Forum:2017 Atlantic hurricane season

Future Start
The season hasn't yet begun, but the forum is up for anyone who wants to make pre-season predictions. As for the betting pools, there is a separate tab at the top of the screen that I added a while back that you can use to navigate them (still making them atm). Ryan1000 04:03, November 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Alright, betting pools are all up, except for the 2017-18 SHem season, since that's still got a ways to go. Updated the tabs. Ryan1000 05:51, November 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * As can be expected this time of year, there is a ton of uncertainty about what the 2017 AHS will hold, especially because we have no clue what the ENSO will be like. Some long-range models are suggesting warm neutral to El Nino conditions next fall, which would likely mean a less active Atlantic season, but there is still over 6 months to go until the season, so I'm not going to bet on anything just yet - I'll probably wait until March or so to submit my betting pools, because by then we'll get an idea of the ENSO state we'll be in by the season. ~ Bob Page  Wall  Edits  FORM PAULA FORM! 16:26, November 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * The La Nina is no longer, present and the ENSO-neutral conditions have finally come. Most models are showing an El Niño by the peak of the season. We could be looking at yet another below-average season, leaving 2016 as the only active season in a time frame of four years. T  G  2 0 1 7 13:36, February 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * CSU released their April forecast last week, and they predict an El Nino will develop once again this year. They expect a below-normal season of 11-4-2, which coincides with TSR's forecast the day before. Ryan1000 15:16, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

The 2017 Atlantic hurricane season has officially begun! ~ KN2731 {talk} 09:17, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

October
Since it's already October, I'm going to add this section right here. The Atlantic is sleepy and limited the tropical cyclones in this basin. Hi!-68.106.0.77 17:07, October 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * I archived the September section just so you know. Hi!-68.106.0.77 18:03, October 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * Even though there's nothing right now, you can't rule out something big in October, as we've seen in many of the more recent seasons. Also, according to the NHC's monthly weather summary for September, this season racked up more ACE in September than any other month on record, well eclipsing the previous record in September 2004, and so far, only 2004 and 1933 had more ACE than this year does so far. However, many of the seasons with higher ACE totals overall ended up having quite a bit of ACE due to strong late-season storms and that could very well happen with this year too, so we still can't let our guard down. Ryan1000 20:30, October 1, 2017 (UTC)

AOI: Western Caribbean
Marked on the TWO with a 0/20 chance of development. The Atlantic doesn't want to quiet down. - Garfield (02/10/17)


 * It sure doesn't. Thankfully due to its broad nature and land interaction this shouldn't get too strong. Both the GFS and ECMWF forecast a northwestern Florida landfall, though they disagree on speed and intensity. Generally, landfall is a week away. ~ KN2731 {talk} 12:52, October 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Potential-Nate looks like it could follow a path northward into the southern Gulf of Mexico by the weekend. I believe that a northwestern Florida landfall is the most likely scenario at this moment. This system could be one to watch for if the GOM ends up being very favorable... SSTs are warm, although I'm not sure about how wind shear or dry/stable air might affect it in the long run. ~  Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  00:38, October 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * SST's are warmer in the NW Caribbean than the southern GOM, but there's 30-50 mph wind shear over the GOM right now, and it's not expected to settle much over the next few days, so this doesn't have a good chance of development for the time being, if at all. If this was in a more favorable shear environment, it could be much worse. However, the month has barely begun, and if shear settles down in the region later on in October or November, it's entirely possible we could see one more strong storm before this horribly destructive season ends for good. Let's just hope that if another strong storm does form, it doesn't hit a populated area; a worst-case scenario for this late time of year would be a Tampa bay hurricane; the 1921 storm, which was the last major hurricane to directly hit the city, didn't form until October 20. Ryan1000 04:14, October 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Up to 0/30. Hi!-68.106.0.77 14:23, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Both the Euro and GFS see this developing within a 96 hour time-frame and this will probably be a hurricane once it gets into the Gulf of Mexico and could according to models be a Category 1-2 that threatens the US Gulf Coast anywhere from NOLA to Tallahassee. Worth noting that a lot of the models have underestimated the strength of systems this year. Should watch this system closely could be the late season major everyone is worried about although I doubt this would get to Cat 4-5 a 3 cannot be ruled out based on GoM SST. --Whiplash (talk) 18:07, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

90L.INVEST
Woah, this jumped up faster than I thought it would, I didn't think a circulation could form as far south as Panama; it seemed to be forming farther north near the Yucatan earlier. The tropics are full of surprises it seems...This is now up to 40/60. Shear in the western Caribbean is expected to be almost non-existent for the next 3 or more days and this could explode in the northwestern Caribbean if it makes it there; both of the global models expect this to move into a landfall in Nicaragua and slowly restrengthen to a hurricane, maybe a strong one, before hitting Louisiana and moving over New Orleans (GFS) or recurving east to Panama City (Euro), kinda like Hurricane Ida did in November 2009. However, if this misses making landfall in Nicaragua and moves straight north to the northwestern Caribbean, which Ida '09 failed to do, then a cat 4 or 5 is very possible from this, given how favorable conditions are for RI in the NW Caribbean. The strong shear in the central to southern Gulf could either weaken it quite a bit before it hits the north Central Gulf Coast, or recurve it eastward towards a landfall on western Florida without wearing it down too much. If the latter happens, hopefully it's not near Tampa, the U.S. has seen more than enough destruction this year. All that aside, this is now Invest 90L and could become Nate over the next day or two. Ryan1000 19:37, October 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * I just checked out the TWO and thought this was a separate system. Surprising that it seems to be developing near Panama when it initially seemed to be forming near the Yucatan. Anyhow, this is looking very concerning in the long run and Central America, Yucatan, and especially the Gulf Coast need to watch out. We have had way too much devastation this year. Future-Nate, stay below major hurricane status please! D: ~  Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  20:01, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Well, this is a system I'm going to have to watch for. Just checked the Euro model on this. If the Euro model pans out, my area will get a direct hit from this. I live in the area between Gulf Breeze and Navarre Florida, which is very close to Pensacola. The last time we've had a direct hit from a hurricane was Dennis. I hope that Future-Nate is nowhere near as bad.Not just for my area, but for the Gulf Coast, I hope things aren't too bad. We've had enough destruction this season. Leeboy100 Hoping for recovery. 20:39, October 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Plz no major hurricane. We don't want more damage. Anyway, it's up to 50/70. This is yet another storm to watch. Hi!-68.106.0.77 00:01, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * While models generally take future Nate towards the central Gulf coast, be aware that the ECMWF (Euro) ensemble presents several other options, most towards Florida from the panhandle as far south as Fort Myers. You know that feeling I got with Harvey, Irma, and Maria? It's coming back with this one. As a Tampa resident, and like Ryan said above, I hope to god that even in this year of all years that we don't get a hit here. We are the most vulnerable city in the United States and the 7th most vulnerable in the world. I'm keeping an eye on it but the consensus is west of Florida at this time with a majority of the model guidance otherwise, and tightly clustered over Louisiana/Central Gulf Coast. Since it is 5 days out there can still be huge changes in the track so I'm watching it closely. There's a chance the Bahamas disturbance gets much stronger unexpectedly and erodes the ridge allowing 90L to go much further east, but it has not pulled off anything like that yet.  Owen 04:09, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * 70/80, Nate is coming...this isn't looking good. Irma, as bad as it was for Florida, could've been a worst-case scenario for U.S. damage from a major hurricane if it hit Miami as a cat 5 and later Savannah, Georgia as a cat 4, like it was originally forecast to do, but thankfully, it didn't do that, and instead hit near the same area as Wilma did in 2005. While Irma was still very destructive, damage was much less than what Tampa or Miami would've seen if Irma hit either of those cities directly. Tampa may be in the path of another strong storm if Nate-to be explodes in the NW Caribbean, hopefully this doesn't do that, but mother nature really hasn't been kind to the U.S. this season, so we can't rule anything out, as bad as it could be. Ryan1000 10:24, October 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * 90/90, expected to form within the next 24 hours, and recon will arrive in about 6 hours' time. Nate is coming. ~ KN2731 {talk} 12:19, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Sixteen
From the NHC's site - "Special Message from NHC Issued 4 Oct 2017 14:02 UTC  NHC will initiate advisories at 11 AM EDT on Tropical Depression Sixteen, currently located over the Southwestern Caribbean Sea." Seriously, with the damage being in excess of $262 billion (per Wikipedia), why can't the Atlantic take a break from these destructive cyclones? 182.58.99.196 14:25, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

I knew it looked too good to be an invest. If this intensifies into Nate and becomes a hurricane, it'll be our ninth straight hurricane. Major hurricane status isn't out of the question either. NHC forecasts a Category 1 Hurricane moving ashore on the Florida panhandle. - Garfield


 * You guys beat me to it. Anyways, t he NHC will begin issuing advisories on 16L/Nate at 11 AM EDT. I feel like this is going to be another destructive hurricane. But it's too early to say that it's going down as a damaging hurricane. Hi!-68.106.0.77 14:32, October 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * @Garfield: While major hurricane status is possible I think that the max potential effects from this thing in the U.S. would be as a low-end Cat 3 I've seen some people saying oh this could be a 4 or a 5 but I actually don't think the temperatures in the GoM could sustain a storm of this kind of intensity at the moment. We of course cannot rule out the potential for RI over the Western Caribbean as many storms in the past have done. However, I don't see future Nate as being another Cat 4 threat to the U.S. most likely will be a strong Cat 1 or Cat 2 upon landfall which could potentially be damaging but shouldn't be super-destructive. --Whiplash (talk) 15:43, October 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sixteen is currently forecast to reach minimal hurricane strength and then hit the Florida Panhandle as it rapidly weakens.12.144.5.2 16:35, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * The discussion mentions that rapid intensification is a possibility as it moves over the northwestern Caribbean or southern Gulf of Mexico. So that intensity forecast by the NHC may be conservative. It seems likely we could be looking at another major hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. To-be Nate might go as far as to be our 4th real retirement candidate of the year, unfortunately. Let's all hope that it remains below major hurricane status, as we have had way too much devastation this year. I'm particularly worried for Leeboy, who lives directly in the path of to-be Nate. ~  Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  16:40, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

A few thoughts:


 * 1) The Euro and GFS once again can't seem to agree. They have a current landfall disagreement of ~250 miles. That is a huge discrepancy and I tend to think that the Euro is on the right track here.


 * 1) Euro has it making landfall at 960mb. That is scary, because with the way this season has gone, you can almost assume that the actual low pressure will be 10-20 mb lower than what was forecasted 3-4 days out. If this thing gets in the 950s or even worse 940s, we may be dealing with another catastrophic hit.


 * 1) Interaction with Central America and the Yucatan along with strong shear near the gulf coast and a deep trough, could lead to a tropical storm landfall. On the other hand, there is a chance that there is minimal landfall interaction, the trough pushes north and shear moves out, and Nate blows up in the Gulf with the potential of dropping 20-30 mb in less than 24 hours in the gulf.


 * 1) So many questions yet to be answered, everything at this point is speculation until it clears the Yucatan. One thing is for sure though, a named system will make landfall this weekend.

