Forum:2013 Atlantic hurricane season

Only June 01 2013 00:00:00 UTC until the Atlantic hurricane season starts...

Future start
Coming in slightly more than one month :D.-- Isaac829 E-Mail  19:41, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Could be earlier than that Isaac as the Euro,cmc and Gfs are hinting and actually showing sub tropical storm Andrea near the Florida coast in a week.even though is not likely it could very well happen.Allanjeffs 14:58, April 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks kinda interesting, if this happens, it would be the second straight year with pre-season activity, like 2007-2008. While I think it'll be a while until we see Andrea, it's not out of the question we could see pre-season activity. No invests thus far this year; the last two seasons had some pre-season invests, including one that almost developed in early February last year. Ryan1000 15:18, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I spy with my little eye...a blob in the GOM. This might have a chance if it doesn't crash into Florida. Ryan1000 12:56, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * That it would crash it would I think after it cross Florida it may have a chance.Allanjeffs 16:42, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Meh, it's dead. Andrea will come later on. Ryan1000 18:12, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually Ryan right now after Crossing Florida it looks the best it ever have if wasn`t for the front coming we may actually get something.Allanjeffs 20:34, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, because of the front, I don't see much from this. The weather pattern this year is odd, with record heat, rain, and even snow in May, but I really don't know what the hurricane season will have in this ENSO-neutral season. The jetstream is in an odd position in the central U.S, but I don't know what this will mean for U.S. landfalls or impacts as 2013 progresses. 2005 was also ENSO-neutral, but that year had perfect conditions year round; it just didn't stop. I doubt 2013 will be like 2005, but it's not impossible. Ryan1000 15:54, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Atlantic hurricane season has begun! Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  00:09, June 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * 5and a half ours for me for the season to start.Allanjeffs 00:32, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Betting pools
Atlantic and East Pacific. We have some new sections this year, and a modification for the pressure section for ranges of pressures instead of specific numbers. Also, the Hall of Fame is open, in case anyone wants to put their thoughts there. Ryan1000 22:15, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

November
Looks like the season is truly over; oh how I DETEST this season! It was going to be a grand one but thanks to atmospheric conditions it looks like we will NEVER EVER EVER get a decent hurricane going. For God's sake, WHAT IS GOING ON?! It's not about forcing happiness. It's about not letting the sadness win. 22:51, October 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * For crying out loud, IT'S ALMOST NOVEMBER. (Happy Halloween woooo!!! XD) We haven't had a major this year at all. It is IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A FREAKING DECENT HURRICANE in the Atlantic right now (strong but stays out to sea.) Looks like we are in a hurricane ice age AFAIK. God!  It's not about forcing happiness. It's about not letting the sadness win. 22:54, October 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * The models were showing a couple storms within the next couple weeks, but they have been dropped. UGH! -bashes head in computer- FOR CELESTIA'S SAKE JUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! And don't tell me to wait till 2014, this year's naming list was so cool. It's not about forcing happiness. It's about not letting the sadness win. 22:57, October 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Liz, it may be November, but that does not mean the Atlantic will be any less destructive. Even inactive seasons can produce freak Novembers. For instance, 1994 was in the same shoes 2013 was. Only five tropical storms, one (Chris) which became a hurricane, had formed by the end of October. But that November turned the season upside down. First came Florence, which nearly became a major over the open Atlantic, then Gordon, which was terror for Haiti. In addition, 1956 hurled out this November surprise, Greta. Several late season surprises (Michelle, Paloma, Kate, and Lenny) have come before, and who knows? Maybe 2013 will have a raviging Melissa or Nestor! Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  22:10, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

I agree that there is a slight chance of us seeing a powerful storm in November, but statistically speaking nearly 19 out of every 20 storms that have ever formed in the Atlantic have formed before this time of year. Furthermore, the only storms in history to ever form in November and become major hurricanes were the 1912 Jamaica Hurricane, Kate of 1985, Lenny of 1999 and Paloma of 2008, the other November majors were crossovers from October. Oh and, recap from October:

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

TROPICAL CYCLONE ACTIVITY IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC BASIN DURING OCTOBER WAS NEAR NORMAL IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF NAMED STORMS...BUT BELOW NORMAL WITH RESPECT TO THE NUMBER OF HURRICANES. TWO TROPICAL STORMS FORMED IN THE BASIN DURING OCTOBER...BUT NEITHER REACHED HURRICANE STRENGTH. BASED ON A 30-YEAR (1981-2010) CLIMATOLOGY... TWO NAMED STORMS FORM ON AVERAGE IN THE ATLANTIC BASIN IN OCTOBER... WITH ONE BECOMING A HURRICANE. A MAJOR HURRICANE FORMS IN THE BASIN IN OCTOBER ABOUT ONCE EVERY OTHER YEAR.

FOR THE SEASON OVERALL AS OF THE END OF OCTOBER...THE 12 NAMED STORMS IS SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE AVERAGE VALUE OF 11...BUT THE 2 HURRICANES TO DATE IS WELL BELOW THE AVERAGE OF 5.8. ALSO...THERE HAVE BEEN NO MAJOR HURRICANES THUS FAR IN 2013...WELL BELOW THE AVERAGE OF 2.6. IN TERMS OF ACCUMULATED CYCLONE ENERGY...WHICH MEASURES THE COMBINED STRENGTH AND DURATION OF TROPICAL STORMS AND HURRICANES...TROPICAL CYCLONE ACTIVITY THROUGH THE END OF OCTOBER WAS ABOUT 70 PERCENT BELOW THE 1981-2010 AVERAGE.

The Atlantic would have to have a miracle in November to break even with ACE. None of the reliable models predict any serious development in the next week, and NHC doesn't expect anything in the next 5 days. There is a slight chance we could get another storm in mid to late November, but with the way this season has gone, it wouldn't surprise me if we get nothing at all through the remainder of the season. Ryan1000 23:36, November 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow, the Atlantic has been extremely pathetic this season. This season's ACE is absolutely horrible! I don't think we will pull a 1994 November, but anything could happen. In fact, we might get nothing at all during the rest of the season. —Steven09876 Talk • Contribs 01:34, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

AOI.South of Hispaniola
Atlantic's not completely dead I guess. This little guy is at 10% south of Hispaniola. It will drift into the Western Caribbean over the next few days, still under generally unfavorable conditions. Ryan1000 12:50, November 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Melissa anyone? Yeah, not gonna happen. This AOI will just die out without becoming tropical, and I don't think the Atlantic will get anymore storms during the rest of the season. —Steven09876 Talk • Contribs 19:29, November 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with Steven. This AOI is going to deal with a truckload of dry air and wind shear. I doubt it will develop. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  21:46, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! GET THE BUNNIES! THEY'LL MAKE MELISSA FORM! AAAAHHHH!!! WHAT is going on? And what on EARTH is that thing in Western Africa? A tropical wave? AAAAHHHHH!!!   It's not about forcing happiness. It's about not letting the sadness win. 21:48, November 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Liz, the "thing" near Western Africa is a low-pressure vortex; they tend to be common near Morocco. I doubt it will become tropical because only two tropical cyclones to my knowledge have developed near that area, Vince '05 and Delta '05. The bunnies can try, but poor Melissa may need to wait for six more years. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  22:13, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * AAAAAHHHH! VORTEX! AAAHHH! IMMA GET SUCKED INSIDE IT!! AHHH! The bunnies, though, are SUPER RAINBOW SPARKLER BUNNIES that work for Princess Celestia, and they WILL MAKE MELISSA AND NESTOR THE DONKEY FORM! Stop Snapchatting, bunnies, AND GET TO WORK!  It's not about forcing happiness. It's about not letting the sadness win. 22:18, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * -gives Melissa milk bottle- That might make Mel strengthen up so she can become big and strong.  It's not about forcing happiness. It's about not letting the sadness win. 22:20, November 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * The bunnies keep snapchatting. This AOI has not gotten any better organized, and Melissa may not get the fame she wants. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  00:42, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * -seizes iPhones from bunnies-  It's not about forcing happiness. It's about not letting the sadness win. 01:04, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

