 billion in damage. This could be one of the worst hurricanes to hit New England in a long time. I am pissed off as to why this has to happen this way, but all we can do now is wait. I am shivering as hurricane Irene approaches the eastern seaboard of the U.S. And it's out of fear, not anticipation. Ryan1000 14:16, August 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Latest advisory, now it's further down to 105 and 946. I thought it would strengthen, but I guess she's just expanding further for every mph she drpos. Unless she recovers intensity, she will probrably only be a C1 for the folks up in New England. Not to say that won't be bad for them, but it's certainly better than a C2. I still think Irene will become a C3 again later today, but it needs to do it very soon if it ever will again. Ryan1000 14:54, August 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Her eyewall collapsed, looks like she wont be able to further strengthen. This is still a serious storm for the people in the NEUS. The surge will only get bigger with her weakening. Looks like it will still be 6 years without a MH hit on the US, this is just another Ike really. (which is still bad) Yqt1001 15:48, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * We could still have a U.S. MH later this season, but Yqt, I can't really tell the difference between a 100 mph C2 and a minimal major hurricane. Ike of 2008 was the third costliest tropical cyclone ever, and the 5th deadliest U.S. hit since 1950. If those statistics don't qualify as a "major" hurricane landfall, what the hell does? I don't care if Irene is or isn't a major hurricane when it comes towards New England because due to her massive size, I can't see her weakening below 100 mph until after she makes landfall in southern New England. A hurricane this big won't leave much behind, regardless of how high the winds are, or at least 100 mph; Igor only passed by Bermuda as a very large C1 last year and it's winds and rain weren't that heavy for them even. If Irene can hold on to at least 100 mph as she passes up the east coast, I can see massive damage coming from her. We may go yet another year without "major" hurricanes, but I don't see the difference between a moderate/strong C2 and a weak C3 in terms of impacts. We should still keep our eyes out for her. Ryan1000 16:42, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the winds went down some, but as far as I'm concerned, all the eyewall collapse really did was expand the radius of hurricane force winds. Irene's just giving people an excuse to get stupid. And this thing is so massive that it will be resistant to external changes in intensity. Storms this big, while they strengthen more slowly, they also resist the corrosive forces of wind shear, dry air and cooler waters. They create their own weather pattern and move an incredible volume of water. Even Category 2s this size can generate large storm surges up to or exceeding 12 feet. And note that NYC lies at the vertex of a concave coast. That was the same situation in east Texas for Hurricane Ike, a similarly massive Category 2. And we saw what Ike did to that coastline. While I don't expect it to be quite that bad in NC or New England, this is still really scary. And there are going to be really high astronomical tides this weekend associated with the new moon. -- SkyFury 16:49, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * A category two hurricane with the surge potential of a category four at high tide is still incredibly dangerous. Even hurricanes like Isabel, Floyd and yes Gloria hit Cape Hatteras as a category two and did damage. In fact, North Carolina hasn't seen a cat. 3 landfall since Fran of 1996, and although the Cape Fear - Wilmington region has seen three major landfalls, the Cape Hatteras and Outer Banks region hasn't received a single major hurricane landfall since Hurricane San Ciriaco of 1899. 2007Astro'sHurricane 20:51, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Dry air from Georgia is really making an impact on Irene. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:11, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it will weaken much further below 100 mph before it makes that landfall in New England because she's so massive. This storm is giving the residents there a false sense of security, by weakening, it is raising their confidence, when it should be decreasing it due to it's massive size. It might be able to keep that 100 mph for quite some time as it heads northward, or at the very most weaken to an 85-90 mph C1 when it makes landfall. However, I cannot see any case in which this storm will not be bad. This could be one of the worst hurricanes to hit New England in a long time. The next two to three days will not be very pleasant for the folks in NC and New England, and it will be one of the most historic storms in their history. Ryan1000 21:48, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not much intensity changes, but the major difference is that Irene is powering to the NNE at 14 mph now. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:53, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ryan, yes I meant an official category 3 ladfall. Anyways looks like the eyewall is redeveloping, might be too late for it to regain its windspeed though. Yqt1001 00:47, August 27, 2011 (UTC)[[File:Hurricane_Irene_2011_and_Hurricane_Earl_2010_MHX_Long_Range_Base_Radar_Comparison.png|thumb|200px]]
 * I recently uploaded a comparison showing radar images of Earl and Irene of which you can view at right. Obviously the pictures don't match because of the different locations but I will be updating the image soon. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:57, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * You may be surprised at what I'm gonna say, but I'm really glad that Irene won't hit as a major. Why? Because I don't want strong storms bearing down and obileraiting cities and towns! We don't want a C3 - C5 demolishing villages! I would rather have Irene be a repeat of Humberto than a Gloria or a Ike. I know I can't stop this thing, but what I'm trying to say is that I would have Irene hit NYC as a C1 instead of a C2 or C3. But then, even if she is only a tropical storm at New England landfall, she'll have a big storm surge. I certainly believe those New Englanders are prepared, because this will have A LOAD of effects. The best thing I can do is pray that this hurricane won't be a realistic version of the "hypercane" in The Day After Tomorrow. And also keep in mind that NYC's seawall can only hold a storm surge of a Category 1, so if Irene is a C2, she'll top the seawall. Hurricane Andrew (444) 02:41, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, when I said "seawall", I meant "floodwall". Hurricane Andrew (444) 02:46, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course no one wants a major bearing down on anyone's property. But everyone has this little conscience on the back of their heads that keeps popping up saying that they want big storms and record seasons and sometimes even a lot of damage, not that I have one, but still. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 02:55, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

There were tropical storm force winds hitting the coast at dinner time, with the storm still 12 hours away, and 30 foot waves have been reported in South Carolina. And this is only a Cat. 2. That is scary. I shudder to think how different things would be if it was still a Cat. 3. It would be absolutely catastrophic. As it is, the Outer Banks are looking at a "double storm surge" with the initial surge from the ocean followed by a surge from the sound. That is a nasty double whammy. And the hurricane center is now officially forecasting Irene to still be a hurricane when it passes very near NYC. I still can't believe that this storm is effectively shutting down the largest city in the country. The city's entire mass transit system along with all the airports is shutting down. They're evacuating parts of lower Manhattan and Staten Island for Christ's sake. This is surreal. -- SkyFury 04:11, August 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, although I personally think the folks up there may be overexaggerating a bit, any time a hurricane heads towards the big apple, precautions must be taken, to some extent. Given that it will only be a C1 when it passes, it probrably won't hit them too hard... An 80 mph hurricane may be feisty for the folks in NYC, but not enough to devastate them. If the 1938 hurricane struck the city today it would be a whole new ball game. Irene may smack the eastern seaboard pretty good, but it won't be strong enough to cause catastrophic damage. I wouldn't be surprised if it does 4-5 billion in damage, but it won't do 12+ billon in damage or so. It just isn't strong enough to do that, even though it'll still be a hurricane, it won't be strong enough to do too much destruction, but certainly enough for retirement at this rate. The back side of Irene may deliver a big surge to NYC, but not enough to devastate them. The latest damage report from the Caribbean states it did 3.1 billion dollars in damage, but I still don't know if that's correct, since it's only preliminary. If it is correct, most of the damage must have come from flooding in Puerto Rico or the DR. It couldn't have all came from the Bahamas; they are so well-prepared for 'canes like Irene. The eastern seaboard may get a shellacking from this storm but it won't be as bad as some of the monstrous hurricanes they have seen there in the past. Ryan1000 05:42, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now cat 1 with 90 mph but with a remarkable pressure of 952 i think that a record correct me if i am wrong please Allanjeffs 07:13, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Allan, it's not unusual to have storms have lower pressures than usual storms of their strength during their weakening stages. The strongest category 1 hurricane(s) on record in the Atlantic(that is, didn't exceed C1 intensity), were hurricanes Abby and Gladys of 1968. They peaked at C1 intensity, but had pressures of 958 mbars. Although Hurricane Wilma of 2005 had the lowest pressure from any category 4 hurricane at one point after it weakened, it was a category 5 hurricane. Hurricane Opal of 1995 is the strongest hurricane in NAtl that didn't reach category 5 strength ever, as Isidore of 2002 being the strongest that never exceeded category 3 and Alex of last year as the strongest that never exceeded category 2. I assume there are quite a few storms in the past that have had lower than normal pressures during their weakening stages(Katrina was a cat 5, but when it hit Louisiana as a C3, it's pressure was 920 mbars), so Irene is no exeption from them with it's C1 pressure. However Allan, it should be noted Irene has the third lowest pressure from any storm that didn't exceed category 3, with the others being Ione of 1955(938) and Isidore(934), with a peak pressure of 942 mbars. Ryan1000 08:02, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ryan for taking your time to answer my question I really apprecited Allanjeffs 08:25, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Landfall in NC
Cape Lookout, to be precise; Category 1 with 85 mph winds and a pressure of 952 mbar. --HurricaneMaker99 12:01, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Man, 952 mbar!!! That's C3 pressure! Luckily, Irene wasn't as bad as I thought would be. And Irene has ended the longest streak between east coast ladfalling hurricanes ever (remember, Hurricane Katrina was the last one, discounting Hurricane Ophelia). Hurricane Andrew (444) 13:26, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * ...um what???? Darren 23 Edits 14:28, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * What, do you not like the seperate header, Darren? And Yqt, the threat for New England is not over yet, especially for the folks in New York City, so don't count out on her yet. She could still be quite destructive for them. Ryan1000 15:22, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not the header. It's the factual inaccuracy of the comment before mine. Darren 23 Edits 19:04, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Latest advisory, winds remain unchanged, but it's picking up forward speed, 15 mph to the NNE. This storm is covering a massive area. Rain is already being felt as far away as the nation's capital. NYC is still forecast to be passed over by Irene as a 75 mph hurricane. While that isn't strong, it still will leave a lot of damage behind. No not as much as a C2 or stronger direct strike but it will be destructive for the folks in NYC. Stay tuned as this hurricane unfolds. Ryan1000 16:56, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I never discounted her yet Ryan. If anything I think this could be pretty bad. Anyways, land friction is starting to get the storms winds mixed down too the surface. 90mph sustained winds have been recoreded on land and looks like land has caused Irene to get her eyewall complete finally. Yqt1001 17:29, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2PM update; Presure down to 950mb. Yqt1001 18:01, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * What the... no, Irene, no one asked you to pull a Fay! --HurricaneMaker99 18:10, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * She (or he) is not pulling off a Fay. Irene is actually right over the coast, moving from being over water to over the marshes of NC. Fay was more inland, relying on the warm waters on the mainland. And Erin of 2007, well, no one knows about what happened there. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 19:06, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * The new advisory coming out, Irene ready to burst back into the Atlantic. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:07, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Man, 950 mbar is really low for a C1. And Darren, what is so inaccurate about my post?Hurricane Andrew (444) 21:18, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 80mph winds now. Yqt1001 21:25, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Exiting the Currituck Sound and entering the Atlantic. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:42, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Strange. JTWC started tracking Irene and now-dead TD 10.Cyclone10 21:53, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Strange. JTWC started tracking Irene and now-dead TD 10.Cyclone10 21:53, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

This thing may not be catastrophic, but it will likely cause widespread destruction. And Darren, it is the longest streak ever known between any two east coast hurricanes, in 6 years and 3 days. Thats certainly exeptional, but this storm is not to be taken lightly as it rockets past the eastern seaboard and heads towards New England this evening and tomorrow morning. Ryan1000 21:58, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * New advisory keeps Irene's strength. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:02, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's still a hurricane, but how strong it stays when it heads towards NYC may make a huge difference in terms of damage. Keep your eyes out for this storm. Ryan1000 23:12, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Widespread NC power outages CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:44, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now skirting past Delmarva. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:13, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Quote from NHC Advisory 30B:
 * A STORM SURGE HEIGHT OF ABOUT 5 FEET HAS BEEN OBSERVED AT OREGON

INLET NORTH CAROLINA...AND A STORM SURGE HEIGHT OF ABOUT 4 FEET HAS OCCURRED THUS FAR AT THE MOUTH OF THE CHESAPEAKE BAY. THE PRELIMINARY WATER LEVEL AT THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BRIDGE TUNNEL HAS RECENTLY PEAKED NEAR THE RECORD LEVEL THAT WAS ESTABLISHED DURING HURRICANE ISABEL IN 2003.