Also, I found something quite interesting. The track of the 1921 Tampa hurricane is almost identical to where TD16 formed, and all the way up until the predicted landfall point (where the forecast takes it into the panhandle). Owen 19:52, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

This is scaring me. It's heading straight towards me, and the NHC is saying that there's a chance that this could rapidly intensify. The good news is, where I live, people are actually already starting to prepare. A neighbor down the street from me has gotten his old storm shutters out. (I know they're old, because written on the shutters are "Go away Ivan Dennis.") We've seen what Harvey did by rapidly intensifying before landfall, and are not taking any chances. Leeboy100 Hoping for recovery. 20:03, October 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * I mentioned before that RI in the northwestern Caribbean to cat 4 or stronger intensity could happen with this, but only if it misses making landfall in Central America, and fortunately the current NHC forecast for TD 16 does not expect this to miss making landfall in Central America, like Ida of 2009. Because of that, interaction with the mountainous terrain of CA should slow this down and disrupt the small circulation of this enough to keep it from RI'ing in the Caribbean; Ida '09 was lucky enough to reach Cat 2 intensity in the region after her small circulation was heavily disrupted after moving over Nicaragua, but shear was also lower for Ida at the time. Today, shear is currently very hostile over the GoM and has all but ripped apart the near 0% AOI near the Florida Keys right now, and unless it settles down over the next few days, between interaction with Central America and shear over the Gulf, this may not get very strong; the late-forecast period of the cone only makes this a cat 1 in Panama City or so, which wouldn't be that bad. EDIT: Whiplash, it's not that SST's aren't warm in the GOM, they're actually pretty favorable, but wind shear is so hostile for devlopment that nothing can form; shear is currently at 30-50 mph in the southeast GOM and the AOI near the keys is just about dead because of it. Shear in the NW Caribbean is almost non-existent, but even slight interaction with the mountains of CA can seriously disrupt the circulations of small cyclones like TD 16. Ida of 2009 was forecast to be a cat 5 by some of the models if it missed Central America, but fortunately that didn't happen, hopefully what happened to Ida will happen to this too. Ryan1000 20:26, October 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * @Ryan: Thanks for the input. I'm not trying to imply that temperatures are cold they are still favorable for maintaining a strong tropical cyclone however they are not the same temperatures we saw in front of Irma and Maria earlier in the year and won't sustain a large hurricane of Cat 4-5 for long, especially as you have noted above due to the unfavorable wind shear environment and also I doubt the outflows from this system will be that good either. That was what I was trying to imply not that the temperatures aren't conducive for a tropical cyclone. They are but not for a strong tropical cyclone with other criteria factored in. If these were like the temperatures we saw earlier in the year I would say a 4 or 5 would be possible but I really don't think so in this circumstance, but we will see how the atmospheric dynamics evolve as this system gets closer to the GoM. --- Edit: Also just reread your post and I think you seem to think I'm saying RI to a Cat 4/5 is not possible in the Caribbean. I think it is possible however I don't see this kind of strength being maintained in the GoM should it happen. I still think a worst-case scenario from this thing for the U.S. would be as a low end Cat 3. With most likely impacts being in the Cat 1-Cat 2 range. --Whiplash (talk) 21:03, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hopefully land interaction with CA and the Yucatan stop this thing from exploding by the time it gets into the Gulf. The shear in the GOM should also hopefully stop any major intensification. But knowing how this season has gone, I won't be too surprised if it tries to avoid the land and we get yet another devastating beast. I doubt this will become anything more than C3 though due to the factors mentioned above, unless it tries to miss the land obstacles in its path leading to the GOM. ~  Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  21:50, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, hopefully we won't see an RI in the Gulf. I doubt that this will be a major, hopefully. Hi!-68.106.0.77 22:39, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * This storm appears to be getting its act together fairly well in the latest sattelite loops and it appears to be taking a slight northward jog, RI isn't out of the question, but it depends on how close it gets to Central America. If the NHC is right on this and it hits Central America (hopefully they are), then this probably won't get too strong in the Caribbean, since, like I mentioned before, even slight interaction with the mountains can seriously impact small cyclones like this one. As far as I'm concerned, SST's weren't exactly record-warm with Irma and Maria earlier this year Whiplash, just above-normal, but because those two storms had virtually no wind shear or dry air in their path, let alone land interaction, they got to be as strong as they were. This does have some shear to deal with down the road when it reaches the southern GOM, and it does have Central America to deal with before it reaches the NW Caribbean, but it could still become a cat 2-3 hurricane down the road. If Central America wasn't in the path of this thing, then I can only imagine how strong this could get before reaching the GOM. Ryan1000 02:37, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * @Ryan: I'm pretty sure the SST in front of Irma were exceptionally toasty some places in the 30-31 range before the Bahamas right now most of the GoM is about 28-29 and with the other invest going to move across I'm sure it will be cooler by a degree once this system gets there. I'm not sure as much about the SST with Maria but again the conditions were far more favorable than they will be with this system. Will be interesting to see how it develops none the less. --Whiplash (talk) 02:43, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh I know SST's were very warm in front of Irma, but as warm as they were, they were not at their warmest values ever recorded, and in either instance, Irma (and later Maria) had little to no unfavorable shear or dry air in her path, which this storm does have to deal with. NHC does state in the 11 PM discussion that their intensity forecast is uncertain with this storm when it reaches the NW Caribbean, but it all depends on how much Nicaragua and Honduras wear down the circulation of this. Since this is a compact cyclone, I believe that interaction with the coastal mountains of the two countries will wear this down considerably, enough to keep it from blowing up too much in the NW Caribbean, but it's still too soon to tell for sure. If it strengthens more than the current forecast anticipates in the NW Caribbean, then a turn east sooner and towards Florida is more likely, as the 00Z Euro indicates. The GFS, however, doesn't indicate much strengthening in the NW Caribbean after interacting with CA and takes it over the Yucatan and into Louisiana as a tropical storm. I personally think a landfall there is too far west, but it would be a best-case scenario for this regarding impacts, hopefully the GFS is right this time. Ryan1000 03:40, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the GFS needs to be correct this time. It would be nice if Nate stays respectfully weak and gets torn apart by Honduras and Nicaragua, enough for it to kinda struggle in the upcoming favorable conditions in the NW Caribbean. I've absolutely had enough of devastation, and so has everyone else here (unless you're psychopathic :P). This TD should intensify to be named overnight. ~  Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  04:03, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Still no Nate. It seems unlikely that it will get named before landfall, so we probably have a bit longer to wait - Garfield

Tropical Storm Nate
I'll eat my words. NHC just called Nate. - Garfield


 * Not likely to get much stronger before moving over Honduras and Nicaragua later today. Due to his small circulation, there's even an outside chance Nate might temporarily dissipate over the mountains. Landfall location for the Gulf has shifted westward towards Louisiana/Mississippi. Maybe the GFS wasn't too crazy for calling a landfall that far west after all. Ryan1000 12:21, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I absolutely hope that it won't be another destructive storm. I had seen enough of destruction for one year. And really Atlantic? You're producing such destructive hurricanes for the year? Stop producing destruction in... well, anywhere in this basin Atlantic! Or else...umm... I will watch only in the Pacific, your ocean enemy, right? Hi!-68.106.0.77 14:34, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Bad news. It is being confirmed that there have already been 15 deaths from Nate in Nicaragua. We now have another deadly storm on our hands. Leeboy100 Hoping for recovery. 19:55, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Now at 17, this could be our next retirement candidate if this keeps up. T  G  2 0 1 7 20:03, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Scratch what I just said. 22 deaths in Central America. Nate is already worse than I expected. T  G  2 0 1 7 20:38, October 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * The thing with Nate is that is crossing the least montainous terrain Honduras have. The moskitia coast and the Gracias a Dios department of Honduras is the flattest part of the country so Nate will not be severely disrupt as many thing. I live in Honduras and so far we havent get much rain, compare to our neighbors, Nicaragua, Panama and Costa Rica. People in Costa Rica are calling this storm worse than Mitch and Cesar as flooding have been extreme in the country, if current trends continue I dont doubt Costa Rica or Nicaragua asking for retirement, as the death toll is expect to increase. Allan Calderini. AllanCalderini21 (talk) 21:16, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Can't believe 22 deaths has already occurred. That's what happens when a tropical system combines with a gyre, I guess. Nate already has at least a small retirement chance because of these deaths. The impacts in the region remind me of Otto from last year, except weaker winds. Nate has been even deadlier in Nicaragua than Otto was. Considering Otto was retired, this could already have a decent chance as well. Anyway, the future of Nate still looks relatively concerning. The SHIPS RI index is still high and it's headed straight for the Gulf Coast. Nate is likely going to be a real troublemaker... ~  Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  22:22, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Even if the terrain this moved over isn't the highest in Honduras or Nicaragua, Nate's small circulation has still been disrupted quite a bit due to that land interaction, and it's unlikely Nate will strengthen very much over the NW Caribbean due to interaction with Honduras and Nicaragua, and a subsquent landfall that will take place over the Yucatan sometime tomorrow night. When Nate reaches the GOM, conditions will be even less favorable than the Caribbean is right now, and while Nate could strengthen to a hurricane in the northern Gulf, currently cat 1 is all the NHC is calling for, it could get a bit stronger than that but not much. If this didn't hit Central America and stayed over the open waters into the NW Caribbean it would've been much worse, though it's still a sad story to see over 20 people killed in Central America. If Costa Rica axed Otto last year, then Nate might be a surprisingly good retirement contender as well. Ryan1000 22:31, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I doubt this will become a major anymore. At most, Nate could approach C2 status due to interaction with CA and the Yucatan. Latest intermediate advisory keeps Nate at the same winds and pressure. ~  Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  23:51, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

AOI: Near Bahamas
Another one near the Bahamas (0/0 on the TWO) but this shouldn't develop at all. Upper-level winds should rip this thing apart. I think it was a waste of time to put this up on the outlook, lol. ~  Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  00:40, October 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Up to 10/10, but likely not going to develop due to strong shear over the GoM. Ryan1000 19:38, October 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep, it would have to defy all odds to become named. Heavy rain will affect Florida and the Bahamas though. ~  Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  20:04, October 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Back down to 0/0. ~  Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  16:48, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Still on the TWO but I definitely doubt that his would form. Hi!-68.106.0.77 03:06, October 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Stu Ostro posted [|this] on twitter, seems like that it got more organized.User:TrueDashX 23:30, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

AOI: Southwest of Azores
This low pressure is about 900 mi southwest from the Azores. It's at 0/20 right now. It may or may not develop, we'll see. Hi!-68.106.0.77 14:40, October 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think systems in this region have a tendency to spin up rather rapidly. This might be a candidate for Ophelia. ~  Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  22:24, October 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * This could be Arlene v2.Hurricane Fred (talk) 23:24, October 5, 2017 (UTC)Hurricane Fred (talk) 23:23, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Retirements at a glance
Now that we had three storms with two affecting land, I think we should discuss retirements.