NHC expects this to drift a bit to the southwest over the warm waters of the western Caribbean Sea, but due to high wind shear in the area, NHC still only gives it 10% for 5 days. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't develop at all, given the rate it's going. Ryan1000 15:14, November 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's off the TWO now. I think this season is now over, and I don't think we will ever see Melissa this season. God, the Atlantic has been very terrible and pathetic this year! —Steven09876 Talk • Contribs 02:51, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

AOI: Over Atlantic
True, it may be too late now to even produce a hurricane. But the Atlantic fails to stop! We got a new AOI that could develop between Bermuda and the Azores. It has a 20% chance of becoming a tropical cyclone in the next five days. Based on all the fails we produced this season (except Humberto and Ingrid), I forecast peak winds of 30 or 35 knots. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  22:04, November 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I kinda expect Melissa from this. Kinda do. "DA NEST" might come too. I wonder if Mel would form on November 20? If she does, then we'll share birthdays, hooray! :D Anyway... I really don't know about strength though! Nester might come next week, perhaps? We might even have a Kurylenko coming right up after Nester, Nesta, Nestor, Nestaranka, however it's spelt lol. Bur remember the quote from Russell Brand: "Strength does not have to be belligerent and loud." But here in the UK, we're kinda waiting for Christmas to come. Lol.  POTATOES ARE AWESOME BECAUSE I'M A BANANA 22:44, November 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think we will see much from this. Yeah, it could become Melissa, but it'll only be a weakling, with my predicted peak of between 35-50 mph. —Steven09876 Talk • Contribs 00:12, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it looks like this is up on the TWO. 10% for two days, but 50% for 5. It appears like it will run into some shear and cooler waters, so it might acquire subtropical characteristics before it becomes tropical, but either way this won't affect land, aside from, maybe producing a wave or two on Bermuda. Ryan1000 13:57, November 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I really do not want another weakling. Remember when we were all frustrated with 2011's lack of intensity? The inactivity this year is even worse! All the other NHem basins have made up for their dreaded activity (WPac did so with the record-breaking October, NIO through the recent activity burst, EPAC through Raymond). Our ACE is currently at 29.9425! Even 1997, the quietest season of the Atlantic active era, had a better ACE than we do right now! Let's hope this AOI dies quickly. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  14:20, November 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I actually want Melissa it might be a re-shary or Sean, we might get Nestor too the next week,and I prefer another fail than nothing at all.Allanjeffs 16:03, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, due to shear and cooling waters, I think this will be Subtropical Storm Melissa if it forms, it may become a hurricane when it rockets out to sea in the long run, but it won't get past cat 1 if it does so. Ryan1000 18:34, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Currently, it's still at a 10% chance of development in the next 48 hours and 50% for the next 5 days:


 * TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
 * NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
 * 100 PM EST SAT NOV 16 2013


 * FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...


 * 1. A NON-TROPICAL LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM CONTINUES TO GRADUALLY DEVELOP
 * OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC OCEAN SEVERAL HUNDRED MILES TO THE
 * SOUTHEAST OF BERMUDA. ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS COULD BECOME
 * CONDUCIVE FOR THIS SYSTEM TO ACQUIRE SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL
 * CHARACTERISTICS EARLY NEXT WEEK WHILE THE LOW MOVES NORTHWESTWARD
 * TO NORTHWARD. THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF
 * BECOMING A SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE 48
 * HOURS...AND A MEDIUM CHANCE...50 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A
 * SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT FIVE DAYS.


 * Maybe we could see Melissa from this, and in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it pulls a Shary and becomes a hurricane while rocketing out to sea. I still hope we don't get another epic fail though. —Steven09876 Talk • Contribs 20:36, November 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * up to 20% should be an invest soon.Here comes Melissa might be the gran finale of 2013 or might be Nestor depends if another nontropical low takes place.Allanjeffs 23:49, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * When will Melissa form? I hope November 20! I want her to be my birthday buddy! Anyway, there is something swirling in Trinidad, what is that? Wind shear in the "MelArea" and the Southern Caribbean is relatively low. So wut people? WHOOPEE FOR YOU MELISSA, LET'S HAVE A PARTY.  “I don't think you can define love.”- Harry Styles 01:28, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

98L.INVEST
For those who are sick of the constant fail storms of the 2013 AHS (besides Humberto and Ingrid, of course), I am sorry to tell you that you are likely going to have to deal with another "waste" of a name. Per Wunderground, this AOI has been invested and given the number 98L. As for the system itself, it is producing a large area of cloudiness and showers, and gale-force winds have been reported in the system (i.e. if upgraded, it will go straight to Tropical or Subtropical Storm Melissa). As the invest continues moving northward, it now has a 30% chance of becoming tropical in the next 48 hours and a 60% chance of doing so in the next five days. I can hardly believe such a beautiful name (Melissa) is about to go to a horrendous epic fail on the level of Jerry and Lorenzo! As I said in an earlier AOI along the lines of Otto's reaction to Dorian: "Melissa does not deserve to be Marilyn or Michelle's predesscor at all". Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  13:20, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Eh, there is a chance this could become a hurricane if conditions lighten up and if shear loses a grip of this thing as it heads north then northeast out to sea. Although it's likely it won't be a hurricane because, well, this is 2013... Ryan1000 15:01, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Even though this looks like another fail, I am in an extremely good mood today. It's my mother's birthday and I'm going to take her out to eat. *SHHHHH* don't tell her ;). Anyways about the invest, it doesn't impress me. Also, after Typhoon Haiyan's destruction through the Phillipines, I really don't want anymore hurricane strength storms. OK I'm leaving now, I'm hungry. leeboy100 (talk) 15:45, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Melissa is coming an fast the invest is getting its act together and it will probably be a re-Noel or Olga of 2001.The irony that this is the same list.Anyways Melissa of 2007 was an epic fail so I don`t see why you are sad Andrew.Allanjeffs 16:03, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Allan, I think Melissa is a very lovely name, and I do not think it deserves to be the name of any epic fail. Her 2007 incarnation was bad enough, and I do not want that to happen again this year. Anyway, with Invest 98L, it has gained some thunderstorm activity and organization has improved in the circulation center. The NHC now gives it a 40% chance of becoming tropical in the next 48 hours and 70% of doing so in the next five days. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  17:59, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey kids! It's time to use the "M" name...Melissa! As Andrew said above, its up to 40% (48 hours) and 70% (5 days). Looks like we could have another epic failure. Yeah, it might have an outside chance of hurricane status, but I doubt that, since it is 2013. Can't wait to see how much it epically fails. These failures are so hilarious xD. Anyway, here's what it says on the TWO:


 * TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
 * NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
 * 100 PM EST SUN NOV 17 2013


 * FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...


 * 1. A NON-TROPICAL LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM LOCATED OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC
 * OCEAN ABOUT 750 MILES NORTHEAST OF THE NORTHERN LEEWARD ISLANDS
 * CONTINUES TO PRODUCE WINDS TO GALE FORCE. THE ASSOCIATED SHOWER AND
 * THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY HAS INCREASED AND BECOME A LITTLE BETTER
 * ORGANIZED NEAR THE BROAD CIRCULATION CENTER...AND ENVIRONMENTAL
 * CONDITIONS APPEAR CONDUCIVE FOR THIS LOW TO ACQUIRE SUBTROPICAL OR
 * TROPICAL CHARACTERISTICS DURING THE NEXT FEW DAYS WHILE IT MOVES
 * SLOWLY NORTHWARD TO NORTHWESTWARD. THIS SYSTEM HAS A MEDIUM
 * CHANCE...40 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL CYCLONE
 * DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A HIGH CHANCE...70 PERCENT...OF
 * BECOMING A SUBTROPICAL OR TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 5 DAYS.