What?!! That is incredible!!! Hurricane Andrew (444) 02:23, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

And Isabel was a category 2 at landfall. Anywho, looking at the Atlantic infrared photos, Irene's outflow extends all the way to Cuba. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 02:29, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

It's going to pass by NYC quite quickly as a 75 mph C1, so this storm could deliver a lot of impact and high winds, but it won't last very long because it's moving so quickly. Ryan1000 06:55, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Landfall in NJ
Well, Irene has made its second landfall near Little Egg Inlet, New Jersey. It will likely pass near the Big Apple, then enter New England. Hurricane Andrew (444) 12:26, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

First hurricane to make landfall in New Jersey since September 16, 1903. It's only the second one in recorded history. That's a helluva thing. -- SkyFury 23:08, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Irene (2nd time)
Hit NYC dead-on, but not before weakening to a tropical storm with 55kt winds. --HurricaneMaker99 13:10, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Pressure still below 970mb. I'm being affected by her rainbands and I'm in Northern Ontario. That is just insane. Yqt1001 15:03, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's starting to fall apart now, but it still has a chance to cause signifigant inland flash flooding in parts of New England until it moves further north to Atlantic Canada. Ryan1000 19:32, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Luckily, Irene will die by tomorrow morning, but she will long be remembered. Hurricane Andrew (444) 00:43, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Post-tropical cyclone Irene
She's down and out. Although Irene's gone, she certainly left her mark on the east coast, a 10 billion-dollar one at that. I think we have ourselves a retirement here. Ryan1000 05:52, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

I thought it was a nice gesture by NHC to thank all the hurricane hunters in their final advisory. These guys work their asses off around the clock gathering invaluable data on these storms. Their tireless work saves lives and too often goes unnoticed. I know this disaster is far from over and many parts of the country have a long road of recovery ahead of them, but those guys deserve a big tip of the cap...not to mention a 20 year old scotch on the rocks. -- SkyFury 06:31, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Guessing by the extreme number of flights into Irene, I think it makes it the hurricane with the most hurricane hunter flights (not most researched, Earl is). CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:22, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

98L.INVEST
Just got invested a short time ago... to early for model runs but this could follow 97L as a formidable hurricane threat to a huge part of the basin. Watch out, I've got a feeling we might approach 2010/1995 numbers at this rate. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 22:54, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * 30% !!!Amazing!!Allanjeffs 23:46, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hallelujah! 50% on the second day. This is a large system. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:29, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The models do not do much with this one. The GFDL and HWRF don't develop it at all and the global models don't make it any more than a tropical storm and dissipate it fairly quickly while keeping it out at sea. -- SkyFury 20:44, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

99L.INVEST
Aww sheesh, how many invests do we have to deal with? 98L is actually 2 invests! While 98L is ESE of Cape Verde, 97L is S of Cape Verde. Lets see what this invest combo does. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 20:01, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">Wait, what? What area are you talking about? There are no other disturbances. -- SkyFury 20:41, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * As far off as it seems, there is, southwest of 98L. I can't believe it. I have never, ever seen this type of activity since 2005. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 21:00, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Invest_99L_Aug_18_2011_1800z.jpg you don't believe me, I just uploaded a picture. See that swirl in the middle? That's 99L. 98L is the much larger, dominant wave east of Cape Verde. You can check with CIMSS too. This is....unbelievable. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:35, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * That town ain't big enough for the two of 'em. You put two hyenas in closet, one of them's gonna eat the other. I bet you dollars to donuts that we won't get two storms out of that. 98L is bigger, but 99L has stronger convection. Looks like the Atlantic's version of Friday Night Fights. Time for the main event! Ding ding. Somebody bring me some popcorn with extra butter! lol -- Sky'Fury '''04:15, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * 99L has be de-activated Yqt1001 16:20, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * The're apparently merging, and this thing is a fucking oval. It's so elongated in size, very unorganized, and it's moving into further unfavorable conditions down the road. It'll probrably be a fish, if it even does develop. Ryan1000 16:40, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

98L and 99L
Apparently there going to merge, so here is both of them in one section. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 16:57, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Is this a rare occurence, or is this common? Hurricane Andrew (444) 21:37, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard of a time two invests became one, but it likely has happened before, just not so often, especially at their given position. Ryan1000 23:39, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * All the way down to 20% as an elongated and cooled invest. The invest remnants may pose problems down the road, but probably not this guy. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:06, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * No way Jose. This invest fails... I wouldn't be surprised if it dies later today(August 21 UTC). Ryan1000 00:09, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now 10% and still moving NE...no chance. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:19, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm stunned this thing is even on the TWO... Ryan1000 02:11, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

20% now. Yqt1001 23:58, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Near 0% now. Yqt1001 06:16, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Up to 10%. Yqt1001 17:59, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Back up to 20%... little bugger's hanging on for dear life. --HurricaneMaker99 17:40, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * And back down to near 0%. Why do I think this is still going to cling to the TWO? --HurricaneMaker99 01:57, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * And cling it did not. --HurricaneMaker99 14:56, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

90L.INVEST
This just came off of Africa. At 20% atm, models are confused and take it in all directions but east and south. Yqt1001 14:49, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * 30% now Yqt1001 23:58, August 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Here we go..40%. Yqt1001 06:16, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Make that 50%. Ryan1000 12:18, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * The models available on Wunderground almost unanimously make this a hurricane, albiet a fishy and not a terribly strong one. HurricaneMaker99 13:03, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Last time all the models agreed on a hurricane, Irene showed up and went off course and is now a MH. :P Models suck this year, but I could see this becoming a hurricane nonetheless. Yqt1001 13:52, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * The big question about 90L is will it curve around the Bermuda High and miss land altogether, or will it tear apart the Caribbean/US coastline? it's way too soon to tell, but Irene certainly isn't looking so good for the folks up in New England... They will be feeling the worst effects from this storm this weekend, but I don't know how strong it will be when it hits them, if it hits them as a 100 mph hurricane or stronger, the're in deep shit. Ryan1000 14:20, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Up to 60% chance now. Yqt1001 17:58, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * 90L will have to deal with the outflow of Irene before it can get a chance to get going, but in the long run, this wave could spell big trouble for the folks in the Lesser Antillies. Keep your eyes out for this wave, but more on Irene now. Ryan1000 22:00, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Latest advisory, 70% now, but no changes with Irene. This could become Jose pretty easily, but how strong will it get? Irene stole all the warm waters north of the Caribbean, and the cold front recurving Irene into New England may later recurve this thing out to sea, if the Bermuda High doesn't. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 00:14, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * 90%. Looks like Jose/TD10 is coming soon. Yqt1001 05:49, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">Yup, looks like it. Pretty much all the models develop it, though they take it out to sea. But I'll be really surprised if this isn't Jose by tomorrow afternoon. -- SkyFury 07:54, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Depression 10
This year continues to spew out storms. Irene gets all the attention though. This is expected to be named Jose and then go away harmlessly..expected to peak as a strong TS. Another one... Yqt1001 11:50, August 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * This season is spitting out one epic fail after another... Irene may be getting all the attention, but Jose will be absolutely pathetic, just like Cindy and Franklin were, and to a lesser extent Bret and Gert, but they did impact land. Ryan1000 15:15, August 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't discount this storm yet. If it moves west rather than north this could become another Irene. Models aren't certain so this bears a bit of watching for now. Yqt1001 16:43, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * If this storm heads farther west and tries to follow Irene, it will run into her outflow and actually has a better chance of dying there. In the first several days after a hurricane passes through an area, the atmosphere is usually unfavorable. This is what happened to Tropical Storm Iris as it tried to follow Hugo of 1989, Frederic as it tried to follow David of 1979(but it eventually got into the GOM and did become a very bad storm for Alabama), just days behind it, Fiona of last year also died after it followed Earl, so the same will probrably happen with Jose as it follows up behind Irene. However, if two storms are in really close proxmitity to one another, like Ivan and Joan of 1997 PTS, the outflow of the former won't affect the latter. In the case of (Jose), it will probrably end up either following Irene and ending up dead by her outflow, or die as indicated by the NHC forecast. Ryan1000 17:38, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can see a hurricane coming out of this, but more like a weaker Julia than a Fabian or Irene. But then again, I and several others thought that Gert would become a 'cane, and she served to disappoint. God, it would have been so much less bittersweet if Gert or Harvey had been the first 'cane instead of Irene... --HurricaneMaker99 17:43, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * The conditions are not in favor of TD 10 developing signifigantly though. HM99, this storm is elongated, it is moving towards 98L, it will turn north into higher shear in response to an approaching mid-latitude trough. You can't ignore the facts; see the NHC's forecast discussion for more info. Yes conditions may change but they aren't forecast to 3-4 days down the road. Ryan1000 18:12, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Urgh, I take it back. This thing is just looking sad. It's almost like 10 has been an unlucky number for TD's as of late; the last time a TD 10 became anything significant was with Fabian in 2003, and the last time it became a hurricane was with Isaac in 2006. The TD 10's of 2004, 2005, and 2007 didn't even become named storms. I wouldn't be surprised if this one joins them. --HurricaneMaker99 12:17, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes Jose, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it just dies later today. This is the saddest excuse for a TD i've ever seen... This thing just fails. Also, the latest NHC forecast doesn't even take it to tropical storm strength. I didn't know they'd be so certain on it not becoming at least 40 mph... Ryan1000 14:50, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the meantime, see my forecast. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:19, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually I don't need a forecast. From the looks of it TD10 is dead. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:23, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Remnants of 10
And it dissipated without reaching Jose. Yqt1001 02:44, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">What an epic fail. Cyclone10 18:44, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * The remnants are back! 10% chance of development now. Yqt1001 14:17, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is pretty elongated, and all the convection is flaring up NE of center. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 14:21, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Remnants heading northeast. It doesn't have too much time to develop. Cyclone10 15:49, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

91L.INVEST
While all eyes are on Irene, I keep watch on the little things. This small, circulation area about an Irene away from Irene is the new area of storms after 98L died. Not on the TWO now, but as always, you have to include every invest, so here you go. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:19, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wunderground says it has winds of a TD 190.11.235.231 02:16, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * And it does. 35 mph winds with a pressure of 1014...but not a TD yet so hold on. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 02:20, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