Andros 1337 (talk) 22:02, September 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * Arlene - 0% - Pre-season surprise, but did not affect land as a tropical cyclone.
 * Bret - 2% - Caused minor damage in the Caribbean.
 * Cindy - 15% - Damage total unknown, but caused significant flooding and tornadoes, but overshadowed by Harvey.
 * Don - 10% - May have a slight chance of being retired for political reasons, but I wouldn't count on it, so I will keep my estimate conservative.
 * Emily - 0.01% - Very minor impact.
 * Franklin - 5% - Damage total unknown, but probably minor and caused no deaths.
 * Gert - 1% - Caused two deaths due to rip currents, but that is it.
 * Harvey - 100% - Record flooding in Texas, an obvious retirement candidate.
 * Irma - 100% - Another obvious retirement candidate due to damage in the Caribbean.
 * Katia - 8% - Probably caused similar damage to Franklin, but caused two deaths.
 * Jose - 2% - Only minor damage in the Caribbean and East Coast.
 * Lee - 0% - Regenerated and currently active, but still not expected to affect land.
 * Maria - 100% - Caused major damage in Dominica and Puerto Rico.

It's still a bit early to discuss retirements, but Cindy was somewhat notable, so I guess it's ok for now. But I'll save my calls for later. Ryan1000 09:26, June 27, 2017 (UTC)

TG's Retirements
I guess it won't hurt to add this in now. (Retirement colors:  0%, 0.01% , 1% , <font color="#449">5% , 10% , <font color="#049">15% , 20% , <font color="#094">25% , 30% , <font color="#390">35% , 40% , <font color="#CF0">45% , 50% , <font color="#FE0">55% , <font color="#FD0">60% , <font color="#FC0">65% , 70% , <font color="#F70">75% , 80% , <font color="#F20">85% , 90% , <font color="#C00">95% , <font color="#900">99% , <font color="#500">100%  ) (Category colors: <font color="#00faf4">TS , <font color="#ffffcc">C1 , <font color="#ffe775">C2 , <font color="#ffc140">C3 , <font color="#ff8f20">C4 , <font color="#ff6060">C5 )


 * <font color="#00faf4">Arlene : 0% - Really nice to have a surprise once in a while. I liked Arlene while she lasted out in the open. She will most likely be back in 2023.
 * <font color="#00faf4">Bret : 10% - Another big surprise happened after Arlene and it was Bret. Bret was the earliest Cape Verde type storm to form. Unfortunately, Bret did strike Trinidad and killed two people I have upped the chances because it is a fairly unusual location for a tropical cyclone to strike. I know that this storm will be back in 2023, though.
 * <font color="#00faf4">Cindy : 20% - Wow. That surprisingly brought a big punch to the gulf states. Cindy ties Allison as the 4th wettest tropical cyclone in Mississippi and Erin of 1995 as the 5th wettest tropical cyclone in Indiana. This brought several tornadoes across the South and extensive flooding. The damage is still unknown as of now, but this storm could have a fairly high damage total for a TS. T  G  2 0 1 7 00:55, June 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * <font color="#00faf4">Don : <font color="#094">25% - People might think I'm crazy for giving this a 25% chance, and you would be right if this didn't generate gobs of negative media attention. This could get the Adolph/Israel/Isis treatment as another user on here said. I would've gave this a 50% chance if Don caused some damage to the Leeward Islands. T  G  2 0 1 7 16:45, July 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * <font color="#00faf4">Emily : <font color="#889">0.01% - I liked how Emily defied the forecasts and became a TS, which was pretty cool. The $96,000 in damages from an EF0 tornado is the only damage total that we have from Emily as of now. It was also the first time since Matthew that a state of emergency was declared for Florida. The state of emergency was for resources, though and wasn't any catastrophe. Emily is most likely coming back in 2023. T  G  2 0 1 7 10:36, August 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * <font color="#ffffcc">Franklin : <font color="#889">0.01% - Franklin miraculously caused no fatalities in Mexico. There is almost no chance of retirement. The only damage from Franklin was minimal.
 * <font color="#ffe775">Gert : <font color="#449">5% - Two people drowned from rip currents in the United States, which is very sad. Gert defied all of the forecasts, becoming not a Category 1 hurricane, but a Category 2 hurricane! I thought that Gert wouldn't be any stronger than a strong TS, but I was very wrong. T  G  5 YEARS OF TRACKING 13:50, August 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * <font color="#ff8f20">Harvey : <font color="#500">100% - I really have no words about how bad this storm was. Harvey jumped off a cliff, and could bring Irma with him. T  G  5 YEARS OF TRACKING 17:57, August 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * <font color="#ff6060">Irma : <font color="#500">100% - After wiping out Barbuda and St. Martin, Irma is most likely going to go after this year. T  G  2 0 1 7 19:47, September 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * <font color="#ff8f20">Jose : <font color="#889">0.01% - Almost hit the Northern Leeward Islands. That would have been a mess.
 * <font color="#ffe775">Katia : <font color="#669">1% - Struck Mexico at the same time as a strong earthquake. This gives Katia a slightly higher chance than Franklin.
 * <font color="#ffc140">Lee : 0% - Lee redeemed himself. But because he was a fish, he's coming back in 2023.
 * <font color="#ff6060">Maria : <font color="#500">100% - Not a chance she will stay for 2023. T  G  2 0 1 7 23:54, September 18, 2017 (UTC)

T G  2 0 1 7 15:56, September 16, 2017 (UTC)
 * Retired (80-100%): Harvey, Irma, Maria
 * Possibly Retired (50-79%): None
 * Notable mentions (20-49%): Cindy, Don
 * Final retirements: TBA
 * Replacements: Herbert, Imogen, Minerva

Retirements from Steve
Here's what you'll see when you click through all my tabs.
 * Retirements, etc.: Lists retirement chances, grades and summaries for all storms.
 * In summary...: Categorizes all storms based on how likely they are to be retired.
 * Replacement Names for Potential Retirements: Every storm listed as "Possibly Retired" or higher on the previous tab each gets a top 10 list of my favorite replacement names that the NHC may choose.
 * Other Info: Explanations for why I did some things the way I did.

If you are on a mobile device and the page is on the mobile version, swipe to the very bottom and select "view full site" to view everything properly. Retirements, etc.=
 * <font color="#00faf4">Arlene : <font color="#779">~0% , <font color="#086">B+ - It was fantastic for forming in April, but being only a moderate TS means it can't receive higher than a B+.
 * <font color="#0CF">Bret : <font color="#33D">1% , <font color="#F00">F  - Existed in an unusual location and caused 2 deaths (one indirect). The location gives Bret a tiny retirement chance and improves the grade a bit.
 * <font color="#00faf4">Cindy : <font color="#07F">10% , <font color="#F50">D - The region it struck has been through much worse, and it has been very overshadowed by Harvey.
 * <font color="#00faf4">Don : <font color="#0FF">20% , <font color="#F00"><font color="#A00">Z - Failed to redeem itself after 2011, but 50 mph is enough to prevent it from getting my worst grade. The 20% is for the unlikely chance that just because Donald Trump is president, it could get the "Adolph, Israel, and Isis" treatment.
 * <font color="#0CF">Emily : <font color="#55B">0.1% , <font color="#F20">D- - Not much impact. Grading credit comes from its rapid and unexpected formation.
 * <font color="#ffffcc">Franklin : <font color="#03F">7.5% , <font color="#8F0">C+  - I give grading credit to Frank for becoming the season's first hurricane. Damage totals are unknown and there hasn't been any deaths (thank god). Damage could have been a bit extensive, however.
 * <font color="#ffe775">Gert : <font color="#55B">0.1% , <font color="#086">B+  - Got stronger than what initial forecasts called for. 2 saddening indirect deaths from rip currents is nowhere near enough for the name to be considered for retirement.
 * <font color="#ff8f20">Harvey : <font color="#807">~100% , <font color="#0F0">B- - This will be retired. One of the costliest storms in U.S. history according to preliminary totals, and 77 deaths. The NHC has to be on drugs to not retire this. (There is an explanation for why Harvey's grade is so low in the "Other Info" section)
 * <font color="#900">Irma : <font color="#807">~100% , <font color="#0B3">B - A catastrophic beast that raged through the Caribbean, causing a trail of devastation along the way. Florida was impacted as well, as it was very destructive there. This was the most powerful storm ever recorded in the Atlantic outside of the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico. There is no logical reason why this won't be retired. (There is an explanation for why Irma's grade is so low in the "Other Info" section)
 * <font color="#ff8f20">Jose : <font color="#33D">1% , <font color="#00F">A+ - It was very long-lasting and briefly threatened the Lesser Antilles. A total of 70 advisories were issued (the most since Nadine '12), and it almost became a C5 at one point. One indirect death occurred due to rip currents off of New Jersey. Overall, Jose caused only minimal damage.
 * <font color="#ffe775">Katia : <font color="#07F">10% , <font color="#0F0">B- - 2 deaths give this a higher retirement chance than Franklin. Doesn't appear that there was much damage though.
 * <font color="#ffc140">Lee : <font color="#779">~0% , <font color="#00A">A++ - An amazing storm that began as a weak TS. After its initial dissipation, we all wrote this off as a pathetic fail. Well, guess what: It later regenerates and rapidly intensifies to an epic winning C3! And this was all done while out to sea. The Atlantic win of the year! Lee was also a tiny hurricane and rapid intensification could have been kinda expected due to its size, which is why it did not get "A+++(x∞)". If it reached C4 strength or higher, it would have received that grade for sure.
 * <font color="#ff6060">Maria : <font color="#807">~100% , <font color="#0B3">B - Completely devastated Dominica after becoming the first C5 on record to make landfall there. Puerto Rico was also sent into a humanitarian crisis after Maria made landfall there as a powerful and dangerous C4. Other islands around the region were severely impacted as well. North Carolina was briefly threatened in Maria's later life, with rip currents all along the east coast. This b**** will not be returning in 2023. (There is an explanation for why Maria's grade is so low in the "Other Info" section)

Any named storms that are currently active will be added here when the storm(s) dissipate. Storms that are still active after a succeeding storm has dissipated will be added as a placeholder.

Retirement percentage colors: <font color="#888">0%, <font color="#779">~0% , <font color="#66A">0.00001% , <font color="#55B">0.1% , <font color="#33D">1% , <font color="#11E">2.5% , <font color="#00F">5% , <font color="#03F">7.5% , <font color="#07F">10% , <font color="#0BF">15% , <font color="#0FF">20% , <font color="#0FC">25% , <font color="#0F8">30% , <font color="#0F4">35% , <font color="#0F0">40% , <font color="#4F0">45% , <font color="#8F0">50% , <font color="#CF0">55% , <font color="#FF0">60% , <font color="#FB0">65% , <font color="#F70">70% , <font color="#F30">75% , <font color="#F00">80% , <font color="#E01">85% , <font color="#D02">90% , <font color="#C03">95% , <font color="#B04">99% , <font color="#A05">99.9% , <font color="#906">99.99999% , <font color="#807">~100% , <font color="#707">100% 

'''The "0%" and "100%" retirement chances are only used in PAGASA (the Philippines region). Check "other info" for the reason why.'''