 * Could we see another epic fail? —<font color="darkblue" face="Tahoma">Steven09876 <font color="darkgreen" face="Tahoma">Talk • <font color="darkred" face="Tahoma">Contribs 19:25, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * (listens to "Donatella": Lady Gaga whilst getting ready for I'm a Celeb and typing this) Well, models are actually expecting Melissa to peak as a Category 2, beating Humberto to pulp. Well, I don't think she'll fail after all. Wind shear in the "MelArea" is decreasing according to Storm2k, lol. So, I don't think so, Steve. She'll be as beautiful as Aphrodite.  “I don't think you can define love.”- Harry Styles 21:00, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Liz, even if the wind shear decreases, Invest 98L is heading into a region of cooler SST's, so I am forecasting at most a 65 knot weak hurricane. Also, for the record, it is very rare for an Atlantic tropical cyclone to become a hurricane in November. As far as I can recall, only seven tropical cyclones have ever done it in reliable records - Greta '56, the seventeenth storm of 1969, Karl '80, Florence '94, Nicole '98, and Noel/Olga '01, and only Florence and Greta made it beyond Category 1 intensity. So I would not trust whichever model forecasts a Category 2. Also, to give an idea of how bad our intensity power outage is in this Atlantic season, our strongest storm, Humberto, reached a minimum pressure of 980 mbar. Even 2011 produced better intensity than 2013. To illustrate, if Humberto were a storm in 2011, his pressure would rank him as the season's sixth strongest storm, after Ophelia (940 mbar), Katia (120 kts/942 mbar), Irene (105 kts/942 mbar), Rina (966 mbar), and Philippe (976 mbar). In addition, Humberto would just barely exceed Sean (982 mbar) and Maria (983 mbar)'s pressures. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  22:32, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wanna know why? Humberto came in like a wrecking ball. LOL jk, but yeah, shouldn't he be lower mbar? Sean was only a tropical-subtropical storm LOL! #toobusytwerking  “I don't think you can define love.”- Harry Styles 22:38, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's 8 Andrew, you forgot Paloma of 2008, which also peaked above cat 1 (145 mph winds). However, I agree that this probably won't do much. It might become a minimal hurricane, but that's about it. Ryan1000 23:24, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Can believe both of you forgot wrong way Lenny of  1999 the strongest storm in November until it was discover that the 1934 or 32 hurricane that affect Cuba was a cat 5.Anyways it looks like Melissa is coming up to 50% whether we want it or not.Allanjeffs 23:39, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Whoops. Do not forgot Martha '69, Jeanne '80, Kate '85, Gordon '94, and Michelle as well, in that case. Liz, the Atlantic can produce huge pressure/wind diffusions. For example, Tropical Storm Delta in 2005 never made it to hurricane intensity, but had a minimum pressure of 980 mbar - which was Humberto's minimum pressure. Also, Hurricane Ethel in 1960 became a Category 5 hurricane, but it's pressure was only 972 mbar - for comparison, Hurricane Isaac last year had a minimum pressure of 966 mbar despite never making it past Category 1 intensity. I do not know what Invest 98L's minimum pressure will be, but it will not be very low. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  23:45, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there are quite a few we missed, if you go before 1950 there are at least 5-10 others. However, I still doubt this will become very strong if it forms. But since this 2013, we're probably gonna see another epic fail even if we're tired of them... Ryan1000 23:56, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Up to 90% Melissa is about to form, pressure of this invest is very low 995 and winds are 40knots.Allanjeffs 12:06, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

This is really looking like a subtropical cyclone; I would actually be surprised if it goes straight to TS Melissa. It'll probably be classified as Subtropical Storm Melissa before it's fully tropical, if it ever does. Ryan1000 13:22, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Subtropical Storm Melissa
CALLED IT!! I knew it would start out not fully tropical. Might become tropical later though. Ryan1000 15:47, November 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * PARTYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PARTY!!!!!! I mean, I DID NOT EXPECT THIS AT ALL!! WE HAVE A SUBTROPICAL STORM MELISSA WOOOO!! I'm actually party rocking hard right now! We can't stop, we won't stop... Expected to be a CAT 1 woooo!! PARTY!!!!  “I don't think you can define love.”- Harry Styles 21:04, November 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Melissa might become the strongest of the season is pressure is 987 and its winds are in the 60mph.N13 is here.Allanjeffs 21:18, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't believe that in a season with only two hurricanes, neither of them better than Category 1 intensity, we're going to have our latest end to an Atlantic season since Olga in December 2007. Current forecast takes Melissa to 60 kts, right under hurricane strength. Granted, if this thing reaches hurricane strength while subtropical, it technically won't be classified as the season's third hurricane because such a classification requires a storm to be fully tropical, but still; go, Melissa, go! --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 21:32, November 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * It will be tropical its almost tropical now,and I believe there was subtropical hurricane before like in the 60s.Don`t remember.Allanjeffs 21:59, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Subtropical Storm One in 1979 reached hurricane strength. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 22:01, November 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yay, we got Melissa! I hope this will become a subtropical hurricane, since that is a pretty rare occurrence and I've never tracked one of those before. I think it will become tropical later on though, and probably peak at around 80-85 mph (even though the NHC forecast only takes it up to 70 mph). —<font color="darkblue" face="Tahoma">Steven09876 <font color="darkgreen" face="Tahoma">Talk • <font color="darkred" face="Tahoma">Contribs 23:40, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe Melissa lost her chance of becoming a hurricane by now (although it could turn into a tropical storm). Ryan1000 18:14, November 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Melissa has lost her chance.Allanjeffs 01:24, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not just that, but it's weakened to 45 kts/988 mbar. Damn you Melissa -_- --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 02:49, November 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * She should be weaker imo.Allanjeffs 04:23, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Finally, Melissa is here! :) Simlover123 <font color="White">   20:17, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Melissa
Ryan called it again.-- Isaac829 E-Mail  20:57, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

ITS NY BIRTHDAY!! 15 TODAY!!! wooooo! And did she surpass Humberto's intensity?!? “I don't think you can define love.”- Harry Styles 21:16, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * No.-- Isaac829 E-Mail  21:30, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Eh, by now it doesn't matter anyways, it should die out in a day or two. Ryan1000 22:03, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Liz, Melissa didn't surpass Humberto's intensity. It did reach 65 mph and a 982 mbar pressure, which is only 2 mbar weaker than Humberto. At least Melissa became tropical, but I hate the fact it didn't become a hurricane. So far, we are at 14-13-2-0, which means only 2 out of 14 storms became hurricanes. God, the activity in this season was absolutely weak, even though we had a near-average number of named storms in this season. Hopefully 2014 will have stronger storms, and the ACE this year sucks! —<font color="darkblue" face="Tahoma">Steven09876 <font color="darkgreen" face="Tahoma">Talk • <font color="darkred" face="Tahoma">Contribs 00:06, November 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe the next year will be the same as this year because the negative pattern don´t want to move away.Anyways she became tropical just before dying nothing big at all.Anyways she might up the ACE to 30 before dying.Allanjeffs 02:33, November 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * We should count her time as subtropical as only wiki doesn`t do it the NHC and every other place do it.Allanjeffs 03:01, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * NHC doesn't count ACE while storms were subtropical. Either way though, Melissa has gotten a bit stronger as of late. The update statment says 65 mph winds, decent for this far north. It might cause some winds in the Azores soon, but nothing too severe. Ryan1000 17:02, November 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * They actually do.Yo can check the Descending dropsonde in facebook for more information.Anyways Melissa has now a pressure of 980 could be the strongest of the season at this rate.Allanjeffs 21:54, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * COME ON MEL!!! LET'S SMASH HUMBERTO TO SMITHERINES!! WOOOOO!!! lol being random XD Anyways, HAS SHE ALREADY BEATEN HUMBERTO?!!? HUH HUU HUH?!?! :D :D :D?!?!  “I don't think you can define love.”- Harry Styles 22:39, November 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * They are tied now.Allanjeffs 00:43, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, the tie is broken by the windspeeds; Humberto peaked a good 20 kts above Melissa, so it retains the season throne. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 01:53, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Or until the TCR comes out for both storms.-- Isaac829 E-Mail  02:14, November 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Dylan even though I am with you when the storms have the same pressure instead we should choose the ones that have highest winds sadly wikipedia takes by pressure so technically both storms are tied.Allanjeffs 03:33, November 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry it looks that now the policy have change now even though they have same pressure they take the winds into account.Cool I found the other policy to be not correct.Anyways they would be tie if it was a Gordon/Helene situation in which they had the same pressure and winds.Btw Melissa is goneAllanjeffs 03:37, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Post-Tropical Cyclone Melissa
We'd need to have something in December for this not to be the end of the season, so... hats off to the most pathetic hurricane season I've ever witnessed. At least it ended in a relatively cool fashion with Melissa. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 03:40, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