It is now on the TWO, but at near 0%. It is well organized though, just limited showers. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 19:51, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 91L is winding down a bit by the winds, but it certainly still has organization during this diurnal minimum. Probably won't develop, but it still survives in the midst of Irene's powerful outflow. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:26, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Jose
Okay, I'm not sure if this is the right one, but one of these AOI's have become Jose. Hurricane Andrew (444) 12:33, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, and he's forecast to be an even bigger fail than Franklin. For Christ's sake NHC, why? He looks bloody awful! --HurricaneMaker99 12:39, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * At least this storm isn't frontal. Yqt1001 14:17, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I was asked which would become a tropical storm I would have not guessed Jose. Jose is expected to live for ONLY 24 hours, even shorter than the 30 presented by Frankfail. Jofail will be the next epic fail of the season. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 14:19, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * He's not that much of a fail. He developed in the face of 40kts of shear thanks to Irene. Thats pretty damn impressive. Yqt1001 14:21, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying he's a fish. While I agree that he's well organized, I don't really agree about the 'deep convection' part. On the Bermuda radar he's really not bringing anything. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 14:27, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * But it did bring TS warnings.Cyclone10 15:33, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Little rain given to Bermuda. Jose has a eyewall now.Cyclone10 18:39, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not an eyewall, that's an exposed COC, courtesy of intense wind shear. --HurricaneMaker99 19:38, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a horrible excuse for a tropical storm right now. I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes extratropical later today. If it can survive into tomorrow, i'll be very impressed. Ryan1000 19:32, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up like Kendra '66 or Mike '50. --HurricaneMaker99 19:38, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it will stay recognized in post-season, HM99, but who cares if it developed in the face of strong shear? This storm is a complete waste of a name. The ACE per storm this year is only 3.3 thus far. To put this in perspective, 2007 had an ACE/storm of 4.6. 2007 had 2 hurricanes for every 5 named storms in the season. We had just one out of our first 10 storms this year. That is just absolutely pathetic. Ryan1000 19:50, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Jose upped what little ante he has, to 40 kt. Color me impressed. --HurricaneMaker99 20:51, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like convection regained around the center as Irene rapidly pulls away. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:37, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * What the hell? This is Jose? Wasn't this the same area the NHC said had a "Near 0%" chance of development? -- SkyFury 23:18, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * The very same; I wasn't even convinced Jose was really a TC until it strengthened slightly this evening. Still a bit skeptical though. --HurricaneMaker99 23:35, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was shocked when they started issuing advisories on Jose. I thought this won't form!10L.NONAME 23:43, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Getting re-sheared again with a center exposed. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:34, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is the sorriest excuse for a storm since Tropical Storm Ernesto circa 2000 (which NHC only begrudgingly admitted might have been a tropical wave). Although, for the record, I have no idea what you guys are talking about with TS Franklin. That one was definately a tropical storm, if briefly. Look at this picture and tell me it wasn't a tropical storm. -- SkyFury 07:13, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Franklin and Jose are like twins. They are both sorry excuses for sh!t, they live for a day, reach 40-45 mph and do nothing but spin fish. All the epic fails are really starting to bore me, although Irene ended that silence through last week. Ryan1000 09:09, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * At least Franklin looked the part. It developed a nice comma shape to it with good deep convection (see pic). Jose...I don't even know what Jose was. A tropical storm apparently. -- SkyFury 22:17, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Remnants of Jose
Dissipated south of Nova Scotia. --HurricaneMaker99 14:45, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

92L.INVEST
I was watching this all day and it just got invested! 20% for this African wave. Could be Jose or Katia or whatever the Katrina replacement is CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:20, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Katia is Katrina's replacement name. Hurricane Andrew (444) 02:23, August 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * This will likely become Jose. The wave behind this one will likely become Katia. Both have high model support however Katia will likely be overshadowed by her bigger brother Jose (as with Earl and Fiona of last year). Now the wave behind this might not be Katia as some models show a monsoonal TS forming in the Gulf around the same time this one forms, so it will be likely a race to the dreaded name. Yqt1001 02:45, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * But what is surprising is all the named storms we have until now i think last year we were by Earl or Fiona and I think Jose will become a name storm before September. Allanjeffs 03:08, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

30% chance now. Yqt1001 06:04, August 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * The models are a bit crazed with this one. Some take it northward and out to sea several days down the road and one of them even has it reversing direction at the end of the forecast period. All in all, I hope the long run takes will take this north of the lesser antillies and away from the eastern seaboard. Irene has already been bad enough... Ryan1000 06:59, August 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well i was wrong with my names, looks like this will be Katia. 40% chance now. Yqt1001 14:18, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * GFS has this going above Leeward Islands.Cyclone10 18:52, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 70% nowAllanjeffs 19:16, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, here comes Katia. But although it will likely be a strong hurricane, it will probrably head north of the leewards and far out to sea. Ryan1000 19:32, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * And the train rolls on... -- SkyFury 23:22, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now at 100% CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:27, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm certain this is TD 12.10 L. NONAME 00:37, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

The models are in general agreement it will miss the lesser antillies to the north, with the exeption of NOGAPS, taking it towards the northern end of the islands in the long run. Hopefully it does remain a fish storm, Irene was bad enough... Ryan1000 05:41, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Depression 12

 * TD 12 is born expect to be Katia later.Allanjeffs 08:44, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * The latest NHC forecast takes it north of the Lesser Antillies in the long run. Although we may get our second hurricane out of this storm it probrably won't affect land, so this storm won't be such a big problem unless it makes it's way far enough west to affect Bermuda. However, the Bermuda High is still in the position to take this storm out to sea, and I hope that does happen for all intents and purposes. Ryan1000 09:06, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Still not Katia. Also, if anyone cares about records, if TD 12 becomes TS Katia by the end of the month, this year will tie 1995 and 1933 for the second most active August ever (7 storms), behind only 2004's all time record (8 storms). Hurricane Andrew (444) 17:24, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * But then again, 6 out of 7 were tropical storms only. 2004, in August, already had 2 major hurricanes (3 if you count Alex) and 5 hurricanes (counting Alex).
 * How fitting would it be if Katia was christened today, the sixth anniversary of Katrina's landfall? That's more than a little eerie. And btw, despite the fact that we've only had one hurricane, we're only six days behind 2005's record pace. Katrina was named on August 23, Lee on August 31. Only 2005, 1995 and 1933 were ahead of our current pace at this point in the season, the latter by a mere 24 hours. -- SkyFury 21:22, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * TD12 is expected to gradually intensify over the next few days. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:29, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Our 11 name storm of the season has come to us AL, 12, 2011083000,, BEST, 0, 108N, 294W, 35, 1006, TS. Allanjeffs 01:29, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow dang it I was just about to say that by posting on the NHC RBT. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:23, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry cobra strike Allanjeffs 01:30, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Its alright, you're always first on calling RBTs : P. Anyways, the formation of 12 and to be Katia is the fifth earliest date for the season's eleventh storm. We used to be ranked higher, but 2011 was pushed back by 3 eleventh storms that formed on the same day and the same hour that took spots in second third and fourth. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:46, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * sorry that I am ignorant but what does RBT means Allanjeffs 02:17, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know but I think I heard somewhere in means Running Best Track. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 02:23, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * OMG they change td to ts but in the public advisory they leave it as td 12 i am so confusedAllanjeffs 02:48, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * OMG they change td to ts but in the public advisory they leave it as td 12 i am so confusedAllanjeffs 02:48, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * OMG they change td to ts but in the public advisory they leave it as td 12 i am so confusedAllanjeffs 02:48, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm surprised it went this long without becoming Katia, but it should get the upgrade soon and then pass north of the Lesser Antillies and after that towards Bermuda, or best-case scenario, a fishspinner altogether. Ryan1000 03:23, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

But if you read the NHC discussion at day 5 it says it could move west Allanjeffs 03:44, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Katia
The eleventh named storm of the season formed south of the Cape Verde Islands on August 29, 2011 - the same day that Hurricane Irene and Tropical Storm Jose dissipated. The system became a tropical storm on August 30, receiving the name which was used to replace Katrina. It is likely to strengthen into a hurricane.

Extracted from the Wikipedia Section. Anoynymous022 5:55PM (UTC+8) 30 Aug 2011


 * It's about time! I didn't think Katia would take this long to become a TS, but I won't argue with mother nature. Keep your eyes out for her. Although she is currently forecast to miss the lessers, she has a chance to not miss them as well. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 13:03, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * She might have a chance to hit Bermuda.10L.NONAME 20:42, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * 60mph other way she makes landfall or not she will bring big bumber to the ACE Allanjeffs 20:46, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * This will probably be our first Cape Verde-type hurricane since Hurricane Julia unless you count Lisa as one. Forecast to be a major and slip betweeen Bermuda and coast. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:58, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * GFDL is suggesting a 150kt (170 mph) category 5 hurricane. IVCN modelling a 125kt (140 mph) category 4. ICON, SHIPS, and HWRF all looking for sold 125 mph category 3s. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:38, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see this unlucky storm gets the fateful name. Yqt1001 23:05, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * OMG I just saw that if katia becomes the strongest of the season i will win in the strongest storm of the season betting poolsAllanjeffs 23:32, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's going to have a good chance of becoming the season's strongest storm, but it doesn't have much of a chance of becoming a monster for anyone. Ryan1000 23:37, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Guessing by the WINDSAT pass of Katia finding 55kt (65 mph) winds on the outer perimeter of the central dense overcast, I see that the max winds should be at hurricane strength by now. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:27, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think I need to tell anybody that this is a scary storm. But right now the models seem to think it'll ride the break in the ridge and stay out at sea. We'll see if that turns out to be the case. This looks like it's going to be a big one. Katia didn't quite make the Katrina anniversary, not forming until early this morning, but still pretty eerie. -- SkyFury 02:01, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * And the new advisory keeps the intensity. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 02:53, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * It appears an eye is forming around the center, could be a sign. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 03:01, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * We can't truly know it will be a fishspinner, and the slightest nudge in it's path can make all the difference; although Luis of 1995 and Dog of 1950 missed most of the Lesser Antillies, they didn't miss them by enough not to cause major damage. Luis tore apart St. Martin and a few other Caribbean Islands, doing around 2.5 billion in damage, and Dog was the worst hurricane in Antigua's history. There is still a possibility it could strike the northern Lesser Antillies and/or Bermuda, so although it's likely it won't affect land, it isn't impossible either, so don't write this system off just yet. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 04:40, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Still at 65 mph, I have hope Katia will become a hurricane today. Hurricane Andrew (444) 11:53, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * All of the models take this north of the lesser antillies, but it still isn't out of the question, and only GFS takes this thing onto a collision course with Bermuda in the long run. Furthermore, it is only forecast to hit 105 mph by SHIPS... Ryan1000 16:38, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * 70mph at 5pm. NHC: ...KATIA ALMOST A HURRICANE... Yqt1001 20:43, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Convection banding and organization has become better improved, very likely to be a hurricane next advisory. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:25, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Convection banding and organization has become better improved, very likely to be a hurricane next advisory. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:25, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hurricane Katia
Second hurricane of the Atlantic hurricane season is here, according to the NHC ATCF RBT. Still sticking with a more west/southwesterly track than the NHC is indicating, but I still believe the only land areas that have to watch out for this is Bermuda and/or Canada. Earl-Igor hybrid maybe? <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 00:40, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hurricane Katia the second of the 2011 hurricane season AL, 12, 2011090100,, BEST, 0, 148N, 436W, 65, 987, HU, Allanjeffs 01:06, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Finally heating up near Cape Verde and Mid- Atlantic.10L.NONAME 01:38, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * This thing is no big threat to the lesser antillies in the long run, and even if Bermuda does get winded a bit, it hopefully it won't pull a Fabian. Ryan1000 03:50, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Katia (2nd time)
Apparently 15 kts of shear are taking a toll on Katia; it's down to 60 kts, 990 mbar. --HurricaneMaker99 22:10, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * It seems the Lesser Antilles are definitely off the hook and perhaps Bermuda as well. Besides of that it might be pretty everything from Florida to Newfoundland or a fish-storm. Considering a US landfall, that might be even more dangerous as it would be for itself since Irene did not what many feared and with all the bla bla about "Has the NHC overwarned?" What I want to say, maybe people won't react very much anymore. --88.102.101.245 22:18, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * WTF?? I never saw this thing weakening in my future... Well, now that it's powering down, it might be a greater threat to the lesser Antillies than I earlier thought. I still hope it does stay away from the U.S. mainland, but I can't say the Virgin Islands or Puerto Rico will get nothing at this rate. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 22:29, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not going to even come close to the Caribbean islands. Not even the GFDL, which has been the southern outlier all along, brings it close enough to do more than kick up the surf. Where the hell did this shear come from, geez? Some of the models made the upper low a player but none of them forecast this much shear this soon and for this long. That low has dug in and is not lifting out like expected. If anything, it's strengthened. Assuming it lifts out soon, which virtually all the models still call for, Katia should become a major hurricane. The GFS and HWRF make this a big problem for Bermuda. However, some of the models, like the ECMWF and GFDL, try to rebuild the ridge late in the period and push the storm more to the west. This would bring the the US east coast into play. And God knows they don't need another hurricane. -- SkyFury 03:32, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