Intensity colors: <font color="#0CF">TS (40-45 mph), <font color="#00faf4">TS (50-60 mph) , <font color="#ccffff">TS (65-70 mph) , <font color="#ffffcc">C1 , <font color="#ffe775">C2 , <font color="#ffc140">C3 , <font color="#ff8f20">C4 , <font color="#ff6060">C5 (160-180 mph) , <font color="#900">C5 (≥185 mph) 

Grading colors: '''<font color="#006">A+++(x∞), <font color="#00A">A++ , <font color="#00F">A+ , <font color="#03B">A , <font color="#068">A- , <font color="#086">B+ , <font color="#0B3">B , <font color="#0F0">B- , <font color="#8F0">C+ , <font color="#FF0">C , <font color="#FB0">C- , <font color="#F80">D+ , <font color="#F50">D , <font color="#F20">D- , <font color="#F00">F , <font color="#A00">Z , <font color="#600">Z-(x∞) '''



In summary...= Certainly Retired: Harvey, Irma, Maria

Likely Retired: None

Possibly Retired: None

Probably Not Retired: Cindy, Don, Franklin, Katia

Not Retired: Arlene, Bret, Emily, Gert, Jose, Lee

Projected retirement chances for currently active storms (could always change as time goes on):


 * Nate - Possibly Retired

Retirement chance ranges for:
 * "Certainly Retired": 90-100%
 * "Likely Retired": 60-85%
 * "Possibly Retired": 35-55%
 * "Probably Not Retired": 5-30%
 * "Not Retired": 0-2.5%

Replacement Names for Potential Retirements= All storms in the categories (or projected to be in the categories) Possibly Retired, Likely Retired, and Certainly Retired are discussed here. These are my favorite 10 names for replacement.

Harvey (Certainly Retired):
 * Henley
 * Harper
 * Harris(on)
 * Hyacinth
 * Harold
 * Herbert
 * Hampton
 * Harley
 * Hyde
 * Hilton

Irma (Certainly Retired):
 * Ivy
 * Ina
 * Izzy
 * Imogen
 * Indira
 * Isla
 * Ilse
 * Irina
 * Inga
 * Isa

Maria (Certainly Retired):
 * Mary
 * Martha
 * Minerva
 * Morgan
 * Molly
 * Melanie
 * Madison
 * Megan
 * Matilda
 * Monica

Projected - Nate (Possibly Retired):
 * Noah
 * Nathan
 * Nolan
 * Nick
 * Neil
 * Nelson
 * Nico
 * Nigel
 * Norton
 * Niles

Other Info= ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  03:27, July 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * The 0% and 100% retirement chances (without the "~" symbol) are only used in the PAGASA (Philippines) basin because it's the only known basin with retirement requirements. These percentages mean that it is absolutely sure that a name will or won't be retired.
 * This absolute certainty does not exist in other basins. The vast majority of basins don't have retirement requirements, so ~0% and ~100% are the lowest and highest possible retirement chances. "~" means asymptotically equal - which means it is so close to being equal that it is basically, well, "equal". ~0% means that the chance of retirement could be as low as winning the lottery and being struck by lightning within the span of one minute. Same rules go for ~100%, but this time it's the chance that it won't be retired that is insanely tiny.
 * The colors for the 40-45 mph TS and the ≥185 mph C5 are made up and not part of the official color classification. The "65-70 mph TS" color is the same as the "Severe Tropical Storm" color used in basins such as the WPac.
 * A+++(x∞) and Z-(x∞) is "A+ (times infinity)" and "Z- (times infinity)" respectively, referring to the + and - signs going on infinitely.
 * Since the grading goes down the alphabet, "Z" instead of "F-" would be best for pathetic fails.
 * EXPLAINS HARVEY, IRMA, AND MARIA: Damage and deaths affect a storm's grade. The more destructive/deadly a TC is, the more the grade will drop from its original intended grade. It can drop down by as much as a whole 2 letters (ex. from A to C) if it is one of the costliest or deadliest storms in history.
 * I see you changed almost everything on your retirements. I'd say, this is better than before. Hi!-68.106.0.77 05:02, September 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks! I changed my predictions to be more in-depth and realistic. Of course, new intensity colors were added and "F-" is now "Z". ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  18:03, September 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * A little odd that the very things that earn 100% get marked down in the letter grades.12.144.5.2 14:23, September 10, 2017 (UTC)
 * I did it for a reason. Storms that kill people and are very devastating don't deserve the highest grades. For example: if I gave Irma my highest possible grade or even anything close to it, it might seem insensitive to victims of Irma, for anyone who had friends/family affected, etc. It just seems wrong to give storms like Irma their highest possible grade, because in my opinion, it feels similar to cheering on a storm that is about to devastate a city. So for the top costliest hurricanes on record or for the top deadliest, a maximum of a 2-letter reduction is necessary. Harvey and Irma both got the maximum reduction due to their extreme damages. And to clarify, "2-letter" reductions don't apply to storms that would otherwise get at least A++. The distance between A++ and B- is the same as A+ to C+, A to C, etc. So what appears to be less than a 2 letter drop is actually the same amount of reduction. ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  05:50, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * So what is the point of the grade?...killing people is a reason storms get retired.12.144.5.2 06:21, September 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know that. I grade every named storm that forms, even the destructive ones. Grades and retirement chances have absolutely no association, in fact the opposite. The lower the retirement chance, the higher the grade will be unless it is a failure TS. Weak TS's almost always get a very low grade because they have not performed well at all (but exceptions could be made if they formed at a very unusual time or location, or surprised forecasters). Grades are meant to be for how well a storm performed, taking into account how well it defied forecasts (or didn't), or how strong it became (or lack of strength). They also take into account unusual locations, unusual time of year and longevity. Destruction and deaths factors in just because the devastating ones are monsters that strike fear into everyone, are infamous and hateful. The point is that every storm deserves a grade, but I can't give the really devastating ones the highest grades due to how insensitive it could appear to victims and those who had friends/family affected. These devastating storms are universally hated as well - who would give such a vengeful monster an A++? The highest grade that the most devastating storms ever (like Katrina, Harvey, Irma, Sandy, or Haiyan) could receive is "B". That is probably one the highest grades possible that doesn't appear insensitive. On the other hand, Genevieve '14 would receive "A+++(x∞)" for being a great fighter, lasting so long, intensifying to a C5 much to everybody's surprise and not harming anyone. I hope you understand what I mean in my comments above, because I don't want to argue about this anymore. ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  05:27, September 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * Steve, if you'd like, you could make a separate tab for your personal grade of each storm and another tab solely for their chances of being retired, since you don't correlate the two. Ryan1000 19:44, October 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Nah, I'm fine with keeping it the way it is. I don't want to have too many tabs. ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  20:05, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

My Prediction of Retirements
Welp, ok. I guess I could make my predictions right now.

Credit for TG and Steve for this:

(Retirement colors:  0%, <font color="00CC00">0.01%/0.1% , 1% , 2.5% , 5% , 7.5% , 10% , 15% , <font color="CCCC00">20% , <font color="FFFF00">25% , <font color="FFCC33">30% , <font color="#CCCC66">35% , <font color="CC9966">40% , <font color="#FF9933">45% , 50% , <font color="#CC9900">55% , 60% , <font color="#663300">65% , 70% , <font color="#CC3300">75% , 80% , <font color="#CC0000">85% , <font color="#990000">90% , 95% , <font color="#330000">99% , 100%,  <font color="#0000FF">TBA , Fail% ) 

(Category colors: <font color="#00faf4">TS, <font color="#ffffcc">C1 , <font color="#ffe775">C2 , <font color="#ffc140">C3 , <font color="#ff8f20">C4 , <font color="#ff6060">C5 )

(Grading colors:  S, A++ , <font color="#00CC66">A+ , A , <font color="00FFCC">A- , B+ , <font color="00CCFF">B , <font color="#0099FF">B- , C+ , <font color="3333CC">C , C- , <font color="99CC66">D+ , D , D- , E , F , Z ) Note: The grading will come after the season ends.

50% or more=italics <p style="text-align: center;">Retirement Summary

<p style="text-align: center;">Definitely Retired (>95%): Harvey, Irma, Maria

<p style="text-align: center;">Probably Retired (70-90%): None

<p style="text-align: center;">Maybe Retired (45-65%): None

<p style="text-align: center;">Maybe Not Retired (25-40%): None

<p style="text-align: center;">Probably Not Retired (5-20%): Cindy, Don, Katia

<p style="text-align: center;">Definitely Not Retired (<5%): Arlene, Bret, Emily, Franklin, Gert, Jose, Lee That's it for now folks! Hi!-68.106.0.77 15:58, August 3, 2017 (UTC)

(Last updated: 68.106.0.77 22:45, October 4, 2017 (UTC))

Formerly: 70.190.5.175

Only real retirement candidate is Don (and maybe Hilary in the Pacific) if it gets the "Adolph"/"Israel"/"Isis" treatment. Don't see "Cindy" going anywhere TekkenGuy12 (talk) 03:47, July 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * UPDATE: Obviously Harvey's going. Irma looks likely to be retired as well. We'll see what happens. --TekkenGuy12 (talk) 02:40, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Retirement Predictions: A2.0

 * Arlene & Bret - 0% - See y'all in 2022, early surprises.
 * Cindy - 10% - Minor impacts but I do not see this getting retired after this season.
 * Don - 4% - 0.5% for its possible impacts in the Caribbean, 3.5% for the possibility it may go after this season due to political issues.
 * Emily - 0% - Surprisingly formed, but sorry it's a no. You're not going anywhere.
 * Franklin - 15% - Had notable impacts, but Mexico has seen worse.
 * Gert - 0.1% - That .1% is for being an incredible fishspinner, but to be honest we'll see Gert again in 2023.
 * Harvey - 100% - Now this is the name we will (most likely) not see in 2023. Thought to be a flop, but became a monstrous Category 4 after regenerating and made landfall in Texas at peak intensity. This may be one for the books. This is a storm that looks like a bad combination of Allison, Celia and Carla. At least 3 deaths have been reported so far, and the damage is now estimated to cost $2 billion. I just hope this won't be Texas's Sandy or Katrina, or a worse repeat of Ike. Never mind. This will surely go.
 * Irma - 100% - see Harvey. (The damage in Florida and the Leeward Islands is more than enough. She won't be back in 2023.)
 * Jose - 1% - longest-lived storm since Nadine, but minimal impacts.
 * Katia - 10% - Franklin 2.0, but a bit worse because of 2 fatalities.
 * Lee - 0.1% - Fail-lee-cia at first, but regenerated. Still, see you in 2023.
 * Maria - 100% - see Irma. This is Marie 2014's sinister sister.

That's it for now. Anonymous 2.0 (talk) 21:29, July 21, 2017 (UTC)

(Updated by Anonymous 2.0 (talk) 05:54, September 22, 2017 (UTC).)