MMM we might still get Nestor before all is done.Remember 2003 with Odette and Peter. or 2007 with Olga.This season was the pathetic compare to recent years but better than others in the past.Anyways we might enter the era where storms get weaker.Anyways Oswald and Rusty are out of the lists.Allanjeffs 03:43, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ditto Megi's PAGASA name from 2010, Juan. Guess they decided to retire it retroactively. Its replacement for next year is José. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 03:47, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess this is hats off to the 2013 season. This year almost bored me to death, Ingrid and Manuel might make this year memorable to an extent, although it's not like Mexico hasn't seen bad hurricanes before anyways. I can't believe this season didn't at least have a category 2 storm. That's the first such occurence in the sattelite era, although 1907 and 1914 had no hurricanes at all. I guess they changed the policy Allan? They didn't count subtropical storms in ACE totals back in 2007/2008 with storms like Andrea, I hadn't heard they started doing it now. Ryan1000 05:56, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * With Melissa's dissipation, looks like this is the end of the season, unless we get a December surprise (which is probably not gonna happen). Hats off to the most crappiest, boring, and pathetic Atlantic season I've ever seen and witnessed since I began to track hurricanes in 2010. Unless we get a surprise, this season's grand total is 14-13-2-0, with only 2 out of 14 storms becoming hurricanes, and a total ACE of 33 (how low!). Can't wait for the start of the 2014 Atlantic season, which, despite predictions of El Nino, I hope for it to have stronger storms than 2013. Hopefully we will see a major next year too (that hopefully stays out to sea). —<font color="darkblue" face="Tahoma">Steven09876 <font color="darkgreen" face="Tahoma">Talk • <font color="darkred" face="Tahoma">Contribs 01:13, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ryan, what about 1968? --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 03:27, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, there were a few other seasons with that lack as well, 1968 is one. Let me rephrase that, it's the first non-El Nino year to have this (I said that below in the farewell section). 1994, 1986, 1972, and 1968 are the only other years since 1950 with no majors, but they were all El Nino years. Ryan1000 21:06, November 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, for the record, Melissa was not exactly an epic fail. For the record, its ACE is 3.3775. By the standards of any other season, that number would be extremely pathetic, but admist the TS spam of the 2013 AHS, Melissa generated the third highest ACE of the season (after Humberto and Ingrid), as well as the storm with the highest ACE that never exceeded TS intensity. I am not saying Melissa was a win, but it was not the worst fail possible either. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  12:57, November 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ryan in response for your question about ACE in terms of sts,this is what the NHC put in facebook "<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'lucidagrande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif;line-height:18px;"> In terms of ACE, the collective strength and duration of the season’s subtropical storms, tropical storms, and hurricanes, 2013 will likely end up as the sixth-quietest Atlantic hurricane season since 1950. " So there is your answer Ryan,hope I help :DAllanjeffs 21:18, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, so they did change the policy. ACE used to be only for tropical storms, I guess they decided to include subtropical in that too. That's only fair, if they can get named their ACE should be included as well. I don't know if 2013 signaled the start of an inactive Atlantic period, knowing we'll be in El Nino next year, but hopefully it does, the Atlantic has gone bonkers for every other year in the past 18 years that wasn't El Nino. We could use a quieter season, but I was hoping we'd get at least a strong fish major hurricane. Btw, I wonder where Eric went? Has he retired from the wiki or has he and everyone else been too bored at this season's activity? I was hoping he'd update more info on his Hurricane Hall of Fame. I liked Dylan's idea of bringing it up again during Hurricane Irene in 2011, and I'm hoping we can do that again sometime. Ryan1000 22:55, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, where is Eric? He hasn't posted since last year. Hopefully he will come back for the 2014 season, and I hope he isn't retired or anything. The Hurricane Hall of Fame needs to be updated too. I'm also glad subtropical storms are now finally included in the ACE. And yeah, 2013 might be the start of an inactive period for the Alantic, and 2014 might be even more boring than this year due to an El Nino. Here comes some more boring Atlantic seasons... —<font color="darkblue" face="Tahoma">Steven09876 <font color="darkgreen" face="Tahoma">Talk • <font color="darkred" face="Tahoma">Contribs 01:24, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Farewell
It won't hurt to start this early :P -- Isaac829 E-Mail  23:33, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Farewell? WHAT farewell? -_-  It's not about forcing happiness. It's about not letting the sadness win. 23:45, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Oh wait, never mind. Looks like the next 2013 storm won't come after all. It's not about forcing happiness. It's about not letting the sadness win. 23:49, October 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * We still have one month of hurricane season left, but we'd need a miracle to cover up the ACE hole we're in right now. The number of hurricanes the Atlantic had so far this season is the lowest number of hurricanes for any Atlantic hurricane season since there were none in 1914, although tied with 1982. Even so, that year was an El Nino year, while this season was neutral. There were also no major hurricanes this season, the first time since 1994 and the first time it ever happened in a non-El Nino year, as 1994, 1986, 1972, and 1968 were all El Nino years. There is a very slight chance we could have a big storm in November, but statistically speaking 94% of all tropical cyclones that have ever formed in the Atlantic have formed before this time of year, and with the way this year has gone, I highly doubt that will happen. We'd need a miracle in November to avoid those records this year, and given the current outlooks from the global models, it's not looking promising the Atlantic will get anything for the rest of the season. Ryan1000 00:07, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks like this might be the end of the season. I give up on the Atlantic, I just hate 2013's logic. I'm done   with the Atlantic this year. This sucks, but at least we don't have a Sandy or Katrina hitting the US. Simlover123 <font color="White">   02:47, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Less than 20 days before the end of the season...-- Isaac829 E-Mail  23:32, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * There's still a chance something could happen, but since none of the models are calling for it, I wouldn't be surprised if the season ends where it is now. Ryan1000 13:21, November 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Expect Melissa and maybe Nestor in the tropical Atlantic as they both are being portrait in all the models in 5 days.Allanjeffs 21:33, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * The GFS and Euro do see something that could possibly become Melissa in the Central Atlantic in 4 or 5 days, but it will likely be a subtropical-esque storm. I doubt anything they're expecting will be a strong hurricane, this could very well be the first non-El Nino year ever to lack a single major hurricane. Ryan1000 21:45, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ugh, hurry up Melissa. Do you want me to start calling you Not-So-Speedy Gonzales? Don't think so. Nestor, you donkey. You flipping long-eared donkey. Let's get a move on.  POTATOES ARE AWESOME BECAUSE I'M A BANANA 22:46, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * If Melissa and Nestor come this month, they will be weaklings, no doubt. The Atlantic is about over now, and this season has been really pathetic this year! Hopefully 2014 will be much better. —<font color="darkblue" face="Tahoma">Steven09876 <font color="darkgreen" face="Tahoma">Talk • <font color="darkred" face="Tahoma">Contribs 00:15, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking back on the post I made a few days ago, looks like Melissa won't be the weakling I thought. It actually has an outside shot at hurricane status, but only a weak one (C1 at most). I don't think we will see Nestor anymore, and Melissa could be the end of the season. —<font color="darkblue" face="Tahoma">Steven09876 <font color="darkgreen" face="Tahoma">Talk • <font color="darkred" face="Tahoma">Contribs 23:43, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Retirements at a glance
We have enough storms in this season to start this section (four), but nothing is worth retiring so far.