AOI: Western Caribbean
After churning at sea for days, this tropical wave has become organized enough to be included in the National Hurricane Center's tropical weather outlook. It is currently at 10% as it moves westward over the next few days. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:08, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure this will become Lee. This also might make another US landfall. Only thing is, it will be meandering around in the GOM for a few days, and this could wind up to a strong tropical storm like the ECMWF is suggesting. We'll see. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 22:24, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure. This area of disturbed weather is going to be interacting with land as it heads towards the gulf and it's not too well-organized. If anything, this could be a re-Erin(or better a re-Don) at most, but as of now, this storm isn't future Lee in my book. Ryan1000 23:27, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Some models like this storm. Well, we will have to see what happens to it over the next day or two. Yqt1001 01:15, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Both the GFS and ECMWF develop this, though neither of them seem to know what to do with it trapped beneath that high pressure. The GFS stalls it off Louisiana for days and then drifts it toward Florida (that would be really miserable for us down here on the Gulf Coast). The European promptly runs it into Texas. -- SkyFury 02:06, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

It's likely this thing will bring some rain, the drought-stricken state of Texas needs some rain, and Don didn't do sh!t to help out. So we could actually use a TS in Texas, so long as it isn't a re-Erin or a re-Allison. Ryan1000 04:40, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * 30% chance now. Not officially invested yet though.. Yqt1001 17:49, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

93L.INVEST
And it's invested. Yqt1001 18:32, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">Wildfires in Texas. Seems like they really need rain. 10L.NONAME 21:08, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">60% now Allanjeffs 23:47, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">Well, we have a possible tropical storm in our hands! And if this does become Lee by 11 PM CDT, 2011 will have tied August 2004 for the highest named storms in August (note: by local time, not GMT). Hurricane Andrew (444) 00:42, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Too bad, UTC is what counts :P Lee is going to be very, very tricky to forecast. There's a wide spread on the models and tracking mets, anywhere from Northeastern Mexico to the Florida Panhandle. Personally, I'm gonna hold back forecasting on this storm as I really think this will stall over very very warm parts of the GOM. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 00:45, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * GDFL has this going west, HWRF has this going east, and NOGAPS, GFS has this going north, then going back to the gulf. A lot of confusion. 10L.NONAME 01:12, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * 60% already!? Wow that was 2 days earlier than I expected. I honestly didn't think this would have a chance to organize until tomorrow at the earliest. Looks like Lee might be closer than we expected. Yqt1001 02:56, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoa! Last I saw this thing, it was only at 10%. To be honest, looking at the satellite, I'm not all that impressed. It's getting sheared to hell right now. Granted the shear should decrease soon, as most of the models are predicting, but I'm not sure I would've upped it to 60% yet. That said, virtually all the models develop this. The GFS crawls it right by us down here in southern Alabama, which would be miserably soggy. Yuck. -- SkyFury 03:29, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a big f**king mistake. How in the world could this thing hit 60% right now? It's in a hellhole of shear and it will be interacting with land real soon. Oh well. That being said, it probrably won't be as helpful to Texas as I thought it would be. Furthermore, it probrably won't exceed minor or moderate TS intensity. I would expect 50-55 mph at most. Ryan1000 03:50, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don´t think so if it becomes Lee it has a big shot at becoming a hurricane Allanjeffs 04:10, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's actually less organized than it looks. The center of circulation is in the south-central gulf of Mexico, not near the Florida Keys where all the convection is. So Lee is actually a bit winded as of now, and due to it's proxmitity to land(1-2 days away), it won't have too much time to strengthen anyways. Ryan1000 05:02, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * This one has me completely confused. First of all, the models develop it in the western Gulf south of Louisiana, what the hell is it doing off the western tip of Cuba? Second, the models, all of which develop it, mind you, sweep it down to the southwest. Southwest? Huh? That's such an odd direction for storms in the Gulf. There've been a few, Anita 1977 most notably, but it is damn rare. GFS takes it over northeast Mexico as a strong tropical storm. The ECMWF blows it up into a hurricane and runs it over Padre Island. The GFDL runs it into Port Arthur as a Cat 1 (oh yeah that's realistic ) before making the southwest turn. HWRF meanwhile is so completely confused its head just explodes; dancing the storm around the northern Gulf like a hamster on LSD. The one consistency is that they all develop it into at least a tropical storm. Given the level of uncertainty right now, this is definately one to watch. -- SkyFury 06:53, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * The models are a little crazed on where this one will go; in a way, this reminds me of 1985's Juan and it's bizzare track towards southern Louisiana. All of the models take 93L into, or close to, Louisiana to some extent, but they are completly puzzled as to what it will do afterwards... Ryan1000 08:56, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * 70%10L.NONAME 12:05, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * 80% now. I wonder what the NHC track will look like for this storm when it does develop. Ryan1000 19:01, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * This storm could really complicate my Labor Day weekend, especially if the GFS forecast verifies. I was going to drive home to Atlanta tomorrow. It looks like I may be able to just make it before the heavy rain arrives but the NWS is now calling for 5-10 inches of rain here in Mobile over the weekend, possibly more. And even though it may ease up by the time I come back, who knows what the flooding situation will look like. The models are having a tough time with this one. You're right, Ryan, it really does remind me of Juan, which is really bad news for Louisiana. The GFS stalls it off Louisiana and slowly crawls it east over the northern Gulf Coast before finally weakening it over central Alabama and GA. The ECMWF also stalls it off LA but then shifts it back south, blows it up into a hurricane and then runs it into Galveston. Who knows what this thing'll do. It could do just about anything at this point. -- SkyFury 21:00, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * The models are very spaghettish with this one, but they all reject Texas. : (. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:48, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although it could catch the folks there off-guard, it hopefully won't cause too many problems for them... It certainly won't be as problematic as Irene was, but this storm certainly bears watching. A re-Allison is what i'm fearing most, but a re-Juan would also be devastating as well. Ryan1000 21:54, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * TD 13 is here my friends invest_RENUMBER_al932011_al132011.ren Allanjeffs 23:13, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * TD 13 is here my friends invest_RENUMBER_al932011_al132011.ren Allanjeffs 23:13, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Thirteen
Official word from NHC. Forecast to peak at approx. 50 kts before landfall in Louisiana. --HurricaneMaker99 00:07, September 2, 2011 (UTC)


 *  The following post was formerly under the subheading  =Tropical Depression 13
 * And TD 13 heads for Lousisana. 99.58.60.158 00:18, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Merged subsection since I already made one for TD 13, and the one 99 made was in the wrong place. Sorry, 99 :/ --HurricaneMaker99 00:31, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, the NHC has kept the path open pretty wide for this thing. HM99, this thing could end up everywhere from the Florida Panhandle to Galveston. There is no direct certainty to this storm's path, which is why TS warnings are up for the entire coast of Louisiana and even Mississippi. This storm is dangerous because there's just no telling how strong it will get, nor where it will go. Keep your eyes out for this storm. Ryan1000 00:55, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * This would be a good time to remind everyone to Beware The First Storm Of September ! ! ! -- SkyFury 03:22, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

94L.INVEST
Like the Gulf storm above, models show development for this wave near Bermuda (of course). Judging from the activity near Bermuda this year, this will develop into a storm, but max out at 50mph. Yqt1001 01:15, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">GFS has this, but it shouldn't survive too long. 10L.NONAME 01:18, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah I saw it on Wundermap but I didn't suspect it to be an AOI right now...anyways, predictions from me take it to a 50 mph tropical storm. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:23, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what to make of this one. Both major global models develop it. It almost looks like a re-Cindy. They develop it soon too, the GFS in just 72 hours. -- SkyFury 02:09, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't trust what is said now, whether or not it's on NHC. Jose had a near 0% chance of developing when it was on the TWO and the next thing you know it's a TS shooting out to sea. Anyhow, this could become Lee if the Caribbean disturbance doesn't do so in a few days. Ryan1000 04:40, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

10% now. Yqt1001 12:28, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

94L.INVEST
At 50%. Hurricane Andrew (444) 17:06, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like we'll see Maria(or Lee if the other disturbance doesn't make it before this one), out of this storm. It will likely not be affecting anyone as it shoots out to sea. Ryan1000 19:01, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * That part of the Atlantic has been really active this year for some reason, I don't know what it is. -- SkyFury 21:03, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I am guessing that there is a very northerly jetstream and not as much shear as usual. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:52, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Down to 40%, but producing TS winds. --HurricaneMaker99 00:12, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Favorite storms of 2011
Adrian is 1st =). Ryan1000 03:32, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can't dispute the awesomeness of Adrian yet. No other storm so far in 2011 can even come close to Awesome Adrian. Yqt1001 03:34, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Depends if you think Arani or Songda are possible close runner-ups. Atu became a category 4 unexpectedly, just like Bianca(and Adrian), but Adrian was better-looking than both, and best of all, diddn't affect land =). Ryan1000 03:39, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Arani and Adrian are tied for first. Andrew444 20:22, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Retirements at a glance
No harm in starting this early, like we did with the EPAC and WPAC, now is there? (names that I think will be retired are in bold) --HurricaneMaker99 15:29, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Arlene: 15% - 25 deaths and $213 million are respectable fatality and damage totals, but probably not enough to earn retirement.
 * Bret: 0% - The resilience was admirable; however, considering the lack of any major effects, retirement is out of the question.
 * Cindy: 0% - I feel kinda bad booing her, since she survived into some really cold waters, but... BOO
 * Don: 0% - Normally I'm nice enough to give at least 1% to landfalling storms, but Don did literally nothing.
 * Emily: 2% - A lot of promise gone to waste here, though there were fatalities.
 * Franklin: 0% - I smell fish...
 * Gert: 0% - Aside from the odd fresh gust in Bermuda, nothing.
 * Harvey: 5% - Minor damage and a few fatalities, but nothing in comparison to Matthew.
 * Irene: 85% - Widespread and extensive damage; $10 billion across the Caribbean and US? The outright pummeling of the Bahamas, the coastal flooding in NC and VA, the catastrophic inland flash flooding in Vermont and other areas... Irene has made enough enemies to be an easy candidate for retirement.
 * Jose: 0% - What Ryan said (lol).