Owen's Retirement Opinions

 * Arlene - 0% - She was another pre-season surprise, and became the strongest TC to develop in April, but like Ana of 2003, I don't see her going anywhere.
 * Bret - 0% - He came the earliest TC to develop in the MDR on record, but damage in his path was pretty minimal.
 * Cindy - 15% - I might be a tad conservative with Cindy just because the damage total is still unknown, but I've seen worse tropical cyclones not get retired.
 * Don - 25% - Again, to TG's point, put aside the minimal impacts. Due to just simply the media poking fun or expressing negative coverage at President Trump, it's quite possible the name Don and maybe even Hilary could be removed from the naming lists. (replacement picks: Dylan, Dominic, or Dane)
 * Emily - 0% - What a surprise, I slept through much of her though (I live in the Tampa Bay area) and the impacts weren't that bad. Just a bit of a rainmaker and some minimal damage here and there.
 * Franklin - 10% - With what data is available, I don't think Franklin is going to be retired. However, if a new report comes out showing significant damage, he could easily get his odds bumped.
 * Gert - 0% - Killed two people and defied the forecasts and became a beautiful C2, but it still won't be enough to be retired.
 * Harvey - 100% - There is no doubt that what could be the costliest natural disaster in US history will be getting the boot. (replacement picks: Hunter, Harold, or Harry)
 * Irma - 100%  - I'm left with no words. Only word I'm left with that I can say is catastrophic. Irma's gotta go. (replacement picks: Ilyssa, Ivy, or Imogen)
 * Jose - 0% - He put on a show and likely will become a Cat 5 in post-analysis, but he didn't affect anywhere significantly - thankfully.
 * Katia - 10% - More or less was a Franklin repeat and could've been much worse.
 * Lee - 0% - Almost failed us, and then came back to surprise us with another session of RI - in the middle of nowhere.
 * Maria - 100% - Not a chance that Maria stays. 2017 will be the first season since 2008 to see more than two names removed from the naming list as well as the first since 2007 to feature multiple Cat 5's because of this monster.  (replacement picks: Megan, Molly, Malia)

Owen 21:40, July 21, 2017 (UTC)

Leeboy100's Retirement predictions
My turn! Leeboy100 Hello! 18:24, July 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Arlene- 0%: Awesome early forming storm that stayed out to sea. Didn't do any damage, so Arlene is staying.
 * Bret- 1%: Caused two deaths, but other than that, impacts were minimal.
 * Cindy- 20%: Did some damage and caused flooding and tornadoes. But damage was relatively minimal. Most likely staying.
 * Don- 3%: Didn't cause any damage, but as some of you all have pointed out, it could receive the Adolph and Isis treatment. Hilary in the Pacific has a chance of going as well, for the same reasons. Update: Lowered chances to 10%. I never did feel too confident with Don being retired in the first place, but due to the fact that after it dissipated it was forgotten almost immediately, and also due to the fact that Harvey and Irma have overshadowed it, I feel even less confident that Don will go. Also, Bill was used (and not retired) in 1997, and at the time Bill Clinton was president. Update again: 3% because I feel even less confident.
 * Emily- 1%: Minimal impacts.
 * Franklin- 2%: Still no exact damage numbers, but it doesn't seem too bad. Thankfully, there were no deaths.
 * Gert- 1%: Defied all forecasts by becoming almost a major hurricane. Unfortunately caused two deaths due to rip currents.
 * Harvey- 100%: Preliminary damage costs are around $70 billion, with estimates saying damage is potentially  $190 billion!!  We won't be seeing the name Harvey again, except in the history books of infamous hurricanes. Replacement picks: Hank or Harry
 * Irma- 100%: Gone, there's no logical way it's going to stay. Massive destruction in the Caribbean, and in Florida. Not as bad as Harvey, but still a terrible storm nonetheless. Irma, or "Irmageddon" as I like to call her, will not be back in 2023. Replacement picks: Ivy or Isa.
 * Jose- 5%: Caused some damage, but very minimal. Stuck around for a while though. We'll likely be seeing him again in 2023.
 * Katia- 10%: Thankfully, didn't do as much destruction as feared. Unfortunately caused two deaths, but that's not enough for retirement.
 * Lee- L0L%:Just one word: awesome. Lee was a jokester. Looked to be weak at first, and then regenerated AND became a Category 3. I'm very happy with Lee's performance. Best part is, he stayed away from land, so he gets a 0%. But due to the fact that he stayed away from land, and got that strong, he gets a gold star. Good hurricane.
 * Maria- 100%: Gone. Without a doubt. Can we get non-destructive storms now? Three hurricanes having 100% chances at retirement is more than enough. Update: Definitely gone, due to the damage in Dominica and Puerto Rico. Update: The situation in Puerto Rico keeps getting worse and worse. Also, I'm hearing some reports that damage costs are rivaling the costs of Harvey and Irma. Again, gone without a doubt. Replacement picks: Megan or Molly.
 * Nate-TBA Currently active Has already caused 22 deaths, mudslides and flooding in Central America, less than 24 hours after being named. If these deaths keep going up, we might be seeing YET ANOTHER retirement candidate.

Ryan1000's retirement predictions
Well, I made mine for the other basins, so why not here?

Well, that's it...for now. Ryan1000 00:22, August 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Arlene - 0% - Became the first tropical storm to form in April since 2003's Ana, and it also stands alongside Estelle in the EPac as the most commonly used tropical cyclone name in the NHC's AOR track record, with this being the 11th time Arlene was used since 1959. And because Arlene didn't affect land, we're certainly going to see Arlene used again in 2023.
 * Bret - 1% - Caused minor impacts in the southern lesser antilles, with two deaths reported, and it became one of only 3 June storms in the Atlantic to form in this location, along with Ana '79 and the 1933 Trinidad hurricane. But it won't be retired.
 * Cindy - 15% - Somewhat damaging storm for the southeastern U.S, but it likely won't be retired. Cindy is also the second most commonly used Atlantic storm name, after Arlene and tied with Frances (9 uses since 1959), but since Frances was retired, and Cindy won't be, we'll see her on the list for the 10th time in 2023.
 * Don - 1% - Wasn't much different than Bret. I also highly doubt he'll be removed from the naming lists just because the current U.S. president just so happens to have the same name; if that does happen, I won't count Don as a real retirement (due to impact), just like how I don't count storms like Adolph/Isis/Israel as retired names due to impact, which is what I consider here.
 * Emily - 1% - 96,000 USD in damage is low for a U.S. landfalling TS; couple that with no deaths, and Emily probably won't go.
 * Franklin - 5% - Fortunately, no deaths have been reported from Franklin, unlike how Earl of last year killed over 90 people in Mexico, and damage probably wasn't too bad.
 * Gert - 1% - It's a shame that two people were killed from Gert due to rip currents, but otherwise it didn't affect land.
 * Harvey - 100% - Texas Governor Greg Abbott said overall damages from Harvey are likely to be between 150 billion and 180 billion dollars, considering it took 120 billion to rebuild New Orlenas after Katrina. It's very possible that Harvey could be the costliest natural disaster in American history, and he will, without question, be retired after this year.
 * Irma - 100% - Harvey's big sister. The Caribbean islands of Barbuda, St. Martin, Anguilla, St. Barthelemy and some of the Virgin Islands were utterly annihilated by this category 5 monster; Irma caused upwards of 10 billion dollars in damage to those islands alone, making Irma the worst hurricane in terms of both intensity and damage totals to hit the northeastern Lesser Antilles on record. Couple that with a category 5 landfall and widespread damage across northern Cuba and upwards of 50 billion dollars in damage across southwestern Florida, and Irma is one of the top 5 costliest hurricanes of all time. And like Harvey, there is absolutely no chance Irma will be reused in 2023.
 * Jose - 10% - Jose caused somewhat extensive flooding and surge damage in parts of southeastern Massachusetts and killed 1 person, but he doesn't hold a candle to the historic impacts caused by his two predecesors or Maria, and he's probably coming back in 2023. With that being said, it looks like 2017 fell short on having 3 consecutive retirements.
 * Katia - 6% - Likely caused similar damage to Franklin, but since Katia killed two people in Mexico (while Franklin killed none), she gets an extra percent, though it's likely still not going.
 * Lee - 0% - Redeemed his initial fail by coming back and becoming a major hurricane, but Lee was still a fishspinner.
 * Maria - 100% - Devastating storm, and the costliest hurricane for the Caribbean on record, eclipsing Irma's 10 billion record set barely two weeks beforehand. Maria unexpectedly strengthened to a category 5 hurricane when she struck Dominica, becoming the most severe hurricane to hit the island on record, and later hit Puerto Rico as a strong category 4 storm, their worst hit since 1928. With potentially as much as 50 billion dollars in damage to Puerto Rico, and 1-2 billion more in Dominica, Maria could be one of the top 10 costliest hurricanes ever, so there's no way she won't be retired.

Isaac's predictions
Here's mine: -- <font face="Courier New">Isaac829 <font face="Courier New">E-Mail  01:44, September 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * Everyone else - 0%.
 * Harvey - 100% - For the damage so far.
 * Irma - 100% - For damage in the Caribbean.
 * Maria - 100% - For damage to Dominica and Puerto Rico.

Puffle's prediction party
sorry for the cringey title (Retirement colors: <font color="#00F">0%, <font color="#02C">0.01% , <font color="#04A">1% , <font color="#068">2.5% , <font color="#086">5% , <font color="#0A4">10% , <font color="#0C2">15% , <font color="#0F0">20% , <font color="#2F0">25% , <font color="#4F0">30% , <font color="#6F0">35% , <font color="#9F0">40% , <font color="#CF0">45% , <font color="#FF0">50% , <font color="#FC0">55% , <font color="#F90">60% , <font color="#F60">65% , <font color="#F40">70% , <font color="#F20">75% , <font color="#F00">80% , <font color="#C02">85% , <font color="#A04">90% , <font color="#806">95% , <font color="#505">99% , <font color="#303">100%  ) (Category colors: <font color="#00faf4">TS, <font color="#ffffcc">C1 , <font color="#ffe775">C2 , <font color="#ffc140">C3 , <font color="#ff8f20">C4 , <font color="#ff6060">C5 ) ok credit to everyone who created le colors ok go: btw i wasnt rly paying attention until harvey happened

<font face="Ubuntu" color="#000001">Puffle •  <font face="Ubuntu">Talk  <font face="Ubuntu">Blog  02:00, August 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * <font color="#00faf4">Arlene : <font color="#ff00ff">no% - went in a circle and died. the end
 * <font color="#00faf4">Bret : <font color="#02c">0.01% - is this a joke. barely made landfall but eh.
 * <font color="#00faf4">Cindy : <font color="#04a">1% - literally landfalled in the same place as Harvey.
 * <font color="#00faf4">Don : <font color="#dead40">fish% - fish
 * <font color="#00faf4">Emily : <font color="#02c">waitwhat% - stop with the fails, and how was emily not retired
 * <font color="#ffffcc">Franklin : <font color="#02c">0.01% - ok
 * <font color="#ffe775">Gert : <font color="#ff00ff">lame% - fish
 * <font color="#ff8f20">Harvey : <font color="#C20000">100% - HOLY CRAP HARVEY. I PREDICTED THIS TWO YEARS AGO! (Also people are predicting that Harvey will cost more than Katrina.) Replacement idea: Hal
 * <font color="#ff6060">Irma : <font color="#C20000">100% - Irma killed my best friend Charles. However, the damage isn't looking too catastrophic in some places, but it will likely go, not just for the damage it's done in Florida, but for the damage it's done in the Leeward Islands, and Cuba as well. Replacement idea: Ivy
 * <font color="#ff8f20">Jose : <font color="#04a">5% - Went from threatening, to drunk in 2 days.
 * <font color="#ffe775">Katia : <font color="#04a">1% - Hit Mexico but did no damage. Earthquake was way worse.
 * <font color="#ffc140">Lee : <font color="#000">WHAT% - I'M SORRY LEE FOR UNDERESTIMATING YOU
 * <font color="#ff6060">Maria : <font color="#C20000">100% - Dominica and Putero Rico are about to be wiped off of this planet. Replacement idea: Macy
 * <font color="#000000">Nate : <font color="#000">???% - Active, but could literally go anywhere. Crossover to pacific? possible, but very unlikely. Minimal hurricane landfalling at gulf? It's possible, and likely, too. Already caused 22 deaths. 22. deaths. And it just got named. What.
 * <font color="#000000">Ophelia : <font color="#000">???% - Ophelia has not formed yet.