My predictions:

Andrea - 1% - It affected a variety of regions, but it is not going.

Barry - 0.5% - If Arlene (2011) was not retired for affecting the same regions as Barry did, it is not going as well.

Chantal - 0.1% - One death does not cut it in this case.

Dorian - 0% - It regenerated after everyone said it was done, but I doubt it will go.

Erin - 0.05% - There was some rain in the Cape Verdes, but if Fran (1984) was not retired for affecting Cape Verde, neither will Erin.

Fernand - 0.8% -The flood threats from Fernand, along with eighteen fatalities, make Fernand the season's deadliest storm, but it is extremely doubtful it will go.

Gabrielle - 0.1% - Some slight effects occured in Hispaniola, but it otherwise fell flat on its face. However, it did redeem itself.

Humberto - 0.01% - Humberto did break our TS streak. However, it is staying, despite minor effects on Cape Verde.

Ingrid - 10% - Ingrid does have a better chance than some of you think. It flooded up northeastern Mexico, and it is deadlier than Kenna and Anita, both of which got retired for primarily affecting Mexico. Depending on damage totals, my percentage should go up or down.

Jerry - 0% - Was nothing more than an epic fail.

Karen - 0.01% - Karen was slightly better than Jerry, but still, no way.

Lorenzo - 0% - An even worse fail than Jerry.

Melissa - 0% - In terms of pressure, Melissa is tied as our season's strongest storm, but still, no.

Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  00:06, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

STO12's Predictions


 * ANDREA: 20% Caused some impact to Florida and the southeast, but not significant enough for a retirement.
 * BARRY: 15% Torrential rains in Central America, but not enough impact to sustain a retirement.
 * CHANTAL: 5% Caused very little impact to the windward islands, no retirement for Chantal.
 * DORIAN: 5% No impact to land as a tropical storm. It's remnants and regenerated tropical depression status did more.
 * ERIN: 0% No impact to land.
 * FERNAND ? Predictions for Fernand will be released once the storm has dissipated.

<font color="#4169E1">ST✪12 02:02, August 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * But what about its remnants? Wouldn't the remains of Dorian have a possibility to cause at least some impact/damage? Jeffrey1998 (talk) 04:16, July 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, Dorian's remnants have a 10% chance of coming back. He still has a chance to do something. Ryan1000 10:43, July 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * You honestly think Dorian is going to regenerate? I don't and it's at 0% right now, so I was correct. Dorian was a fail to me, its remnants didn't do anything big. -.- <font color="#4169E1">ST✪12 23:11, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I said that two days ago, when it had a chance of regenerating. But now, he's dead. Dorian never did jack sh!t. Ryan1000 03:23, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Here's my predictions:

<font color="#00A" face="High Tower Text">Steven09876 <font color="#030">T 16:00, July 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Andrea - 5% - Caused some impact to the southeast, but too little impact for retirement.
 * Barry - 1% - Affected Mexico, but it will not be retired.
 * Chantal - 0.1% - Caused very little impact.
 * Dorian - 0% - Fail, but surprised us by regenerating after everyone thought it was done.
 * Erin - 0% - See Jerry.
 * Fernand - 10% - I never expected it to be as bad as this. It killed 18 people. But still, since Mexico rarely retires names, I don't think it is going.
 * Gabrielle - 1% - Not much impact.
 * Humberto - 0% - It became the season's first hurricane, but no land impacts, so no retirement here.
 * Ingrid - 15% - Lots of flooding in Mexico and 19 deaths, but considering Mexico's track record...
 * Jerry - 0% - EPIC FAIL!!!
 * Karen - 0% - Kinda better than Jerry, but still, it EPICALLY failed. It just fell flat on its face in the Gulf of Mexico!
 * Lorenzo - 0% - What an epic, epic fail. Along with Erin, Jerry, and Karen, it gets the Award of Epically Failing. This shall explain how much these storms EPICALLY FAILED!
 * Melissa - 0% - Impressive by this season's standards, reaching an incredible 65 mph. It didn't affect land and was subtropical during the first half of its life, so yeah, we have another hilarious fail.

RyanK is here: That's all for now. Ryan1000 16:19, July 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Andrea - 2% - Not much different from Alberto '06. Caused some flooding, but nothing severe.
 * Barry - 2% - Just like Bret '05. Some damage, some deaths, but for Mexico, it's not enough.
 * Chantal - 1% - I was really hoping to see more from Chantal, but it fell flat on it's face in the open Caribbean...Still, tack a 1% on it for the death in the Dominican Republic.
 * Dorian - 0% - It tried, but failed.
 * Erin - 0% - What a disgrace.
 * Fernand - 8% - Worse than Barry, but still not retirement-worthy.
 * Gabrielle - 0% - What a dissapointing storm...yeah it came back but still, it was weak and caused no damage or deaths.
 * Humberto - 0% - Our first hurricane, but didn't do anything other than bring a shower or two to Cape Verde.
 * Ingrid - 60% - Actually, scratch what I said before, this was pretty destructive. With 1.5 billion in damage and 23 deaths, we have a decent retirement canidate here. I don't care what Mexico says, I had no idea Ingrid was that bad. Do I think it will be retired? No, but those are definitely considerable numbers.
 * Jerry - 0% - Another fish, another failure...
 * Karen - -1% - ......
 * Melissa - 0% - A non-tropical fish, neat.
 * I love how you just skipped over Lorenzo lol. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 03:44, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * The amount of fail in Lorenzo is so strong I cannot disclose a percentage of retirement for him. Forgive me. Ryan1000 00:50, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can't be worse than Karen, now can it be? :P --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 01:36, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * -1% is being generous lol. I would go further negative if I wanted to. Ryan1000 04:54, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

'''THIS... IS... SPARTA!!!!''' I LIKE TRAINS 23:32, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Andrea = 5%. She did cause a bit of hype along the northeast but her impacts were not life-threatening, just too petty.
 * Barry "INNIT MAN" = 1%. That name did give me the creeps when I first saw it on the list but he is nothing more than a candidate for 2019's hurricane list.
 * Chantal >:) = 0%. That was absolutely dreadful.
 * Dorian Gray = -∞%. What the bloody hell was that? 
 * Erin = -∞%. FACEHOOF. EPIC FAIL. BOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Cape Verde will not do this, they didn't feel a THING from this shy kid!
 * Fernand= 5%. I just ate my free Nando's. Mexico, no way. This ain't going ANYWHERE.
 * Gabby = 2% OMG the second life, shadow of the dead! Canada didn't feel a thing.
 * Humberto the boss :) = 3% I LIKE TRAINS AND MINE TURTLES, THIS ONE PRODUCED A MASSIVE SHINY DOUGHNUT :O D'OH! (Iceland won't do it. Neither will Africa. I got the remnants from Humberto but he provided me with warm late summer weather earler this week. It was true, look up on ITV Weather.)
 * Ingrid = 38% Outshined by Manuel. Manuel was too evil.
 * Jerry "N00b" Springmouse = -93%. n00b. this n00b ain't going anywhere. superglued to the hurricane list for good. n00b
 * DAT KAREN = -27%. YOU PINKIE PROMISED!!!!!!!!1111
 * Lorenzo = NO%. All the ponies in Equestria are now crying. Please just donate £2 to the Royal Pony Safe Trust and you can make a difference. Thank you.

I thought I had done my already anyways.