 * I'm going to wait until later here. If 91L (Emily) of this year happens to do what her 2005 predecesor couldn't(that is, cause enough damage to be retired), then I'll throw in my percentages because as of now, there are no storms with any reasonable chance of retirement. Thus far, I'd be surprised if we have ANY names nominated. Arlene didn't hit Mexico hard enough, and every other storm thus far did virtually nothing. Ryan1000 05:03, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Mine:
 * Arlene - 15% - It killed two dozen people, but Mexico has seen worse than her, and Arlene's coming back in 2017.
 * Bret - 0% - I don't think Bret's going, unless he's some tyrant name.
 * Cindy - 0% - See you in 2017!!!
 * Don - 1% - Affected land, dropped 2/3 inch of rain in Brownsville, that's it. No way Don's going.
 * Emily - 4% - Not Hanna or Gordon bad.
 * Franklin - 0% - See Cindy's section.
 * Gert - 0.01% - Only because she forced TS warnings for Bermuda.
 * Harvey - 5% - It wasn't a fishie, but if Matthew last year didn't go, then Harvey won't.
 * Irene - 80% - Okay, Irene will most certainly go at this rate.
 * Jose - 0% - See Gert's section.
 * Hurricane Andrew (aka User: Andrew444) 00:08, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I won't be doing any guessing, but here are the minimals: $1 million was the least amount of damages that a retired hurricane in the Atlantic has caused, set by category 1 Hurricane Klaus in 1990, but caused 11 deaths. The least amount of deaths a hurricane has caused is 1, set by category 4 Hurrciane Dora in 1964, but it did $239 million in damages. Arlene had minimal damage but caused 25 deaths, so think about that. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:15, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * You have to think more about where the hurricane hits and examine how bad it was for the affected country or territory as a whole instead of just base things off of what Wikipedia says ect. Keep in mind Hurricane Karl last year caused a similar number of deaths to Arlene this year(22), but it was signifigantly more destructive in Mexico and caused so many more problems for Mexico than Arlene did. If they didn't retire him, then there is no excuse why Arlene should be retired. And Dora killed 3 people, one directly and two indirectly. Paloma of 2008 only caused one(indirect) death in Jamaica. That's the record low for a retired name for deaths in NAtl. Klaus was described as one of the worst storms in Martinique's history. That's why it became retired at the request of the government of France, even though the overall damage wasn't that high. Damages and impacts are not proportional based on where the hurricane hits. A storm that devastates an impoverished country like Haiti might do nothing to the U.S. Vise Versa, a storm that does nothing to the U.S. might be devastating elsewhere across the Caribbean. The U.S. and Mexico are rather consevative on retirements because both countries get hit all the time with hurricanes. Smaller island nations in the Caribbean like the Barbados, Martinique and St. Lucia, Dominica, St. Kits and Nevis, or Trinidad and Tobago are more fragile to hurricanes than the U.S. and Mexico are, so a hurricane tearing up the Caribbean, like Dean of 2007, has a better chance of retirement than a similarily destructive U.S. hurricane like Juan of 1985, simply because so many more countries can request it to be retired. Ryan1000 01:37, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I won't be doing any guessing, but here are the minimals: $1 million was the least amount of damages that a retired hurricane in the Atlantic has caused, set by category 1 Hurricane Klaus in 1990, but caused 11 deaths. The least amount of deaths a hurricane has caused is 1, set by category 4 Hurrciane Dora in 1964, but it did $239 million in damages. Arlene had minimal damage but caused 25 deaths, so think about that. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:15, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * You have to think more about where the hurricane hits and examine how bad it was for the affected country or territory as a whole instead of just base things off of what Wikipedia says ect. Keep in mind Hurricane Karl last year caused a similar number of deaths to Arlene this year(22), but it was signifigantly more destructive in Mexico and caused so many more problems for Mexico than Arlene did. If they didn't retire him, then there is no excuse why Arlene should be retired. And Dora killed 3 people, one directly and two indirectly. Paloma of 2008 only caused one(indirect) death in Jamaica. That's the record low for a retired name for deaths in NAtl. Klaus was described as one of the worst storms in Martinique's history. That's why it became retired at the request of the government of France, even though the overall damage wasn't that high. Damages and impacts are not proportional based on where the hurricane hits. A storm that devastates an impoverished country like Haiti might do nothing to the U.S. Vise Versa, a storm that does nothing to the U.S. might be devastating elsewhere across the Caribbean. The U.S. and Mexico are rather consevative on retirements because both countries get hit all the time with hurricanes. Smaller island nations in the Caribbean like the Barbados, Martinique and St. Lucia, Dominica, St. Kits and Nevis, or Trinidad and Tobago are more fragile to hurricanes than the U.S. and Mexico are, so a hurricane tearing up the Caribbean, like Dean of 2007, has a better chance of retirement than a similarily destructive U.S. hurricane like Juan of 1985, simply because so many more countries can request it to be retired. Ryan1000 01:37, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I won't be doing any guessing, but here are the minimals: $1 million was the least amount of damages that a retired hurricane in the Atlantic has caused, set by category 1 Hurricane Klaus in 1990, but caused 11 deaths. The least amount of deaths a hurricane has caused is 1, set by category 4 Hurrciane Dora in 1964, but it did $239 million in damages. Arlene had minimal damage but caused 25 deaths, so think about that. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:15, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * You have to think more about where the hurricane hits and examine how bad it was for the affected country or territory as a whole instead of just base things off of what Wikipedia says ect. Keep in mind Hurricane Karl last year caused a similar number of deaths to Arlene this year(22), but it was signifigantly more destructive in Mexico and caused so many more problems for Mexico than Arlene did. If they didn't retire him, then there is no excuse why Arlene should be retired. And Dora killed 3 people, one directly and two indirectly. Paloma of 2008 only caused one(indirect) death in Jamaica. That's the record low for a retired name for deaths in NAtl. Klaus was described as one of the worst storms in Martinique's history. That's why it became retired at the request of the government of France, even though the overall damage wasn't that high. Damages and impacts are not proportional based on where the hurricane hits. A storm that devastates an impoverished country like Haiti might do nothing to the U.S. Vise Versa, a storm that does nothing to the U.S. might be devastating elsewhere across the Caribbean. The U.S. and Mexico are rather consevative on retirements because both countries get hit all the time with hurricanes. Smaller island nations in the Caribbean like the Barbados, Martinique and St. Lucia, Dominica, St. Kits and Nevis, or Trinidad and Tobago are more fragile to hurricanes than the U.S. and Mexico are, so a hurricane tearing up the Caribbean, like Dean of 2007, has a better chance of retirement than a similarily destructive U.S. hurricane like Juan of 1985, simply because so many more countries can request it to be retired. Ryan1000 01:37, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Arlene: 20% - Damage was minimal, but a quarter 100 deaths? That's a hefty amount. However, Arlene did not cause many big problems to Mexico. Mexico also has been reluctant to retire what most would think to be terrible storms (well, technically all (except the fishies) are). If Karl was not retired, not Arlene. Bret: 0% - Thanks for your ability to fight the shear! Cindy: 0% - Cold water fishy Don: 1% - Don had hopes to bring the South Texas drought to a...well...away from exceptional, but Don did nothing but drop a few barely beneficial drops of rain. Emily: 5% - Emily caused deaths and damage especially to Hispaniola, but not enough for any true retirement. Franklin: 0% - A stupid storm in the middle of the ocean. If I were to give it a nickname I would call it 'The Perfect Fail' Gert: 0% - Gert did cause some issues, but it did not do much to Bermuda except bring some gusty winds as it moved to the east. On the move to 2017! Harvey: 4% - With the exception of 3 deaths and some flooding, Harvey was not a major issue. Irene: 97% - I'm placing my retirement card on Irene because she was too much. She cannot pull of a Karl because she was a big deal to so many countries. In the end, Puerto Rico will probably request retirement, Hispaniola probably will too with 5 deaths and Haiti, which practically will retire ANY hurricane that comes over them due to the earthquake's prolonged affects, cholera outbreak, worse living conditions, etc. For the Turks and Caicos and Bahamas, damage wasn't too bad, especially when you look at past storms, but there were damages, and was considered the worst hurricane since Floyd. For them retirement is a maybe. The United States will 100% retire Irene: 35 (2) deaths and ~$7 billion. Overall, the odds of retirement are almost certain. Once again let me put the numbers in perspective: 43 indirect and direct deaths, $10.1 billion in damages CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:38, August 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Arlene: 20% Cause some impact in Mexico it kills at least 25 but like they said here Mexico have seen worst things.


 * Bret: 1% He survived shear and just that, The 1% is for the effect on the Bahamas but retirement is not gonna happen.


 * Cindy: 0% What does she do???NOTHING the NHC just throw a name like that but I admire her by her duration on cold water


 * Don: 1% That 1% is just for the damage in the carribean and just that, not even give Texas the water that it need just after landfall it dissipites Fail


 * Emily : 3% A lot of promises but not even one she do.


 * Franklin: 0% you and Cindy are just gonna be best friends, you two have a lot in common especially that both of you are fails.


 * Gert: 1% just because she affected Bermuda, but hey honey you are staying no matter what.
 * Harvey : 3% damage in my country nor belize was enough to earn retirement but at least it tried.
 * Irene:97% for me damage was enough for retirement Puerto Rico or the U.S.A may ask the name of this beauty.
 * Jose:1% Another fail of the 2011 but I have to give him credit for surviving and strenghtening in the high shear
 * Katia:TBK
 * :: okz well here r my forcasts
 * arlene 18% deaths and damage but not alot
 * bret 1% cause of the bahamas but no real retirement
 * cindy 0% ur on the train to 2017
 * don 2% cause of the caribian but not really
 * emily 6% well alot of brushing land
 * franklin 0%ur also on the train to 2017 =D
 * gert 2% she brushed bermuda
 * emily 6% well alot of brushing land
 * franklin 0%ur also on the train to 2017 =D
 * gert 2% she brushed bermuda

Well, I'll give my (official) percentages as of now:


 * Arlene - 15% - 25 deaths and 213 million is an okay number, but not enough to retire a name, especially for Mexico.


 * Bret - 0% - There's fail...


 * Cindy - 0% - ...And there's epic fail!


 * Don - 0% - "Normally I'm nice enough to give at least 1% to landfalling storms, but Don did literally nothing." --HM99.


 * Emily - 2% - Not bad enough.


 * Franklin - 0% - Which one was Franklin again?


 * Gert - 0% - It tried and failed.


 * Harvey - 3% - It tried and failed.


 * Irene - 85% - It tried and succeded. Although this may be rather conservative, chances are still in favor of retirement. I haven't ever seen 10 billion and no retirement in the same sentince, but the 7 billion in the U.S. may still be an overestimate since it's only preliminary.
 * Jose - 0% - No way Jose.
 * Katia - ?? - TBA.

Well, that's all I can say for now. Ryan1000 15:10, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Here's mine:

Arlene - 5% - Karl didn't get retired, why should this one?

Bret - 0% - Other than TS warnings, it did nothing.

Cindy - 0% - It wasn't even close to Bermuda.

Don - 0% - Could have gotten a higher number, but this one really failed.

Emily - 5% It did brush the Leeward Islands.

Franklin - 0% - This one's not going.

Gert - 0% - Only TD winds were felt at Bermuda.

Harvey - 5% - Well, it tried.

Irene - 95% - It did enough damage in the Carribean, adding the East Coast makes it go off the list.

Jose - 5% - It formed so close to Bermuda and it still did nothing.

Katia - ?% - Hasn't hit land yet. Can't put a number on this.

A lot of names wasted this season. Cyclone10 19:03, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Here are mine:


 * Arlene - 15% - Possible, but unlikely.


 * Bret - 1% - minimal damage.


 * Cindy - 0% - Fishspinner


 * Don - <1% - Hardly did anything.


 * Emily - 5% - Some effect, but not severe.


 * Franklin - 0% - Near fishspinner.


 * Gert - 0% - Bermuda just got a little breeze.


 * Harvey - 1% - minimal damage.


 * Irene - 90% - U.S. damage is estimated to be about $7 billion, and add the Caribbean damage and it totals to about $10 billion. The U.S. won't pass on this one I am pretty sure.


 * Jose - 3% - Some effect at Bermuda, but nothing very severe.