 * Puffle, please give credit to me too because I created the scale colors. T  G  5 YEARS OF TRACKING 00:29, September 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * And the grades are unnecessary, since it doesn't appear that you are using them... ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  04:51, September 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * kek done <font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#ff8100">Puffle •  <font face="Trebuchet MS">Talk  <font face="Trebuchet MS">Blog

KN2731's storm grades & retirements
Adding a color scale for the first time.

Grades:  A, B , C , D , E , F . These grades go by meteorological statistics alone, and do not reflect my opinion of any deaths or destruction that occurs; for that refer to the appended descriptions and retirement chances.

Retirements: <font color="#808080">0%, <font color="#FF007F">5% , <font color="#FF00FF">10% , <font color="#7F00FF">15% , <font color="#0000FF">20% , <font color="#0080FF">25% , <font color="#00FFFF">30% , <font color="#00FF80">35% , <font color="#00FF00">40% , <font color="#80FF00">50% , <font color="#FFFF00">60% , <font color="#FF8000">70% , <font color="#FF0000">80% , <font color="#990000">90% , <font color="#330000">100% .


 * Arlene – grade  A , retirement <font color="#808080">0% . Made April absolutely amazing.
 * Bret – grade  D , retirement <font color="#7F00FF">15% . At least it tried to do something before being sheared to shreds in the graveyard.
 * Cindy – grade  E , retirement <font color="#7F00FF">15% . Didn't look that tropical for most of its lifetime.
 * Don – grade  E , retirement <font color="#FF007F">5%  due to the media association with Donald Trump. Otherwise this was pathetic; it gets an E for going above 35 knots.
 * Emily – grade  D , retirement <font color="#FF00FF">10% . It tried, but wasn't particularly memorable.
 * Franklin – grade  B , retirement <font color="#0000FF">20%  for damage. One of a common type of storm that crosses the Yucatan before rapidly developing in the BoC.
 * Gert – grade  B , retirement <font color="#FF007F">5%  for the two deaths it caused. Really kept us waiting for a while, but eventually became a C2.
 * Harvey – grade  A , retirement <font color="#330000">100% . Powerful C4 that would have been great as a fish, but turned into a flooding nightmare for Texas and Louisiana. Really, did you have to give Houston 50 inches of rain?
 * PTC 10 – grade  F  (and a designation can't be retired). Was tipped to become Irma, but it busted.
 * Irma – grade  A , retirement <font color="#330000">100% . Well, what can I say. Ridiculously powerful storm, unfortunately wasn't a fishspinner. Goodbye.
 * Jose – grade  A , retirement <font color="#FF00FF">10% . Long-lived, powerful storm that thankfully didn't worsen things too much for the Leeward Islands after Irma.
 * Katia – grade  C , retirement <font color="#FF007F">5% . Didn't look too bad for landfall as a C2. Grade is C because it scuppered its RI phase.
 * Lee – grade  A , retirement <font color="#808080">0% . Rose up from the dead to become a major fishspinner. Well done, Lee.
 * Maria – grade  A  for the intensity, retirement <font color="#330000">100% . You're definitely going after Dominica and Puerto Rico.

~ KN2731 {talk}. Last updated: 12:47, October 2, 2017 (UTC)

Jdcomix's predictions
Jdcomix (talk) 02:03, August 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Arlene - Grade A, 0% - Fish storm, but in April. Awesome storm.
 * Bret - Grade C, 5% - You tried. Only chance is if an island country requests this for retirement, which I doubt.
 * Cindy - Grade D, 5% - Near hurricane strength storm in June, so I'll give it some credit for that.
 * Don - Grade E, 10% - Only reason I give this a higher chance of retirement than the others so far is due to the name being the same as the current President, but even that's a stretch. Pathetic storm either way.
 * Emily - Grade D, 5% - Hit Florida with some minor impacts, nothing really to warrant retirement, though.
 * Franklin - Grade B, 10% - Giving this a low chance of retirement because there were surprisingly no deaths in Mexico, unlike Earl last year.
 * Gert - Grade B, 0% - Fish storm, but the first Cat 2 of the year and an at an unusually high latitude.
 * Harvey - Grade B+, 100% - Bye Felicia!
 * PTC 10 - Grade F, 0% - Can't be retired, would have become Irma but busted
 * Irma - Grade A+++, 100% - Incredible storm, but knocked it down below an S rank because of the utter devastation caused all over the basin.
 * Jose, Grade S, 0% - Near category 5 that didn't cause any damage, just how I like it.
 * Katia -  Grade C, 5% - Not too much damage, but did kill 2 people.
 * Lee - Ongoing. Failicia at first, but regenerated and could become a hurricane out at sea
 * Maria - Ongoing, 100%. Ugh, you too?

Dylan's predictions

 * Arlene: 0% - In terms of impacts, this was nothing more than April showers over the open Atlantic, but as only the second purely tropical Atlantic storm ever recorded in the month, this was a welcome surprise.
 * Bret: 5% - Cool to see something so far south so early in the season, but this storm was low on impact, and I'm having a hard time seeing how Bret won't be back in 2023.
 * Cindy: 10% - Standard-issue early-season Gulf Coast TS.
 * Don: 2% - Ryan said it best, though should Don get the boot for political reasons, I'll second the calls in for my name to take its place ;) (I must admit that I blushed a bit when I saw them — thanks, fellas!)
 * Emily: 2% - Surprise formation, meager effects.
 * Franklin: 10% - That death toll (or lack thereof) is a very pleasant surprise. This gets as high as 10% from me because I don't buy the idea of a hurricane of any strength hitting Mexico without dealing some extent of damage.
 * Gert: 1% - For the rip current fatalities. Cool storm to watch, otherwise.
 * Harvey: 100% - There's no logical way it won't happen.
 * Irma: 100% - See Harvey.
 * Jose: 6% - Relieved that not only was Jose far kinder to the Lessers than was initially feared he would be, but he wasn't that bad for the U.S. East Coast either.
 * Katia: 11% - Though Katia unfortunately did not repeat the non-existent death toll of Franklin, she was otherwise scarcely different in terms of impacts.
 * Lee: 0% - Better luck in 2023, mate :/ Or in a few days, that too!
 * Maria: 100% - See Irma.

--Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 22:05, September 2, 2017 (UTC)

Rah's predictions!
blow a kiss fier a gun all wee need is somebodey to leen on 16:31, September 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Arlene: 0%, cool to watch her progress, especilly being all that far up north and the fact she was about in April, but see you in 2023!
 * Bret: 1%, Not sufficient/notable enough to warrant retirement.
 * Cindy: 5%, Ditto. Made landfall in the same place as Harv though. Forgettable storm.
 * Don: 2%, Ditto, but I don't see him going just because of all the Trump memes/media attention this storm got. SAD!
 * Emily: 2%, Ditto, just forgettable.
 * Frankie: 10%, Clumsy, caused a bit of damage but the good thing is that he was kind; no deaths! Just be careful next time, eh?
 * Gert: 5%, Knocked at my window when she arrived in Europe but apart from the surfing deaths, she wasn't that notable.
 * Harvey: 100%, THIS WILL BE GOING, NO DOUBT, UNLESS THE NHC IS ON A HIGH/ON DRUGS/DRUNK. 
 * Irma: 100%, DITTO! THIS MEGA-MONSTROUS STORM IS DOWN IN THE HISTORY BOOKS! THERE'S NO WAY THIS WOMAN IS COMING BACK! SAY HELLO TO IMOGEN 2023!
 * Jose: IDK%, too early to tell, but maybe Fabian/Nicole 2.
 * Kat: IDK%, too early to tell, but probably Frankie 2.

Whiplash's predictions
--Whiplash (talk) 04:03, September 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Harvey: 100% - Obviously.
 * Irma: 100% - Obviously.
 * Maria: 100% - Obviously.
 * Katia: 5% simply because Mexico retired Ingrid in 2013 because she hit on the same day as Manuel even though she wasn't that noteworthy by Mexican storm standards and Katia happened to hit on the same day as a big earthquake which might cause her to get retired.
 * Everyone else: See you in 2023!

Potentially for Don
Since Don has a fairly decent chance to go, I've set up some replacement names for him:


 * Dylan
 * Diego
 * Damien
 * Drake
 * Derek
 * Dale
 * Dexter
 * Drew
 * Darren
 * Daryl

Post below which two names you like. T G  5 YEARS OF TRACKING 13:58, August 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * I personally don't find Don's removal likely just because he has the same name as the U.S. president, but if he is removed for that reason, I'd like him to be replaced with Dylan. :) Also, add Darren and Daryl to those list of names. Ryan1000 00:22, August 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Have to agree with you Ryan. If this were to replace with Dylan, he will probably freak out. Hi!-68.106.0.77 01:32, August 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * I was going to make this comment earlier, but I will just post it here. Pardon my tone, but in my opinion, it is unlikely that Don will be retired simply because it happens to have a similar name as an incumbent U.S. president. Previous presidents and other prominent American political figures have had their names added on the Atlantic and Pacific naming lists without objection. For example, the name Georges was left on Atlantic List II despite President George H.W. Bush being head of state at the time and a presidential candidate for that year. Additionally, Bill, Madeline, Hilary, and Alberto were all used in a span of four years in lieu of potential connotations with notable Clinton administration figures (the Commander-in-Chief himself (whose birthday is today, August 19), Secretary Albright, the First Lady, and Vice President Gore, respectively). More recently, Ike and Laura were the chosen replacement names after the 2002 season, even though the former is a nickname for a former American president and the latter was the name of the wife of then president George W. Bush. Also, if we are going to remove Don, why not remove Michael, the (formal) name of our current vice president as well?
 * Nevertheless, here are five additional potential replacement names should Don be removed:


 * Dusty
 * Dominic
 * Draco (Any Harry Potter fans?)
 * Dante
 * Devan


 * Also, I would consider removing Drew from your replacement name list, as some may find that name too similar to Andrew. I hope this helps!

Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  22:42, August 19, 2017 (UTC)

I find it only likely that Don would be removed along with the name of Hilary. I don't think they would remove one and not remove the other. Nonetheless, my three replacement name candidates would be Dylan, Drew, or Doug. Obviously, it would be cool to see Dylan's name get added to the naming list like my name got added onto the list last year to replace Otto, or Drew being added to the list for Andrew to have a name to associate with. Doug (third preference) is also an option. Yes, the name Douglas is on the EPAC list but that hasn't stopped them from using "Frank" and "Franklin, "Daniel" and "Danny" or even "Juliette" and "Julia". Also, the name "Frederic" had been retired and the name "Fred" had appeared on the naming list years later, so yeah, like Doug, it's a possibility and can't be ruled out. All three of those names are great options. Owen 07:42, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

I doubt that this will receive that treatment. But if it does, why not Dylan? 😝 Other names in Ryan and Andrew's list are also quite fitting. ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  14:41, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

This hurricane season will not be remembered for its "D" storm,I can't imagine a retirement of the name.12.144.5.2 04:30, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

For Harvey
Don has no chance of being retired this discussion is silly. Harvey hasn't made landfall yet but pretty sure he is going to be retired so lets make some H names. Thoughts? Any interesting ones I missed? --Whiplash (talk) 18:30, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hannibal
 * Hans
 * Hadrian
 * Handel
 * Hank
 * Harper - Personally would rather see this used for a girls name although it can be used for either.
 * Harris/Harrison
 * Hayden
 * Heath
 * Heinrich
 * Helmut
 * Henrik
 * Herb/Herbert
 * Horacio
 * Howard/Howie
 * Huey
 * Hugh
 * Hunter - Hurricane hunters chasing Hurricane Hunter lol...
 * Hyacinth - My personal fave


 * Howard was used in the Eastern Pacific last year. :/ It'll be used again in 2022, so that's out. I'd also add Harold and Henry to those names as possible replacements (note: Henri from list 1 is pronounced "ahn-ree", not "Hen-ree" so they're not as confusing as they seem despite being one letter apart). Ryan1000 19:31, August 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'd like to see the names Heath or Hugh, but those are too similar sounding to Keith and Hugo. My best pick would be Herman or Herbert. T  G  5 YEARS OF TRACKING 19:44, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * Herman might be confusing with Hernan, which was on the 2014 EPac list and is scheduled for 2020. Ryan1000 19:50, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * My best picks will be Harry, Howie, Herbert, Hans, Hank, Homer or Hal. Harley will be okay, but it reminds me of Harley Quinn instead. Maybe even Hannibal, Hubert (kinda similar to Humberto though), Homer, Huey or Hayden. (Update as of 9/18: I'll add Homer to my picks. It would be fun if Harvey and Maria will be replaced by Homer and Marge. Sadly, Lisa is on List II. Maggie and Bart will follow soon.) Anonymous 2.0 (talk) 22:21, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * My top three picks are Hayden, Harris, and Hank. Hadrian is kinda similar to Adrian though (which is on our current list for the EPac). Never forget Andrew, 25 years (1992-2017)-68.106.0.77 02:43, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * Two french names I didn't think about... Honore and Hilaire. Both of which are boys names. --Whiplash (talk) 14:39, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

I've always felt like Hank would be one of the first H names that the NHC would go with. It does seem like a name they'd choose. So, that's my pick. Leeboy100 Beware Harvey's fury, Andrew (25 years). 21:15, August 25, 2017 (UTC)


 * I would prefer a name that doesn't sound too/very old-fashioned. I'd prefer something more modern or timeless. I would not like that AT ALL. This naming list already sounds so old-fashioned and dated (is anyone even called "Gert" these days??) Anyway, here are my suggestions for possible "H" replacement names, since my instincs tell me Harvey is DEFO getting the boot:


 * Habib
 * Hackett
 * Haddon
 * Hadley
 * Hadrian
 * Hafiz
 * Hagan
 * Hakim
 * Hakan
 * Hal
 * Haines
 * Haile
 * Hagley
 * Hallam
 * Halstead
 * Hampton
 * Hardy
 * Hardik
 * Harald
 * Harley
 * Henrik
 * Helmut
 * Hendy
 * Henning
 * Henley
 * Hiroshi
 * Hilton
 * Homer (LOL)
 * Hopinks
 * Howie (oldish but okay I guess)
 * Hunter (HURRICANE HUNTER IS STRIKING FLORIDA can you imagine THAT being on the headlines? kek)
 * Hussain
 * Hyatt
 * Hymen
 * Hyde
 * Herrick
 * Huey
 * Hurst
 * Henrietto (LOL)
 * Henriettus (ANOTHER LOL)
 * Henriettito (HAHA KEK)
 * I must admit that H names for boys are quite old-fashioned with very little space for more modern names but I kept my list more "classic" I guess. HI IT'S HENRIETTE AND I'M AWESOME (talk) 22:46, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

My top 3 name replacement candidates for Harvey would be Harry, Harold, and Hunter. I think Hunter would be the most likely name to be chosen. Owen 05:05, August 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think they would choose Hunter though. People might confuse it with hurricane hunters. Anonymous 2.0 (talk) 18:12, August 26, 2017 (UTC)

If it's hans atlantic is frozen confirmed Hal is the best name for a Harvey replacement. Hurricane Hal, I love it <font face="Ubuntu" color="#000001">Puffle •  <font face="Ubuntu">Talk  <font face="Ubuntu">Blog  02:03, August 31, 2017 (UTC)

Harrison is my pick. TekkenGuy12 (talk) 02:44, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Going to go with Hans, Homer, or Hunter (which would be really funny). ~ KN2731 {talk} 09:29, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

If we had a Hurricane Horton...who would hear it?12.144.5.2 14:34, September 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Don't think Hunter will be chosen though. :P Anyways, I like Hannibal (sounds epic), Harris(on), Herbert and Hyacinth. Hardy, Habib, Halstead, Hampton, Harley, Henley, Hilton, Hyde, Herrick and Huey are fine as well. ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  14:41, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

For Irma
We all know Harvey is going to be retired, but Irma is a certain retirement candidate as well, due to her unprecedented devastation in the Caribbean islands and significant destruction in Florida. So, what are your thoughts on replacement names for Irma? Here's a few of my suggestions:

What are your thoughts? Ryan1000 07:54, September 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ian(n)a
 * Iara
 * Ina
 * Idette
 * Inga
 * Ilsa
 * Idina
 * Ivy
 * Idona
 * Idra
 * Isha
 * Ignacia
 * Ila
 * Isa
 * Iora


 * Irina, Ivy, Isa or Inga are my picks. Ilsa sounds like Elsa (which replaced Erika). Ignacia can also be used, though it is similar to Ignacio (which is being used in EPac). Anonymous 2.0 (talk) 08:37, September 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * My pick to replace Irma will be Ivy. Owen 08:44, September 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Added Isa. Ignacia is close to Ignacio, though we saw Martin replace Matthew earlier this year while a variation of Martin (Marty) was in the EPac, so Ignacia and Ignacio being used simultaneously isn't comletely out of the question. Ryan1000 08:56, September 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Inga was used in 1961 and 1969, the latter of which was the third-longest lasting TC in the North Atlantic basin. My suggestions are Ilana and Iora, though my personal favourite is Ivy (even though it's already been used 11 times in the WPac and five more times in the SHem). ~ KN2731 {talk} 09:27, September 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Take note that Irma was also used in the WPac for a number of storms, including a C5 in 1971 and a strong C4 in 1981 that killed hundreds in the Philippines (it wasn't retired after that though). So if it seems that (as if) NHC got Irma from the WPac lists, then why not Ivy? However, Irma was used in 1978 in the Atlantic; following that pattern, Inga can be a possible candidate as replacement for Irma. Then again, NHC is somehow leaning towards names that are more current/timely (or even trendy), i.e. Elsa for Erika, Julian for Joaquin, Imelda for Ingrid, Sara for Sandy, Ian for Igor, Martin for Matthew, Owen for Otto, etc. Anyway, this is just in preparation for the impacts of Irma in the northern Lessers & the rest of the Antilles (and eventually U.S.), who knows, Irma might change her mind and turn away from land. Anonymous 2.0 (talk) 11:16, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm. Ike......? Stacy54

Lol. That made me laugh. Anonymous 2.0 (talk) 14:16, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

I like Idina. It adds to the recent trend of Frozen themed names, lol. Jdcomix (talk) 14:31, September 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Isa, Ivy, and Iara are my picks.  Hurricanes, hurricanes, hurricanes! -68.106.0.77 14:33, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

Maybe I'll choose Ivy, Isa, Iora, or Irina. Ilsa sounds too similar to Elsa (to be used in 2021). We are kinda running out of "I" names due to the curse... ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  14:41, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

Ivy was retired as a typhoon name after a very strong one.Doesn't retiring a name in one basin and then using it in another sort of defeat the purpose?12.144.5.2 15:57, September 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Some extra names to consider, I personally am a big fan of the next name being Ivy or Inga since Inga has already been used before and not retired.


 * Ibolya - Fairly common female Hungarian name somewhat popular as a landed immigrant name as well.
 * Iggy - Usually thought of this as a male name but there are a few female instances of it too (Iggy Azalea).
 * Ilse
 * Iman
 * Immaculata
 * Imogene
 * Indira
 * Innocence
 * Irina
 * Isla - This has been an increasingly popular name lately.
 * Ivana/Ivanka - (Make a Trump themed list. ;))
 * Ixia
 * Izzy

Again I am rooting for Ivy as the next I name. (If we can use mythological names as well then Io would also possibly be on this list.) --Whiplash (talk) 16:18, September 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * I am going for either Ivy or Imogen. In my opinion, Ivana is too close to Ivan. Izzy is a variant of Isabel. I also would pick Iola, Idette, or even Inga. T  G  2 0 1 7 20:14, September 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * 12, that's not unheard of; in the Atlantic, Celia, Dora, and Hilda were all retired on the old naming lists and all 3 of those names are in use in the Eastern Pacific today, though none have been retired since. Also, Typhoon Ike was retired after 1984 and Ike was chosen to replace Isidore in 2002 (but was axed on his first usage in 2008), so it's not impossible for a name to be retired in one basin and used again in another. That has also happened with a number of SHem storms, though I can't name them all. Ryan1000 23:31, September 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * I bet the NHC would choose some lame oldish name such as Harold or Hank to replace Harvey. I wouldn't want that. I'd prefer Harper. As for Irma, I very much want the replacement name to be Imogen. I quite like Henriette's suggestions, by the way! Why didn't anyone comment? I'd pick one from her list! blow a kiss fier a gun all wee need is somebodey to leen on 150px-PrussiaChibi.png 16:24, September 6, 2017 (UTC)

I feel like it would be Ivy. Ivy (like Hank, see above) just seems like a name the NHC would pick, and I'm honestly surprised it hasn't been used yet in the Atlantic, though it has been used a few times in the WPac. Leeboy100 Beware Irma's Fury. Thinking of Texas. 18:36, September 6, 2017 (UTC)


 * The NHC suggested Ina and Ivy as possible replacements for Isabel in 2003, as well as Ida (which was chosen), so they may bring up those same names for Irma this time around. Ryan1000 01:53, September 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Those 2 names would be nice replacements, although Ivy sounds better (even though it has been used in other basins and retired in the WPac). I additionally love the names Izzy, Imogen, Iggy and Indira. "Innocence" would be hilarious if the name was used for a devastating, aka "not innocent" hurricane. That name would be best suited for fishspinners. :P Doubt Ivana/Ivanka would be chosen either due to political reasons. ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  20:34, September 7, 2017 (UTC)


 * So far, I like the following names: Ivy, Inga, In(n)a, Irina, Idina and Imogen. Is(s)a is also a good one. (Issa hurricane, lol. Just kidding.) Btw Steve and 12, Ivy wasn't retired in WPac. It was actually last used in 1994. The list was changed the following year. (@ Steve: Maybe you're referring to Iva, which was retired (or should I say removed?) in EPac.) Anonymous 2.0 (talk) 05:36, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd personally pick Idina, Ivy, or Isa for replacements. I don't personally want Ivana or Ivanka due to potential confusion with Ivan, another devastating "I" storm that was retired only 13 years ago, not necessarily due to political reasons (Ivanka Trump). Ryan1000 02:35, September 10, 2017 (UTC)

Here are some more: Andros 1337 (talk) 19:01, September 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Icelyn
 * Idalia
 * Idetta
 * Ieesha
 * Imiza
 * Inca
 * India
 * Indiana
 * Indigo
 * Inocencia
 * Italia


 * I highly doubt India will be chosen as a replacement name due to the country named India, seeing as how the WMO removed Israel from the EPac list in 2001 due to the country with the same name. Indiana is probably in the same boat, due to the U.S. state with the same name. Ryan1000 23:30, September 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably the same goes for Italia as well, since it is Italian/Spanish for Italy. Andros 1337 (talk) 16:19, September 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Is it too soon after Isabel to suggest Isabella as a replacement name? Otherwise, I'll go with Ivy as my backup pick. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 03:03, September 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Why not go with the name Ilyssa as a replacement for Irma? It's my new favorite pick, followed by Ivy and Imogen. The name Inga isn't out of the realm of possibility either. Owen 16:50, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * So while following #Maria on Twitter saw a person with the name Ivelisse. Looked it up to see if it was a common name and apparently appears to be a popular name in Spanish speaking and Caribbean countries. Could be a contender as well. Like this name a lot as well quite unique. --Whiplash (talk) 02:19, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

For Maria
Because we are probably going to be having this discussion anyways. M retirements are great because this letter has SO many names to pick from so instead of listing a bunch of possibilities like with I or H as they don't have as much variety I'm just gonna name my 5 favorite M replacement possibilities.