Andrea:3% believe it or not she has been one of the most interesting so far but anyways just left some rains and three deaths. Retirement is out of the question.

Barry:2% Knowing Mexico for sure will not recommend this fail for retirement.They don`t even retire big hurricanes like Karl then this one is going to stay,I am pretty sure no ones remember a TS Barry in Mexico.

Chantal :1% Another system that sucumbs to the trade winds in the Ecab.Fail

Dorian: 1% and the parade of fail continues that 1% is just because he regenerate when the majority didn`t thought he will.

Erin:1%Did I really need to comment? It affect the Cape verde but if Fran in 1984 which I believe has been the most damaging and deadliest storm there which caused at least 32 deaths wasn`t retire then this one for sure will not for just rain

Fernand: 8% Not a fail but nothing that Mexico haven`t seen before

Gabrielle 1% She is finally out, that percent is for slight flooding in the virgin islands  and PR

Humberto 1% Our first hurricane and some rain to the cape verde islands but nothing more.His second life was a bust.

Ingrid: 10% I would love to give her a little more but she was not as bad as predict an Manuel is describe as being worse than her by Mexico news.So she is not going sorry.Manuel really put her at nothing now.

Jerry 0% Better than I imagine but still a fish and  a ts

Karen 0% Biggest troll of the season,she play with a lot of bloggers emotions,what she did was inexcusable.

Lorenzo 0% As a fail it comes as a fail it goes.Pathetic!

.Allanjeffs 21:56, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

We don't have anything that stands a chance of retirement so far, but I'll put mine in anyway:
 * Andrea: 4% - Caused some hype along the US East Coast, but the impacts weren't all that much. Basically what Liz said.
 * Barry: 2% - It killed 3 people, but considering the fact that those deaths were in the ever-conservative Mexico, retirement isn't happening.
 * Chantal: 1% - 1 death in the Dominican Republic, and it was very blustery in Saint Lucia. Blown to pieces before it could do much else.
 * Dorian: 0% - It impressed us by regenerating after being dead for a week, but it had no impacts on land, so no.
 * Erin: 0% - A bit of rain in Cape Verde, and zilch after that.
 * Fernand: 10% - Barry Plus. I did not expect as many as 13 people to die from this thing (the 5 in Honduras were from the precursor wave, so I'm not sure if they count), but if Arlene '11 didn't go, then neither will Fernand.
 * Gabrielle: 0% 3% - A waste of tropical energy.
 * Managed to regenerate and it's more impressive now than it ever was. We'll see what happens, but it shouldn't be too bad in Bermuda.
 * Cool to watch in its second life. Minimal impact in Bermuda, but I heard that flooding was apparently severe in the Virgin Islands. No damage or fatality figures as of now, though.


 * Humberto: 0% - We got our first hurricane out of Humby, but as far as effects on land go, it was nothing more than a re-Erin for Cape Verde.
 * Ingrid: 15% 55% - Worse than Fernand, but still not bad enough to warrant retirement . Manuel royally outshined Ingrid.
 * That $1.5 billion damage estimate is shockingly high. If Alex didn't get the boot for a greater damage bill and more than twice as many fatalities (Ingrid's 23-34 vs. Alex's 51-73), then it might not be wise to pin Ingrid's odds too high, but, as Ryan said above, the numbers more than qualify.

--Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 01:21, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Jerry: 0% - *facepalm*
 * Karen: 0% - Wanna hear a joke?
 * Lorenzo: 0% - Lawl.
 * Melissa: 0% - Impressive by this season's standards, but hell no.

Btw I discover that the Cape verdes are not a member in the group that represents the Atlantic basin that is why maybe Fran was not retire.I imagine that even if a storm affects Africa it will not be retire as they are not members of the same region.Allanjeffs 18:34, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Very interesting, Allan. This would also explain why Beryl '82 and Delta '05 were not retired. They both affected the Cape Verdes/Canaries to a considerable extent, too. (I don't care if Delta was a Greek letter name, it should have been retired!) Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  19:11, August 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, maybe in the future if a hurricane causes enough damage somehwere in Africa or in southern Europe (1842 Spain Hurricane), maybe the WMO could consider those countries for the North Atlantic group in the future. Andrew, as far as I know, the WMO discussed the naming lists in detail after 2005. Had the unnamed Azores subtropical storm been discovered operationally everything would've been pushed back 1 name, Wilma would've been Alpha, and we would've ended at Eta. The WMO said if a greek-named hurricane causes enough damage to warrant retirement, the name will be retired, but instead of being replaced with any particular name, the next time a hurricane season reaches the greek alphabet, the retired greek name will be skipped and the next one will be used instead (I.E. Alpha,  Beta, Gamma, if Beta becomes retired). No greek names in 2005 were retired, though Beta could've gotten a lot stronger if it remained offshore Nicaragua longer. I doubt we'll see any hurricane season in the near future that will go as far down the list as 2005 did, but with the way this active cycle has gone, anything is possible. Ryan1000 02:34, August 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Gamma shouldn`t have been retire because damaga was not enough and if one of them should had been retire would have been 2005 as it was the deadliest of all the Greek letters.Allanjeffs 05:04, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * You mean Gamma? And look at this and tell me damage wasn't severe. 19 people died and Delta wrought $364 million in damage. Considering all the destruction was on the Canary Islands, that's pretty bad. I'm not sure if it would've been retired if the Canary Islands were part of the WMO group that represents the Atlantic basin, but still. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 13:36, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm don't think Spain is part of the WMO's list of countries in the North Atlantic, but if it is, or was, they sure would've retired Delta if they had the chance. The only disasters the Canary Islands see that are worse than rare storms like Delta are eruptions from the volcanoes on the islands (uncommon) or massive earthquakes/tsunamis from the Azores-Gibraltar Transform Fault that caused the great Lisbon Earthquake of 1755 (extremely rare). But 19 deaths and 364 million in damage are definitely retirement-worthy numbers, especially for them. Ryan1000 15:23, August 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Dylan yes it was Gamma,and Spain is not part of the region only NAmer Central America and the Caribbean islands too.I believe Colombia may be but not remember I will ask my friend to give me the page again of the members,But the WMO can still ask for retirement if the country doesn`t ask that is the rule.I am not sure why they never ask for Gordon or Hanna though.Allanjeffs 21:18, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Gordon was not retired because Haiti, for some unknown (and possibly unexcusable) reason, did not send a delegate to the WMO retirement conference. I assume Hanna stayed for the same reason. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  21:26, August 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * In 1994 Haiti was suffering a civil war one of the worst of the country I imagine that is the prime reason as no one was interested in that kind of things in a period like that,Not sure with Hanna,and like I say if the country delegate don`t ask for retirement member of the WMO might.Allanjeffs 21:41, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well, even if Spain isn't part of the list of countries in the WMO, I bet that they could nominate a name if they so wished to. But the main areas are North America, Central America, the Caribbean, or, in the case of Fabian, Bermuda. If a big hurricane hits Spain/Portugal in the future I bet they could nominate it, but it's highly unlikely and they're in a pretty tight economic situation anyways. Asking for a hurricane name to be retired isn't likely something they would ask for. Ryan1000 22:25, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

My bets: -- Isaac829 E-Mail  22:17, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * All - 0% - *Presses button for failhorn*. I don't think anything could change my bet now.

Pretty much this. ^ Ryan1000 22:12, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

my turn

everything: 0%

leeboy100 (talk) 18:44, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Simlover has spoken: Simlover123 <font color="White">   01:07, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Andrea, Barry, Chantal, Fernand, and Gabrielle: 5% - Caused damage of some sort, but not enough whatsoever.
 * Ingrid: 20% - Even though Ingrid was worse than Fernand, Manuel beat her up in the end.
 * Everything else: 0% - Lots of fails.