70.171.254.210 01:44, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Here are mine: All of that saying so far, Irene will be the first storm to get the boot. Now, Isaac is the last remaining original I storm. Given that they are cursed, I expect that to get the boot in a few years too. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 01:20, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Arlene: 15% – Didn't do a whole much of anything... I didn't see any reports of Mexico calling this that bad.
 * Bret: 0% – Obvious
 * Cindy: 0% – Obvious
 * Don: 1% – Donepicfail will never ever be retired, ever.
 * Emily: 4% – Emilyfail didn't do anything much to Hispaniola.
 * Franklin: 0% – Few hours of fame
 * Gert: 0% – Obvious
 * Harvey: 15% – Central America/Mexico wasn't crying that this was destructive, so this is obvious.
 * Irene: 91% – Moderate to severe damage over a wide area, with the US having massive floods, this will get the boot. This is not gonna be an Karl... Irene is much, much more widespread and people actually know the extend of the damage.
 * Jose: 0% – 24 hours of fame

The Great Seer has spoken: It's been a crazy season so far. I have a feeling we're just getting started. -- SkyFury 03:45, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Arlene: 30% - 22 deaths and $223 million in damage is nothing to sneeze at, I don't care what Mexico says. I had no idea it was that bad. If that was in the US, we'd have it up around 50% at least. Those are definately retirement-worthy numbers. Do I think it will be retired? No. But the numbers certainly qualify.
 * Bret: 2% - Sure made for a lousy weekend on Abaco Island, but otherwise bupkiss. Most of Bret's effects were beneficial.
 * Cindy: 0% - Look, a shooting star! Quick everybody make a wish!
 * Don: 1% - Per my usual custom, I never give a storm that affected land a 0% chance. I was really hoping to be able to make a Godfather reference with this one, but that's kinda hard to do with a storm that fell flat on its face. Though I guess it's fair to say that TS Don sleeps with the fishes ;)
 * Emily: 10% - It did kill five people. I'm still confused about Emily. It will go down as one of the most troublesome storms in history from a forecasting persepective. SMH...
 * Franklin: 0% - If you blinked, you missed it.
 * Gert: 0% - I get the feeling there were a few surfers on Bermuda who were sorely disappointed.
 * Harvey: 8% - This one could've been a lot worse. I think a lot of people were worried about another Matthew.
 * Irene: 85% - Wow, what a storm. As we feared, this has turned into another Floyd/Isabel with devastating inland flooding. But as bad as it was, it could've been a whole lot worse. It would've been catastrophic had it hit North Carolina as a Cat 3 and NYC as a Cat 2, as originally predicted. This was really setting up to be a worst case scenario with the size of the storm, track right over NYC, and astronomical tides. Thank God it didn't happen. I don't think I'll ever forget seeing Times Square, Grand Central Station, and Atlantic City's casinos completely and utterly vacant. It really was post apocalyptic. I was waiting for Will Smith and the zombies to jump out at any minute. Incredible. I hope you guys took it all in, because we may never see another storm like that in our lifetimes. I thought every single elected official at the state and local level did an exemplary job preparing for this storm. I don't think they could've handled it better. It had been almost three years since a big storm hit the US and there was plenty of room for complacency, but all the mayors and governors handled this with the utmost seriousness and professionalism. It took a lot of balls for Mayor Bloomberg and Governor Christie to order those evacuations. And apart from North Carolina, these were places that never have to deal with stuff like this. For a bunch of them, this was their first serious threat from a hurricane in decades. I was blown away by how well they handled it. Their actions saved lives. Hats off.
 * Jose: 0% - *facepalm*
 * Katia: ???
 * To be continued...

Anything but Irene 0 percent, Irene at 60 percent (while I've substracted some 25 percent due to the fact that the basin is running out names commencing with an I) --88.102.101.245 11:49, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Very Mid-season forecasts
Why call it very mid-season forecasts? Because most mid-seasoners do it in early August. Well, welcome to the true mid season, the beginning of September (almost!). As we near the second half and the most active half, we already have a taste of what the first half did. Here is my prediction: 17 total systems, 15 named storms, 6 hurricanes, and 2 major hurricanes. My ACE calculations lead me to believe a near normal statistic, around the 70-110 range. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 03:49, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

My prediction was 18 tropical cyclones, 17 tropical storms, 8 hurricanes, 3 major hurricanes, and 1 Category 5.

Now, doing it like CSU does it, we have 6 tropical cyclones, 6 tropical storms, 0 hurricanes, 0 major hurricanes, 0 Category 5's, and a ACE of 10. My post - August 13 activity is 12 tropical cyclones, 11 tropical storms, 8 hurricanes, 3 majors, 1 Category 5, and a ACE of 140.

For more information, go to my blog:

Hurricane Andrew (444) 13:09, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * With the activity so far, we might challenge 2010's total of 19 named storms. If we keep spitting out storms at this rate into November, and double the rate in September, there should be no reason we don't reach 20 storms. I still stick with 5 majors, only because the basin is warm and little shear..as the SAL slowly lifts, the CV season will probably be huge...so far the pattern is looking like most CV storms will go into the US too. Yqt1001 16:21, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although we may have a higher chance of destruction, we can never accurately forecast damages or retirements; last year almost permanently taught me that fact. I don't truly know if we will have our streak end this year, but I hope it does, every year without a landfall just makes it worse. However, I must agree that at the rate we are going, we indeed have a descent shot at catching up to 2005, possibly 2010 and definitely 2004 and 2008(in numbers). Ryan1000 01:29, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * See much more detailed and more precise information, see my forecast blog. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:08, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Irene seems likely to hit the USA as a hurricane...or will it be down to TS strength (and dodge the Outer Banks) before a New England landfall?(Yesterday NHC maps had it hit NYC,but the track keeps moving east).--12.144.5.2 19:26, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * A re-Bob or re-Carol seems more likely than anything as of now, but the 20-year drought for New England is probrably going to end this Saturday. Irene may end the drought there, but elsewhere in the U.S, we're rather silent; although the 5.8 earthquake shook up a large chunk of the eastern seaboard, overall damage was insevere. Irene won't be that way. Keep your eyes out for her over the next few days. Ryan1000 22:55, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