 * Manon - A French name that would be interesting to see
 * Medea - My runner-up.
 * Minerva - My personal fave.
 * Morgan(a)
 * Myra

Thoughts? --Whiplash (talk) 00:34, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Molly is my first choice by considerable distance, as it happens to be the name of one of my closest friends. Minerva, Melanie, Millicent, Mildred, and Morgan would also be good picks. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 00:49, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Millie
 * Molly
 * Morgan
 * Mollie
 * Mary
 * Madison
 * Maddison
 * Madelyn
 * Maggie
 * Minerva (please no)
 * Minnie (hell no)
 * Mackenzie
 * McKenzie
 * Magdelena
 * Mathilde
 * Matilda
 * Megan
 * Meagan
 * Mimi
 * Moxie
 * Monique
 * Maxime
 * Manon
 * Monika
 * Monroe
 * Margot
 * Maryse
 * Marta
 * Marit
 * Metta
 * Mette


 * What are your opinions? I would personally choose MONIQUE, MEGAN, MAXIME, MATHILDE, MIMI, MANON or MOLLY.  blow a kiss fier a gun all wee need is somebodey to leen on 150px-PrussiaChibi.png 01:25, September 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * Melanie, Molly, and McKenzie are my picks. Hurricanes, hurricanes, hurricanes!-68.106.0.77 01:11, September 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * Here are my ideas, what do you think?


 * Maxime is a boy's name silly-willy. Maybe you are thinking of Maxine? --Whiplash (talk) 01:28, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know how I managed to forget Meg(h)an but that's another name high on my list, probably second after Molly. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 02:23, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Maude doesn't seem to have been used.I would suggest Mariah,with its different pronunciation,but the "Paint Your Wagon" song with that different pronunciation actually officially spells the name "Maria" nonetheless.So we can't "call the wind Ma-RYE-uh" differently.
 * Melisandre?...Munia?12.144.5.2 03:23, September 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sad to see that a beautiful name like "Maria" has to be used for a monster. I choose Molly, Morgan, Madison, Minerva, Mary, Maggie, Mathilde, Matilda, Meghan, Monique, Melanie or Myra. And there could be many more that I like. There's so many "M" names to choose from. ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  05:13, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Maria is shaping up to be a strong retirement candidate if the current forecast pans out and Puerto Rico gets a strong cat 4 landfall from this, although thankfully the global models turn Maria offshore before hitting the Eastern U.S. as of now, hopefully that's the case down the road. My favorite pick would be Melanie, but Molly, Morgan, and Megan are also good choices. Ryan1000 09:28, September 18, 2017 (UTC)

Mara, Martha, Maxine/Maxie, Monica, Melanie, Molly, Mandy, Marge/Margaret, Manon, Meg(an). Those are my picks so far. My favorites are Martha and Marge, tbh. Anonymous 2.0 (talk) 14:53, September 18, 2017 (UTC)

My favorite to replace Maria would be Megan. Owen 16:50, September 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * Some more I guess...

Edit: Forgot about Miranda.
 * Magda
 * Marge
 * Marianna
 * Marina
 * Marla (I and M open time to add Trump's ex wives and make this the Trump themed list we always wanted)
 * Marlene
 * Meg
 * Megara
 * Melania (See above)
 * Missy
 * Misty
 * Mitzy/Mizzi
 * Mona
 * Mylene
 * Myrna

There are a lot to pick from here. --Whiplash (talk) 20:10, September 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * My best picks are Mae, Margot, Molly, Meg, and Minerva. Possible picks are Martha, Marge, and Matilda. The big no-no is Monica due to the storm of the same name that struck Australia in 2006. Mary is too close to Marie and Maria. T  G  2 0 1 7 20:44, September 18, 2017 (UTC)

My picks. Molly Mitchy Minty Monty Morgan Mexica Merry Mounds Moria Annnnnd..... MONICA!!!!! User:Stacy54 7:57 AM September 19.

Here are some more: Andros 1337 (talk) 23:40, September 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Macey
 * Maleficent
 * Margarita
 * Marisol
 * Marley
 * Martina
 * Meredith
 * Michelina

So many M names we need to stop... but I can't here are some more:


 * Mabel
 * Makayla
 * Maribelle
 * Marvina
 * Maven
 * Melvinia
 * Morticia - Lul if it gets this name.

I am literally going to be quite intrigued to see what the replacement M name will be. Probably one of the more common ones obviously but will be interesting to see if they pick a less popular one. Do we know what some of the suggestions to the WHO were for Michelle or Marilyn? --Whiplash (talk) 04:31, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

For Nate
Due to the deaths and flooding that has already occurred in Central America, and the forecast track into the Gulf Coast, it is safe to say that Nate may already have a decent chance of retirement.

There are quite a bit of male "N" names, so I'll choose some of my favorites:


 * Noah
 * Norris
 * Nolan
 * Nick
 * Neil
 * Nelson
 * Nico
 * Nigel
 * Norton
 * Niles

There's also more, but it'll be too much to list every single one. But I'll go and pick out some more:


 * Neal (similar to "Neil")
 * Nathaniel (similar to Nate, a bit doubtful this will be chosen)
 * Nadir
 * Niko
 * Nevan
 * Nat
 * Nikolai
 * Nathan (similar to Nate, a bit doubtful this will be chosen)
 * Nacho (doubt the NHC will pick this though :P)
 * Norwell
 * Nilo
 * Ni(c)colo
 * Nilsen
 * Nyle
 * Niall (Horan :P)

Any more interesting names?

~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  22:48, October 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I don't really think that NHC will choose Nathan or Nathaniel because they are same as Nate. Hurricane Fred (talk) 23:13, October 5, 2017 (UTC)Hurricane Fred (talk) 23:12, October 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Noah and Nigel are my picks for the replacement if it does occur. T  G  2 0 1 7 23:37, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Fred, those names are not really the same (the spellings are different, for one). Nate is a nickname for Nathan(iel) and it's possible that the NHC could choose nicknames (or alternative names or variants). But it's not as likely. ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  23:59, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Generically
Without regard to particular letters of the alphabet,what do people think makes a good hurricane name? I prefer that they not be particular modern,without being cobwebby.I suppose one might try for "wimpy" names in the course of wishing for storms to be gentle,but I have this sinking (not to 25inHg I hope) feeling that the tropical systems won't care what we call them."Major Hurricane Fluffy has triggered mudslides washing the remains of Resort City into the sea,after the soil was left waterlogged amid the wholesale devastation wrought by Hurricane Bambi and Hurricane Cuddles..." 12.144.5.2 00:10, September 17, 2017 (UTC)

UHHHHH.... (French Narrator) The very next evening... (French Narrator) Sinba? Beware of Maria.

Post-Season Changes
Surprised no one added this section yet, but so far we've had Arlene, her TCR came out two months ago. Anyone have thoughts on what we might see post-season? Ryan1000 15:53, September 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I wonder if will we get TCRs for potential tropical cyclones.-- <font face="Courier New">Isaac829 <font face="Courier New">E-Mail  19:21, September 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * An investigation into just how many records Irma set.(Klotzbach has linked to an obsolete PDF of Irma's records on Twitter today).Post-2005 we had some upgrades,if Irma actually outdid Allen they'll want to figure it out.12.144.5.2 19:27, September 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna be bold and say Jose will be upgraded to a Cat 5 post-season.-- <font face="Courier New">Isaac829 <font face="Courier New">E-Mail  01:42, September 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thoughts: Cindy may go up to 55 knots, Emily will probably be found to have formed earlier and get an upgrade to 45 knots, Jose will probably be upgraded to C5, and Katia will probably be found to have formed earlier. ~ KN2731 {talk} 05:02, September 10, 2017 (UTC)

I wonder what will be done with PTC Ten. Could it potentially be designated as an unnamed subtropical storm? Andros 1337 (talk) 19:16, September 13, 2017 (UTC)

I have the feeling Jose will be upgraded to a C5, it looked more organized the hour before it was upgraded to 155 mph. Leeboy100 Hoping for recovery. 20:06, September 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * I definitely think that Jose will be upgraded to a C5. I also think Emily and Harvey will get an upgrade. Emily had a 45 kt peak and Harvey had a peak of 120 kt over land. The most likely thing to happen, however, is Irma getting an upgrade to 165 kt. T  G  2 0 1 7 22:15, September 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how the NHC will treat potential tropical cyclones after the season; if PTC 10 gets a report it may be upgraded to an unnamed storm post-season. If Jose doesn't make landfall, I'd like him to be upgraded to a cat 5 so we can have at least one Atlantic cat 5 to never make landfall anywhere at any intensity. Ryan1000 23:35, September 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * After contacting the NHC myself, one of their forecasters said that, if a potential tropical cyclone is not upgraded to a TD or TS in reanalysis, it will only get a best track line and data, but not its own tropical cyclone report. So PTC 10 this year won't get its own TCR (assuming its not upgraded in reanalysis), but it will still get mention in their best track record. Ryan1000 02:36, September 15, 2017 (UTC)

KN2731 made this kind of table for reanalysis tropical cyclone reports on the EPac forum page, I'll add this here for the Atlantic too. When a TCR comes out, you can put it in the proper column for that storm, we'll have a side-by-side comparison with operational and reanalysis intensity as well: Hopefully this helps with identifying intensity upgrades/downgrades. Arlene's pressure was knocked down by 3 mbars in reanalysis thus far. EDIT: Slightly changed, this'll make it look better. Ryan1000 20:35, September 26, 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for helping to copy it over. ~ KN2731 {talk} 11:22, September 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * And soz for the late response on this. But I agree with Jose being a Cat 5 since its close to 160 mph. Hi!-68.106.0.77 00:28, October 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * That table is very neat. I would give a chance for Jose being upgraded to a C5, and Irma could be upgraded to 190 mph. PTC 10 has a chance of being upgraded to something (sub)tropical. Harvey's windspeed could be slightly upgraded as well. ~ <font face="Impact"> Steve   Talk Page  My Edits  📧  22:55, October 5, 2017 (UTC)