I hope it isn't pretentious for me to place my estimates, as low as they may be, given my somewhat inactive and very new standing here on the wiki. Ah well, here we go anyway! Note: Percentages don't include non-damage based retirement probabilities, such as for political or other reasons for retirement (as has occurred in the East Pacific)

Andrea: 0%. Despite its early-season landfall and 4 deaths, we'll see Andrea again in 2019.

Barry: <1%. Damage and deaths in Central America and Mexico, but they've seen oh so much worse.

Chantal: 0%. Barely even existed, and impacts hardly worth mentioning.

Dorian: 0%. Bonus points for regenerating and lasting longer than most this year, but Dean's replacement is gonna be on the 2019 list.

Erin: 0%. Possibly THE most pitiful storm of the year, but it has stiff competition for that title in this boring year.

Fernand: <1%. Tropical Storm Barry Two: Barry Harder, coming to theatres Summer 2013! Death toll nowhere near high enough for Mexico to ask for retirement, but still second deadliest of the season.

Gabrielle: 0%. Well hey, she tried. More than I can say for several other storms this year. But no damage means no retirement. See ya in six years, Gabby.

Humberto: 0%. Ended our dreadful no-hurricane streak, but a pretty pitiful hurricane by the standards of any other year but this one. No retirement for this storm whose name always amuses me.

Ingrid: 15%. Incredibly, our worst storm of the season, unless something happens in November. I get the feeling that Manuel will get the blame for most of the deaths and damage, and given Mexico's track record with retirement, I doubt that Ingrid is going anywhere, though it has an outside shot. But at least the 'I' named storm was a hurricane this year again. Unless the final damage and death toll is several times higher than it is currently, Ingrid stays - and even if it does wind up costing a lot or causing tons of deaths, I doubt it's going... see Karl and Matthew, 2010.

Jerry: 0%. Along with Erin and Karen, biggest failure of the year.

Karen: -3.9%. ... I don't even think you tried.

Lorenzo: 0%. Still active, but... yeah, sorry, 2013's not gonna let you do anything worth retiring.

So yeah. In some alternate universe somewhere similar to ours, Ingrid may be briefly thought of by some met at the WMO meeting, but I doubt he/she will speak up, or it'll come out as 'Manuel' rather than 'Ingrid'. We'll more than likely join 2009 and 2006 as having the exact same name list again in six years, as nothing warrants retirement in the Atlantic this season. TheMagnificentEquusStorm (talk) 15:30, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Ingrid may have a small shot but I still doubt it.The damage right now is 1.5 billion dollars in damage I believe some damage of Manuel was estimate in Ingrid so that might be the reason is so high.but oh well I believe only Manuel is going but with the snoobs Mexico have done there is a possibility he is staying.Allanjeffs 16:39, October 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ingrid's damage might have been too high or too low, but it's the best shot at anything being retired thus far for the Atlantic. Ryan1000 20:11, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Mid-season predictions
This is the time of the season when CSU and NOAA issue their mid-season forecasts for the remainder of the season. To concide with their recent predictions, I will release my personal mid-season predictions in this section. If anyone else would like to have a say in the activity for the rest of this Atlantic hurricane season, please feel free to post it here.

For the remainder of the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season, I predict:

16 named storms (Pablo), 7 hurricanes, 3 major hurricanes, and an ACE of 155.

The 2013 Atlantic hurricane season has had a very weak start. Although we have had four tropical storms, none of them have been strong or destructive. My previous prediction called for 21 named storms, 13 hurricanes, and 6 major hurricane. However, this forecast assumed June and July would be hectic. In reality, these two months were pathetic. A good analouge for this season, in my opinion, would be 2003, 2007, or 2010. All three of these seasons had sluggish June-Augusts, but then imploded in September. 2013 is poised to do the same. Also, I think we could see a re-Isabel or re-Ivan this season. In addition, it should be noted both 2003 and 2007 had a power outage of strong storms. 2007 had plenty of storms (fifteen), but only one storm (Dean) lasted longer than a week. 2003 had three impressive major hurricanes (Fabian, Isabel, and Kate), but was otherwise a dud season, minus Juan. I think 2013 will also be devoid of many strong system. This is why my forecast calls for a truckload of storms, but a disproportionate amount of hurricanes.

Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  16:18, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Andrew 2013 has been extremely active.It already has 4 name storms.2010 have Danielle until August 21 so give it a chance.I believe we are going to get between 16 to 17 names storms 8 to 9 hurricanes and 4 to 5 majors.Allanjeffs 19:16, August 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think we'll get a very active season this year; my predictions in my blog could actually be lackluster, I wouldn't be surprised if we get an explosion of activity in late August and September and possibly even run the table this year. I'm predicting a total of 18-21 named storms, 7-11 hurricanes, and 3-6 majors. The heart of the season is still yet to come. Don't lose hope for this year just yet. Ryan1000 19:20, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll throw my hat in the ring and predict 13 named storms, 5 hurricanes, and 2 major hurricanes. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 01:00, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking 11 named storms, 3 (or 4) hurricanes, and 1 major hurricane. This is looking like a near-average to inactive season. <font color="#00A" face="High Tower Text">Steven09876 <font color="#030">T 02:29, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Steven, I think you are seriously underestimating the potential future activity for this season. The only reason we have not gone bonkers like 2005 or 2008 yet is because the SAL is keeping all these tropical waves in check. However, today, the SAL will depart the Atlantic for good, and from here on out, we could see a mega-explosion in activity. 1967, 1977, 1984, 1988, and 2001 had no hurricanes yet by this time in the season, yet all of them ended with at least five (1967 had six and 2001 had nine). 1961 had a record-dead August, but once September came, the Atlantic went nuts with five tropical storms, four of which (Betsy-Esther) ultimately became major hurricanes, and then had two major hurricanes form in October (Frances and Hattie). 1964 also went crazy after August (five major hurricanes formed after September 1!!!). The truth is, we actually have a long way to go, and now is not the time to write off the season. I now think 16 tropical storms, 8 hurricanes, and 4 major hurricanes will be our final tally. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  02:52, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm now thinking 14 named storms, 5 hurricanes, and 2 major hurricanes. Looks like the Atlantic might explode in September after all. But still, this season will be nowhere near the activity of 2010, 2011, and 2012. <font color="#00A" face="High Tower Text">Steven09876 <font color="#030">T 03:13, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this season isn't over yet. The Saharan Air Layer is starting to die down and the MJO will peak over the next two weeks. SST's are still above-normal for the Atlantic, and conditions are ripe for an explosion of activity to occur from here until say, late October. The two AOIs (one in the Central Atlantic, the other over Africa) have unfavorable conditions for now, but they could move into more favorable conditions later on. The Atlantic is far from dead; if you ask me it's just sleeping for now. But when it wakes up, it'll take off. Ryan1000 13:33, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because of the heavy shear and lack of the season to get on with it, I am downgrading my prediction to 14 total storms, 4 hurricanes, 1 major hurricane, and an ACE of 60. Unless we pull a 2001 explosion of activity, we are doomed. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  11:37, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised the Atlantic has been so lackluster in activity...the SAL and wind shear are more persistent than I (and many climate experts + NHC) thought they'd be. Ryan1000 15:03, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