US Hurricane Drought
Yes, it's Eric! SkyFury is back for another season by popular demand. I am currently enjoying my retirement from Wikipedia but am happy to rejoin the forums for the hurricane season. I normally get back to the Wiki for the new season by July, but this summer has been really busy for me and, despite the activity, am only just now returning. I have received messages of distress about the state of affairs in the forums, but from what I can tell, this Wiki has done nothing but get better in my absence. Ryan1000, I know I have some missed messages from you (one from forever ago) and I intend to address those tomorrow, when it's not 2:30 in the morning lol. Tonight I come, as I usually do, bearing historical food for thought. A hurricane has not made landfall in the US since Ike in 2008. If a hurricane doesn't hit the US before September 2, it will be the longest drought since 1980-1983, and that's only if Iwa's brush of Hawaii in 1982 is discounted. If one doesn't hit before September 21, it will be the longest drought since the Civil War. -- SkyFury 06:33, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well then, welcome back here! (I'm a new user BTW, so I don't think you know me). I also want to add the fact that we have gone 5 years, 9 months, 3 weeks, and 2 days (i.e. six years!!!) since a major hit the U.S (unless you count Ike). If this continues until October 24, that's a record major hurricane drought. Hurricane Andrew (444) 13:20, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! (I'm relatively new too, but you probably have a hint of a clue about me since I was around for a bit of 2010) The forums have really calmed down now and are stable ever since darren retired. He comes back everynow and then and downcasts YE and the EPac, but his surprise attacks aren't often. Ryan is doing a good job operating the forums now. :) What I'm curious about is your thoughts on this season. So far we have had a bunch of weak storms..one after each other at record pace. When do you think the season will get it's first major? When will the season start kicking out hurricanes? If ever? Yqt1001 13:30, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * 93L (future Harvey) could easily end that drought; from what I'm reading of the HWRF model available on the WunderMap, it's forecasting Harvey to have a pressure of 933–935 mbar as it scrapes Cuba and heads just north of the Yucatan. What happens after that is anyone's guess, but judging from the re-curvature shown in that model, Texas could easily see a direct hit from Harvey. They need the rain, but no major hurricanes, please! --HurricaneMaker99 14:14, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * And better late than never; welcome back, Eric :) --HurricaneMaker99 20:32, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, welcome back SkyFury! Since I just came on the forums, let me introduce myself. I am CobraStrike from Austin, Texas and I am 11 years old. Anyways, coincidentally, as this section on the US Hurricane Drought continues, Rick Knabb of the Weather Channel published an article on what he felt were the top 5 most overdue cities. They are:
 * 5. Tampa - Not one hurricane since the costliest hurricane (inflation adjusted) of 1921 has directly affected Tampa. They were lucky in 2004 to not get hit by a small Charley, which went a little further south.
 * 4. Savannah - Not a major hurricane has affected Savannah, Georgia since 1893. Even the National Hurricane Center calls Georgia hurricanes sleeping giants.
 * 3. New York City - The large population makes it vulnurable, and the number of "close calls" makes people think the Big Apple is a hurricane shield.
 * 2. San Diego - Not since 1858.
 * 1. Honolulu - Has never been affected by a hurricane, yet has had close calls.
 * CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 16:21, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eric, what's baffling to me a bit more is our East coast streak in the U.S. We have not seen a major hurricane in the U.S. since October 24, 2005, discounting Ike of 2008. We usually see an east coast hurricane in the U.S. once every two years, but we have gone for 6 years without an east coast hurricane in 2011, since Katrina in 2005. That is the longest streak I can find in the history of ever. A close runner-up was an almost from Ginger of 1971 to David of 1979, but Hurricane Belle hit near NYC as a minor hurricane in August 1976. The closest runner-up for no Major hurricanes streak in the U.S. was, well, the civil war, almost since record-keeping began. I didn't think Hurricane Wiki would get so out of control ever since you left Eric, but the good news is you're back now. And CobraStrike, the biggest overdue city in the United States is actually Miami, Florida. Despite having a history of over, say thousands of major hurricanes in the past 150 years, the last time Miami was devastated by a monster hurricane was in 1926(Andrew of 1992 missed them a teeny bit to the south). If Miami was hit by a monster category 5 hurricane today, it would cause over 150 billion in damage because Miami has buit up so much since Andrew, and after Miami comes NYC, then Houston(New Orleans already got devastated), then Tampa/Savannah, and to a lesser extent places like Virginia Beach, Virginia and Atlantic City, New Jersy, perhaps Jacksonville or Charelston as well. The only epically devastating cyclone thus far this year was Yasi, which kicked the living sh!t out of Queensland last February, and became one of the worst storms in Australia's history, let alone the costliest discounting inflation. Innisfail, Mission Beach, and Tully were wiped off of the face of the earth from Yasi's massive storm surge, estimated by some to be higher than even Katrina's. It's a good thing that that 155 mph, 300 mile wide monster didn't hit a bigger city like Townsville or Brisbane, and fortunately it caused only one (indirect) death. Ryan1000 16:57, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yqt, I agree, the lack of power displayed by the storms thus far in 2011 is surprising. This is the latest we have gone without a hurricane since 2006, and most of the seasons that wait this late have been down years. That said, we've had seven names scratched off the list, which is a damn lot, but not one of them has been a hurricane. 2002 waited until the 'G' storm (Gustav) on September 11 before it had its first hurricane. No season in the naming era (since 1950) has gone this far down the list still hurricane-less. I remember the 2003 EPAC season went all the way down to Ignacio before they had a hurricane. They did not have a major hurricane that year for the first time in forever. It's really difficult to say when the season will start showing some force. Emily was a big freaking mystery. The models were clueless. It should've turned north and threatened the US as at least a borderline hurricane but instead it stalled off Hispaniola and died. That was bizarre. Yeah Ryan, beginning in 2004, hurricanes started trending noticably to the south through the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico. That in part explains the lack of any in the Carolinas and northward, but that doesn't explain the lack of any Florida impacts. Only four hurricanes (officially) have made landfall in the US since 2005, all of them along the western Gulf Coast, three in Texas and one in Louisiana. I will point out that Ernesto in 2006 and Hanna in 2008, which hit virtually the same spot in southern North Carolina, were so close to hurricane strength at landfall that the difference is negligible. However, you are right, the US eastern seaboard is in a major drought. The Atlantic coast has not had a major tropical event since Jeanne in 2004 (although Katrina, despite its lower intensity, did knock Florida around pretty good). North of Florida, there has not been a significant hurricane event since Isabel in 2003. Even more incredibly, there has not been a major event in New England in 20 years (Bob, 1991). It's like the Florida Panhandle's big drought before Eloise in 1975. And don't get me started on New York City. In my opinion, that's another Katrina waiting to happen. If they get so much as a Cat. 2 coming as far west as Brooklyn, they're in deep shit. -- SkyFury 23:14, August 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * But it's almost the opposite in the East Pacific somehow. Eric, we have had 6 hurricanes thus far in this year's EPac season, counting Greg's rescent upgrade, and if we get Fernanda to become a hurricane, it will mark the first time in the history of EVER that the first 7 storms there became hurricanes. The ACE in this year's EPac season has already jumped ahead of where last year ended at. The ACE per storm thus far is about 6.8(and counting) in EPac. 1992 had a total ACE per storm of about 11 in the EPac; 1990's ACE/storm was a little higher. Heck, at this rate, if Fernanda becomes a 'cane, all of this year's EPac storms will be hurricanes. In the case of the activity stuff Eric, Danielle wasn't even named at this time last year and keep in mind 2010 AHS still got to 19 storms, 12 canes, and 5 majors(yet somehow no U.S. hurricanes), so don't count out on this season yet, since the heart of 2011 is still yet to come. Now with the overdue places. Yes, I do agree with you a major hurricane, let alone a 100 mph or stronger storm, hitting NYC would be a horrible disaster for the U.S, but as I mentioned, a category 5 hurricane hitting Miami would be the worst-case scenario for destruction in the U.S. They have had a longer drought than any other major city in the U.S. except for NYC. The last, and to date, most severe major hurricane to directly hit Miami was the great Miami hurricane of 1926. True Miami has had a lot of near-close calls since then but no direct hits by any hurricanes of the intensity of the 1926 storm. Andrew, as I mentioned above, missed them by only 10 or 20 miles to the south, but it missed them far enough not to directly hit them. I can't imagine what a hurricane like the 1926 hurricane would do to Miami today. It would be a disaster without parallell in U.S. history. NYC would be severely damaged by a 115-125 mph major hurricane today, but Miami would be butt f**ked by a 150-160 mph category 4-5 monster. Although there are many overdue places in the U.S, Miami takes the cake. I'm not doomcasting here, but i'm pointing out some very important facts about how lucky we really have gotten since the monster(s) of '04, '05, and '08. This year could just be the last straw... Ryan1000 05:01, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not saying it wouldn't be really bad, but Miami is a well-prepared city and an Category 5 taking direct aim at a major city is a one in a million shot. Only three have made landfall anywhere in the United States in the past 160 years. Granted, if a major city was going to take a Cat 5 on the chin, it would probably be Miami, but the odds are still astronomical. That said, I am by no means dismissing the threat. A Cat 4 similar to the 1926 storm would be devastating. However, I would not expect a high death toll. The government and emergency personnel in south Florida have an organized and well-rehearsed evacuation plan. I would not expect another Rita. The damage would be extremely severe. Miami Beach would probably be all but wiped out and Coral Gables would be laid to waste. But I wouldn't expect a death toll much higher than Andrew. New York City on the other hand is a nightmare. The entire metro area is extremely low lying and sits right at the vertex of a concave coast. A 5-8 ft surge in Florida would be a 10-12 ft surge in NYC. An 8 ft surge hit the coast of Brooklyn during the 1938 hurricane despite the fact that the storm made landfall over 40 miles away. Like 15-20 million people live in Manhattan and Brooklyn alone. Even if you only had to evacuate a third of them, it would still be a logistical nightmare. Where would you put them all? Where do you send them? There are no direct routes away from ground zero. Brooklyn and Queens are on an island. Emergency managers up there have no experience with hurricanes. They'd have to figure it out as they went. The skyscrapers of Manhattan would act to funnel the storm surge, making it even worse. Anyone still on the streets when the storm hits is dead. A Category 3 or greater storm coming through Jamaica Bay and up through the city could kill over 1,000 people and do over $100 billion in damage. The economic cost would be at least twice that. Wall Street would be shut down for weeks, possibly months. The floors of the stock exchange would be flooded and gutted. Subways would be flooded and shorted out. It would take weeks just to pump the water out, let alone get them running again. Streets would be flooded or clogged with debris. Who knows how long it would take for the water to recede. The biggest commercial port in the US would be shut down. The economic capital of the world would be crippled. Even a Category 3, let alone a Category 4, could make 9/11 look like a traffic accident. -- SkyFury 19:08, August 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * The only thing I was saying is that a category 5 hurricane hardly leaves anything behind in it's wake. A category 3 hurricane causes severe damage. A category 5 causes catastrophic damage. Mark my words, and mark them good, there is no city on the entire gulf and east coast that is ready for a category 5 hurricane, and Miami definitely isn't. You can prepare for a category 5, but can never be ready for a category 5. What you're saying is NYC is so much more vulnerable to hurricanes that a cat 3 hitting them would be worse than a category 5 hitting Miami, ect, and I can completly understand that. I'm smart enough to know better, I know NYC is a tucked back coastal town, I know there are 15 million people in the 300-square mile city and I know evacuating all of those people would be next to impossible in a day or less, especially if a hurricane is approaching them at 60 miles an hour, like the 1938 hurricane did. New England hurricanes start to rocket in forward speed once they pass the Carolinas, and they can arrive to a landfall in hours, which can make evacuation decisions critical if they are made too early in places that aren't hit. What i'm saying is category 3 hurricanes destroy many structures in their path, but category 5 hurricanes destroy everything in their path, and only a handfull of cat 5's haven't been retired in the NAtl. Cleo was one, which was a rare fish cat. 5, Edith was another, which struck an unpopulated part of Honduras known as cabo gracias a dios(cape thank god), before hitting the U.S. as a cat 2, and lastly, Emily of '05, which, despite causing widespread destruction across the Caribbean and Mexico, didn't become retired. I personally don't think Ethel of 1960 really was a cat 5, but if it really was, it only tapped the gulf as a minor TS. What I was saying is a category 5 hurricane destroying 90-100% of all the buildings in Miami might do more damage than a category 3 destroying 60-80% of NYC's buildings simply because they leave behind hardly nothing, not to mention a cat 5 in Miami could also devastate a gulf coast city like Houston, Tampa, New Orleans, Corpus Christi, or Mobile(no offense Eric). The big difference between Miami and NYC is how the people think about hurricanes. People in NYC say "you know, we don't get hurricanes here", and people in Miami say "Ah, we get hurricanes all the time; this one won't be any different from the others". Neither of them think right; the people there need to get ready every hurricane season. Every season is a gamble, with millions of lives at risk. Anyways, I don't want to do any doomcasting or argue over which hurricane would be worse since it's obvious neither scenario is good. Back to the seasonal activity, Eric, we have had 8 storms but no hurricanes thus far. I asked you earlier on your talk page what you thought 2011 would be like for the NAtl, and even though the NAtl hasn't produced anything catastrophic as of yet, worldwide we have had one(Yasi), as I mentioned earlier, it was Australia's costliest cyclone in history excluding inflation and second costliest counting inflation behind Tracy. Since we have had no hurricanes out of our first 8 storms thus far in 2011 AHS, does this season remind you of 2007, or do you not think we will have so many hurricanes ths year altogether? If the 16-storm forecast average remains true for the rest of 2011, we have to have 8 consecutive hurricanes starting with Irene to get the forecast numbers. I think we will only have 4-6 hurricanes, assuming the total numbers remain 16-17 storms. But it all depends. Ryan1000 01:24, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * While a lot of storms so far in 2011 have fizzled, the season as a whole has been very active. We've already had nine storms and there's still a week of August left. The GFS brings two new storms off the west coast of Africa in the coming days, one of which is already a medium risk area. We could very easily be on the 'L' storm by the beginning of September. This makes me nervous about what September holds. Conditions overall in the Atlantic have greatly improved and we're already seeing the danger of that with Irene, which could turn out to be a very serious event. The Bermuda High has been much weaker the past couple of years than it was from 2004-2009. However if significant ridging could build ahead of one of these African waves, which seem to be coming in bunches, we could very easily see a major Caribbean hurricane. So while we may not have as many hurricanes as originally forecast, the forecast for total activity is still looking good. And remember, it only takes one bad storm to make it a bad season (see Andrew). -- SkyFury 05:29, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the case of Irene, it has a good chance to make landfall in the U.S. as at least a 100 mph C2, but that depends on if it continues to rapidly intensify into a category 4 or 5(more probable for a 4), and then ends the streak for east coast hurricanes. There is no gurantee the eastern seaboard will reccieve a category 3 landfall, especially if it misses the outer banks, but it is more than likely it will be at least a category 2 when it does make landfall. I would be surprised if Irene doesn't make it to a 135-140 mph C4 today. However, yes Eric, given the fact we haven't had our first hurricane until Irene came along, we might not have as many hurricanes as we were expected to see; i'd expect about 6-7 in the entire season. However, as you said, it can just take one(perhaps Irene) to make 2011 a notable season. Although the Bermuda high has been weaker than normal, it certainly won't be enough right now, especially for Irene, it has a pretty good chance to not miss the entire east coast. Although Wilma is considered to remain the most rescent U.S. major, I don't want to exclude Ike of 2008 since it was the third costliest hurricane in U.S. history and 5th deadliest hurricane to hit the U.S. since 1950. Only Diane, Audrey, Agnes, and Katrina were deadlier since then, so in my book, Irene would be the first in 3 years. Ryan1000 12:38, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * What's more concerning is the Texas-Southeast US drought. Since puny Don couldn't bust the dry air, it will likely take a major hurricane landfall to relieve the drought, and that could be devastating considering 32C+ Gulf SSTs. 2007Astro'sHurricane 20:55, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * The folks down there can use a break after Humberto, Dolly, Gustav, and Ike of 2007-08. Florida might need a wake-up call though because ever since '04 and '05, they have seen virtually nothing. Everywhere else they can stay the hell away from! Ryan1000 21:55, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

The drought is over
Irene has made landfall near Cape Lookout, NC as a strong (85/90 mph) Category 1. --HurricaneMaker99 11:59, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

So, we finally have a hurricane after 3 years, and a east coast one in 6 years. This hurricane drought was the longest one since 1999-2002, and the east coast 'cane drought was a record drought that has finally ended. Hurricane Andrew (444) 13:32, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not looking good for the folks in New England... Due to Irene's rapid forward speed, it's forecast to directly pass over NYC from the south, so damage from her could still be very severe. Ryan1000 15:22, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * The pattern this year favours US landfalls, so i can only wonder how drought busting htis year will be. Only time will tell I guss. Yqt1001 22:01, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * This hurricane drought took a spot in 2nd for the longest drought, only behind the CIVIL WAR. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:16, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just did calculations, and it turns out the time between Ike's landfall and Irene's landfall is 1077 days! 1077!!! That number is incredible. And CS, the US hurricane drought that happened between Hurricane Allen in 1980 and Hurricane Alicia in 1983 was longer than this drought, but shorter than the Civil War drought (The 1980-1983 absence totaled 1103 days). Hurricane Andrew (444) 22:36, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * That depends if you do or don't count Iwa of 1982, which struck Hawaii in November. And the longest east coast streak was technically 1861-1869, if you want to go that far back. The longest hurricane streak? There are a number of close calls. Irene 99 to Lili 2002, Andrew 1992 to Erin 1995, Ike to Irene, and since the Civil war, the record in question is from November 2, 1861 to September 13, 1865. That record still stands as of today. Ryan1000 22:42, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I were to pick at the Civil War drought, I would think that there was a hurricane landfalling on the US in that time frame, because the Americans were to busy at the Civil War to make certain that a hurricane did/did not make landfall. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:57, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * We couldn't have made that drought so, it was either a quiet perod in NAtl or just a really good run of luck. Ryan1000 23:01, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * The hurricane drought is over, but the major hurricane drought is not. Suprise11 16:18, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * The major hurricane drought is not even three years yet becasue as far as I'm concerned, Ike was a major hurricane. I'll buy that Gustav wasn't, if close, but Ike was. -- SkyFury 23:02, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't really tell the difference between a normal U.S. MH and a ginormus C2 which was one of the worst storms ever known. We went 5 years without one from Bret 1999 to Charley 2004(Unless you count Isabel), and since Wilma of 2005, we certainly had Ike and Gustav, and Irene most rescently, but although none of them were major hurricanes when they hit the U.S, they certainly had the impacts of them. We still have a chance to see an "official" U.S. MH in this year since 2011 is far from over, but Irene was the only wake-up call we really needed. Ryan1000 05:46, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * The major hurricane drought is not even three years yet becasue as far as I'm concerned, Ike was a major hurricane. I'll buy that Gustav wasn't, if close, but Ike was. -- SkyFury 23:02, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't really tell the difference between a normal U.S. MH and a ginormus C2 which was one of the worst storms ever known. We went 5 years without one from Bret 1999 to Charley 2004(Unless you count Isabel), and since Wilma of 2005, we certainly had Ike and Gustav, and Irene most rescently, but although none of them were major hurricanes when they hit the U.S, they certainly had the impacts of them. We still have a chance to see an "official" U.S. MH in this year since 2011 is far from over, but Irene was the only wake-up call we really needed. Ryan1000 05:46, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Replacement names
Again, no harm in starting this early like in the WPAC. Do you guys have replacement names in mind for Irene (and/or Arlene/Emily)?

These are mine:

Female "I" names: Hurricane Andrew (444) 02:23, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Isa
 * Izzy
 * Ivy
 * Ila
 * Ilsa
 * Iman
 * Iphigenia
 * Idelia


 * What about Inga, Irma, or Ilsa? --HurricaneMaker99 03:38, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * There is also Irah (which was used years ago), Ilona, and Isla (pronouncd EYE-lah). Some strange "I" names are upon us... Check out Babynames.com, and look at the "I" names! Once we get past the aforementioned names, we are in for even weirder ones, as it looks like the "I" storm will always be at the peak of the season, and will commonly be a large offender. <font face= "Candara"><font color="6666CC">~TDI19!!! <font color="FF0000">...To...<font color="99CCFF">...From... 04:13, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Iva was formerly an EPac mystery retirement, perhaps due to the fact it was confusing with Iwa, which itself became retired due to it's destruction in Hawaii in 1982. My personal pick for Irene, if it even does become retired, would be Irma. And Arlene and Emily weren't bad enough for the places they hit, so I won't offer any replacements for them. Ryan1000 06:49, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Check out http://www.momswhothink.com/baby-girl-names/baby-girl-names-i.html for more names. Hurricane Andrew (444) 12:10, August 28, 2011 (UTC).
 * Check out http://www.momswhothink.com/baby-girl-names/baby-girl-names-i.html for more names. Hurricane Andrew (444) 12:10, August 28, 2011 (UTC).

Here are some more: 70.171.254.210 00:28, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ilaria
 * Imelda
 * Immacolata
 * Ines
 * Italia
 * Ilene
 * Ivory
 * Ivonette
 * Ivonne
 * Idoya
 * Ivette
 * Izumi
 * Iva
 * Ioanna
 * Irena

Ines seems unlikely due to Inez, which was formerly retired, and Irena seems a little too close to Irene IMO, but if the WMO can replace Rita with Rina, or Stan with Sean, both of which are 1 letter-off names, I won't rule it out. Italia seems unlikely as well since it's Spanish for Italy, a country's name(Israel replaced Ismael, a former EPac retiree, but it was never used because Israel felt offended from that name choice and requested it be removed). Again, my personal pick would be Irma. But we'll have to wait and see. Ryan1000 05:28, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">Remember, Ryan, the statute of limitations on retired names is 30 years. Fabian (which replaced Frederic in 1979) was replaced with Fred in 2003. To follow up Hurricane Maker, I like Inga, but it may be too close to Ingrid, which is already on the list. Irma and Ilsa are also good options. Ivana is an option. I also like Imogen and Ileane but the latter may be too close to Ileana, which is in use in EPAC. Iva and Ivy are two other English options. If I had to pick a favorite, it would probably be either Inga or Ileane, which is phonetically the closest. -- SkyFury 22:54, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Eric, the Federic>Fabian>Fred (mess up) from list 1 doesn't gurantee that the gap must be 30 years(especially since that was the only time it ever happened). Things can be different with replacement names. As I mentioned above, if the WMO can replace Rita with Rina, or Stan with Sean, which are both 1-letter off names from the retired name in question, it can't be said that the replacement name must be much different from the retiree in question, and the fact Ileana is in use in the EPac doesn't at all mean that Ileane can't be used as a replacement for Irene because Frank was used in last year's PHS and Franklin, a longer version of Frank and the name in place of Floyd, was used earlier this year in NAtl. So variants of names can be used in both ATL and EPac and replacement names can be one or two letters off from the retiree in question and still be acceptable by the requesting country. If you would rather stay away from variants of in-use names in either basin, names that are close to the retiree, or variants of former retirees, that's fine, but based on the facts, there is no gurantee a name can't be chosen under those conditions. When we requested Isabel of 2003, we send the names Ida, Ina, and Ivy as possible replacements of Isabel. The WMO selected Ida which was used two years ago, so given that they have two more backup "I" names, I wouldn't be surprised if Ina or Ivy is chosen. When a country requests a name to be removed, they send two or three possible names to replace the offending name. If it's different from any other name not in use and not formerly retired, the WMO just goes for it, I guess... My personal pick for Irene, as I mentioned earlier, would be Irma. Ryan1000 03:13, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">I was referring to your dismissal of Ines/Inez as an option because it was retired in 1966. Just because it was retired in 1966 doesn't mean it can't be reassigned now that 45 years have passed. The generally accepted statute of limitations is 30 years and so far this has been generally followed, though Fred definately pushed it at exactly 30 years. I agree with you that just because a name is close to one that is retired or in use in another basin does not mean that it can't be used. If it's close to one in use in the Atlantic, however, that might be different. I think Inga is far enough away from Ingrid that it could be used, though it would make more sense as a replacement for Ingrid itself. If I had to pick a favorite, it would be Ileane. I think it flows well, though I imagine it might look a little different spraypainted on plywood. -- SkyFury 06:25, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Eric, as I mentioned earlier, the Frederic>Fabian>Fred trio from list 1 doesn't gurantee the gap must be 30 years. Heck, Rita of 2005 was one of the worst U.S. storms ever and it was replaced with Rina. The difference between Rita and Rina is just about the same as Frederic and Fred IMO. I personally also try to stay away from variations of former retirees, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. Ileane wouldn't be bad, given Frank and Franklin are on both lists, there is no gurantee variants of EPac names can't be used in NAtl either. We truly don't know what will happen with replacement names, but I am baffled by some of the WMO's picks. Dean's was the best example of WTF. Fred's choice was baffling, but Dean's replacement name was the worst excuse for a replacement name in the history of ever. Felix and Noel just made it worse... (I'm not reminding you of how silly the French are). Ryan1000 09:22, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

I don´t know why you say Dorian is a bad name for replacement because I really like it and maybe Mexico send that name to replace Dean because in there Dorian is a popular name Allanjeffs 20:58, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">No, it was chosen because somebody important is an Oscar Wilde fan. Ryan, don't get me started on the French, I think you know how I feel about that. Some of the replacement names recently have been absolutely ridiculous. Pretty soon people won't be able to listen to the tropical update without giggling. "Here's Tropical Storm Dorian..." *hysterical laughter*. Dorian was the worst, but Fernand? As far as I'm concerned, that's a typo. Fernando would've been the perfect choice, especially given the Spanish theme and that's the name that I acknowledge. Katia was a little silly but at least it makes sense with the Russian theme of Katrina. Rina sounds like something bad that happens to your kidneys. Gonzalo replacing Gustav was dumb. Isaias is kind of cool. And they redeemed themselves last year with Ian and Tobias, though why Matthew wasn't retired is beyond me, and I'm still confused about Alex and Karl. Apparently they weren't as bad as initially reported. Hanna is still a crime. -- SkyFury 21:24, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, end of that. I won't discuss anymore about the replacement name fails with the WMO. Pisses me off... If any name would be more descent for Gustav, it would have been Gary IMO. Ian should have been Ike's replacement. Why Matthew wasn't retired is no mystery to me because after all the reports I went through with Mexico and Nicaragua after Matthew, it couldn't have done 2.6 billion in damage. That must be a false number. And Mexico hasn't retired many other storms in the past Eric. Alex and Karl are two. Others include Emily of 2005(massive damage on the Yucatan and the gulf coast of Mexico), Liza of 1976(the worst crime in EPac history; as many as 950 deaths in Mexico and no retirement), along with Tara and Tico. Paul of 1982 was also destructive and deadly, but it caused most of it's destruction as a precursor wave and not a named tropical cyclone. Allan, I believe Dean was nominated by Martinique or Guadelupe, not Mexico. Dean did more damage in the lesser antillies than it did in the greater antillies because those smaller lesser islands get little warning of the storm, wheras Jamacia and Mexico have very advanced warning systems for tropical cyclones so they minimize destruction and/or deaths despite the storm's intensity. Agatha of last year is an utter mystery as well... Alma on the other hand, did become retired, but because Alma means "Soul" in Spanish, the reason behind her retirement after 2008 may have been the fact the name itself was offensive and was retired for that reason rather than being destructive. That's my opinion. Mexico is probrably more conservative for retirements than any other country except Haiti(well, they almost never retire names anyway... remember Tomas was nominated by St. Lucia last year). Ryan1000 22:14, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hurricane Hall of Fame
Hurricane Maker has expressed interest in me resurrecting my Hurricane Hall of Fame. I started it several years ago as just a fun little project, but then I brought it onto Wikipedia and it kind of took off. However it has been dormant since I left Wikipedia in 2010. There has not been an official class since 2008. I always wanted to expand my voter pool and our little tight knit group here on the forums seems like the perfect choice. I was thinking of adding the HOF ballot to our yearly betting pools page. See the link for some background and the rules and guidelines I laid out (years ago...I recently upped the cost limits for automatic nomination and induction). The way it normally worked was that I would make a list of ten nominees from which five would be selected, but I'm definately open to suggestions. I've also developed a seperate Historical Electorate (akin to Cooperstown's Historical Committee) for storms prior to 1875. In the HE, three inductees are selected from a list of ten nominees. What do you guys think? -- SkyFury 23:50, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm interested. At the end of this year, we may add a HOF ballot to the end of this year's betting pools in all basins. I don't know how the selection round will go then, voting process? CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:27, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it would be a good idea, considering the fact that many people may express interest. Hurricane Andrew (444) 14:57, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Great idea, CS.10L.NONAME 20:50, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * My question is, if we're going to do this as an end-of-the-year thing, then does that have an impact on the "two seasons old" criterion for inclusion? Also, perhaps voters could submit their own nominations? --HurricaneMaker99 21:00, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * But then again this is the Hurricane Wikia. If we decide to keep the "two year seasons old" criterion, then voting pools can still happen every year, just that hurricanes will only be inducted once 2 seasons old. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:02, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. There's lots of hurricanes before 2009.10L.NONAME 22:55, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * The ones I personally want inducted are from '07 and '08; I asked in case anyone would have wanted to nominate any post-'09 storms. --HurricaneMaker99 22:58, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Should this be moved to a forum of it's own? YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  23:07, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * What, the section or a new forum for the HOF? CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:08, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this should be it's own forum, like the favorite storms of 2011 forum I made earlier this year. The Worldwide activity discussion forum on the TC BasinNAV is for discussing worldwide activity of 2011. I also made one for 2012 as well, but it's made ahead of time. IMO Tip is no. 1 in the hall of Fame. Ryan1000 23:22, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think a separate forum page for this is a better option than the section. We had a huge debate over the same thing related to the WAD being in the EPac forum. The HoH isn't Atlantic only so it shouldn't be in the Atlantic forum. Yqt1001 00:41, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Based on the current consensus...I'll go ahead and make a forum for the HoH and move this. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:45, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would let SkyFury make it. It's his thing anyways. Yqt1001 00:49, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I just made it, sorry, but SkyFury can go ahead and edit it to his liking. The forum is here. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:06, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I've posted a bunch of information if you guys want to check it out. -- SkyFury 03:36, September 1, 2011 (UTC)