I now predict that we will end at 12-11-2-0. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 23:11, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * FWIW, judging from the TCRs of Andrea, Dorian, and Erin, and the ATCF files of every other tropical storm, we currently have an ACE of 28.81. Slightly higher than I thought, but still absolutely pathetic. For comparison, last year's Nadine managed an ACE of 26.34 all by itself. Were the season's current ACE champ, Humberto, a storm in last year's AHS, it would rank in sixth behind Nadine, Michael, Leslie, Sandy, and Isaac, and less than half a point ahead of Gordon and Ernesto. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 21:34, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL, Humberto thinks it's 2012. LOL. Pinkie pie eg sigpic.png Rubber bands last longer when they are refrigerated. 22:07, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well, at least that is better than compared to 2004's storms. For comparison, Ivan (70.38), Frances (45.92) and Karl (28.4375) both generated higher ACEs than this entire season! In addition, Jeanne whipped 24.235 units of ACE by herself!! If Humberto was a storm in 2004, he would be bowing down to Ivan, Frances, Karl, Jeanne, Danielle, Lisa, Alex, and Charley! That is over 50% of all of 2004's storms. Now that illustrates how pathetic this season has been! Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  11:02, October 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * 2004 was 6th in the top 10 highest ACE of any season, despite the fact an El Nino formed that year, so El Nino years don't always guarantee quiet seasons. That's something to watch out for next year. Also, 2004 was one of the costliest seasons ever, and the costliest on record at the time (2005 and 2012 have surpassed it since then, and 2008 came agonizingly close). Storms with high ACEs are amazing to watch, but also very sadening when they wreck entire countries, as some of the storms in 2004 did. Ryan1000 12:33, October 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ryan 2004 was a Modiki el Niño and they are typycally as active as a Neutral year or even la Niña.2006 and 2009 instead were El Niño years and 1997 was a super El Niño.Allanjeffs 22:59, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * GUESS WUT.
 * If there is that "Very Very Very Cyclonic Storm" in India right now, then there MIGHT BE A BIG FAT cane comming in da Atlantik!! Might happen with Oktaiv in da Paciffik! Woooot!! XD Pinkie pie eg sigpic.png Rubber bands last longer when they are refrigerated. 23:06, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * My point was, El Nino year <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'HelveticaNeue',Helvetica,Arial,san-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16px;">≠  negligible year. We've had quite a few El Nino years before, aside from 2004, that were memorable years. 1972 was a very strong El Nino year -- so strong it had no major hurricanes, but Hurricane Agnes was the costliest hurricane in U.S. history at the time, and one of the deadliest as well. 1983 was a very strong El Nino also but Alicia was one of the costliest hurricanes on record at the time. 1992 and 1994 were also fairly powerful El Nino years but Hurricanes Andrew and Gordon, respectively, made those years quite memorable too. It's unlikely next year will be very active due to the expected El Nino by then, but that doesn't mean it won't be, and even if it's not very active with regards to ACE or named storms, it'll still be memorable if we get a big storm. While some El Nino years (like the ones you mentioned) are easily forgotten seasons, others can produce some of the biggest, most notable, storms ever. Ryan1000 22:21, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Post-Season Changes
This could've begun a little sooner, but Andrea's TCR was released on the 22nd, 8 days ago. Not much has changed, winds are still 65 mph (55 knots), and it caused around 25 million in insured losses and 1 direct death in NC, 3 indirect ones from traffic accidents. Anyone have opinions on what will happen post-season? I think there might have been a storm in the Atlantic in June earlier from what was 92L on June 6, if not a storm a brief depression. Ryan1000 19:40, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

I could see a slight change in damages for Barry, and a slight intensity upgrade for Fernand and Dorian's second life. And I doubt Invest 92L will be classified. I do not know whether or not it had a closed circulation. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  13:23, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Supposedly Ascat or oscat show a close circulation might be upgrade but it might not like 92L in 2010 which it wasn`t.Allanjeffs 00:56, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dorian and Erin are out. Dorian's pressure was raised slightly to 1002 mbar, and Erin's winds were given a bump to 40 kts. The recent TCR releases increase Dorian's ACE to 2.5725, and Erin's to 1.545. Still pathetic, but not quite as much as initially thought. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 20:52, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Chantal is out,she was the fastest moving tropical cyclone in the deep tropics with 28knots south of 20N since the satellite era her winds are up 65mph,and she had a minium pressure of 1003.4 are already out look like the poll for the last TCR will not be done this year.Allanjeffs 03:14, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Allan, Chantal's winds were estimated at 65 mph operationally as well, so no change there. The pressure is a slight decrease from the operational estimate of 1005 mbar, though. With four out of eleven TCRs already out, I think we should bend the rules and open the TCR betting pool early this year. Anyone agree? --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 03:20, October 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Dylan sorry I am so overcharge with projects I didn`t even remember about her winds.Sorry.I agree do it before all is done.Allanjeffs 03:39, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'll ping Ryan about it now. --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 03:54, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * There is still a chance we could see a few more storms through the rest of October (3 more weeks, possibly a notable storm or two as well), but if we don't see much by the end of October, we can open the TCR predictions in the betting pools by November 1st, a month before what I said back in december 2011 with Washi. Ryan1000 17:24, October 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Barry TCR is out.Not sure if they were any changes,but winds are the same.We need 7 more.Allanjeffs 20:21, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nothing's new with him, but we still might get a storm or two in October (still keeping a wary eye on 98L as it heads west). Again, if we get nothing big, we can start it by November, assuming we still have a few left by then. Ryan1000 22:06, October 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Allan, Barry's ACE has been raised from 0.565 to 0.7625. It is a small change, but still. Our ACE is now at 28.2175, which is still incredibly pathetic (as I described above three storms from the 2004 AHS alone generated a higher ACE than this entire season (Ivan, Frances, and Karl)!) Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  22:09, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't really give one on the TCRs except Humberto. Just waiting if they will improve this swaggalicious storm. Miley sigpic.jpg TWERK TEAM! 19:47, October 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * We have 6 out now (Fernand and Andrea new). Eh, I've changed my mind on the TCR's. Now that we have only 5 left, I think it would be best to begin it now. None of the reliable models show development in the next week, nor do conditions seem to favor it. We might still get one more storm, but I doubt we'll pull a Sandy this year. Ryan1000 19:46, October 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Gabrielle is out,was a td in the Caribbean instead of a ts.Allanjeffs 20:35, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * WHEN'S HUMBERTO COMING I WANNA SEE IF HE WAS A CAT 2 WOOOOOOOO AND FUNNY THAT WE COULDA HAD A NAMED TD LOL  It's not about forcing happiness. It's about not letting the sadness win. 20:36, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

(←)Liz, Humberto's TCR will come out whenever the NHC finishes it. I am not sure if Humberto was a Category 2, but it would be awesome if he was. In reply to Allan's post, I am surprised Gabrielle was that weak during her first life. That is really going to drag her ACE down. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  22:54, November 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * GABBY?! BOOOO FOR THE ACE! One does not simply bring down the ACE. LOL ANYWAY!! STILL WAITING FOR OUR RESIDENT PARTY ANIMAL, HUMBERTO, WOOOOO!!!  POTATOES ARE AWESOME BECAUSE I'M A BANANA 23:01, November 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Humberto might look like a cat 2 like Gabrielle looks a ts in the Caribbean and it wasn`t the same may apply to Humberto.Looks are not everything they might decieve,I forgot to say that Gabrielle peak intensity was up to 65mph and that if she was classified correctly this would have been Humberto and Humberto would had been Gabrielle.Allanjeffs 02:28, November 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I did not realize that occurence. It looks like Gabrielle was actually our eighth tropical storm of the season. I can name instances where a tropical storm technically formed before another one (e.g. Ingrid forming before Humberto in 2007), but the first depression became a tropical storm after the second depression did. Has this ever happened before in any basin? Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  02:56, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * (I got edit-conflicted with Andrew) I hope Humberto will be upgraded to a C2 post-season. It would be awesome if he was! Also, I can't believe how close Gabrielle came to hurricane intensity in her 2nd life, that it never actually became a TS in the Caribbean, and it was actually the 8th storm of the season. If Gabrielle never regenerated, then we would probably have the first named depression ever! At least it regenerated, or it would be one of the biggest name wastes/failures ever! —<font color="darkblue" face="Tahoma">Steven09876 <font color="darkgreen" face="Tahoma">Talk • <font color="darkred" face="Tahoma">Contribs 03:03, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL I don't really give one on TCRs unless Humberto is out lol. I want him to get to a C2 lol. I LIKE BRANDED APPLES!   POTATOES ARE AWESOME BECAUSE I'M A BANANA 22:51, November 15, 2013 (UTC)