Forum:Hurricane Hall of Fame

Hurricane Hall of Fame
Hurricane Maker has expressed interest in me resurrecting my Hurricane Hall of Fame. I started it several years ago as just a fun little project, but then I brought it onto Wikipedia and it kind of took off. However it has been dormant since I left Wikipedia in 2010. There has not been an official class since 2008. I always wanted to expand my voter pool and our little tight knit group here on the forums seems like the perfect choice. I was thinking of adding the HOF ballot to our yearly betting pools page. See the link for some background and the rules and guidelines I laid out (years ago...I recently upped the cost limits for automatic nomination and induction). The way it normally worked was that I would make a list of ten nominees from which five would be selected, but I'm definately open to suggestions. I've also developed a seperate Historical Electorate (akin to Cooperstown's Historical Committee) for storms prior to 1875. In the HE, three inductees are selected from a list of ten nominees. What do you guys think? -- SkyFury 23:50, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm interested. At the end of this year, we may add a HOF ballot to the end of this year's betting pools in all basins. I don't know how the selection round will go then, voting process? CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:27, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it would be a good idea, considering the fact that many people may express interest. Hurricane Andrew (444) 14:57, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Great idea, CS.10L.NONAME 20:50, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * My question is, if we're going to do this as an end-of-the-year thing, then does that have an impact on the "two seasons old" criterion for inclusion? Also, perhaps voters could submit their own nominations? --HurricaneMaker99 21:00, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * But then again this is the Hurricane Wikia. If we decide to keep the "two year seasons old" criterion, then voting pools can still happen every year, just that hurricanes will only be inducted once 2 seasons old. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:02, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. There's lots of hurricanes before 2009.10L.NONAME 22:55, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * The ones I personally want inducted are from '07 and '08; I asked in case anyone would have wanted to nominate any post-'09 storms. --HurricaneMaker99 22:58, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Should this be moved to a forum of it's own? YE Tropical Cyclone  23:07, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * What, the section or a new forum for the HOF? CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:08, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this should be it's own forum, like the favorite storms of 2011 forum I made earlier this year. The Worldwide activity discussion forum on the TC BasinNAV is for discussing worldwide activity of 2011. I also made one for 2012 as well, but it's made ahead of time. IMO Tip is no. 1 in the hall of Fame. Ryan1000 23:22, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think a separate forum page for this is a better option than the section. We had a huge debate over the same thing related to the WAD being in the EPac forum. The HHoH isn't Atlantic only so it shouldn't be in the Atlantic forum. Yqt1001 00:41, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Based on the current consensus...I'll go ahead and make a forum for the HoH and move this. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:45, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Like I said back when this was in the ATL forum, I think SkyFury should be writing this. Also why is it called 2011 HHoH? Not like the discussion relates to a year or anything. Maybe it could be changed to HHoH and then have another topic called "2011 HHoH Voting" when the time for voting comes? CS changed it. Yqt1001 01:07, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:13, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I clearly underestimated the level of interest. I come back 24 hours after I first brought it up and it's already got its own page. As the creater and founder of the Hurricane Hall of Fame as well as the keeper of the record, I feel like I should have final say as to how this is run. This is definately a democracy and I in fact want your input, but remember, this is my baby here. First, let me clear a few things up. Atlantic and East & West Pacific are the only basins included at this time. We can talk about expansion at some other time. Also, because of the shear volume of eligible, deserving storms, each basin gets its own ballot. The Wikipedia pages only list the Atlantic members. I have an Excel file on my computer with the entire list. Yes, Ryan, Tip was inducted with the inaugural WPac class of 2007. Also keep in mind that I started this as just a fun little thing. The first two Atlantic classes (2004 and 2005) and the only four Pacific classes (2007 and 2008 for East and West) were hand selected by me. It wasn't until 2006 that I brought the Atlantic ballot to Wikipedia and started running it like a real HOF. I can have my official list posted to this forum, if you guys would like, by this weekend. You will then be free to scrutinize my early selections. I think you will find them agreeable, but I'm willing to listen to grievances. -- SkyFury 08:50, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

The Nomination and Election Process
As I mentioned, there will be a list of ten nominees from which five will be chosen. Historically, I chose the ten nominees that were voted on. Obviously in this expanded format, we'll want it to be more democratic than that. However, I don't want a free-for-all with people just randomly throwing out names. I'd like it to be more controlled than that. One idea I dabbled in a while back was the "Pool of Twenty". I could propose a list of twenty storms that we could discuss. Names could be added or subtracted per consensus. For example, if there's a storm that's not in the Pool of Twenty that you guys feel merits more consideration than one that is in the Pool, they can be swapped. Me whittling it to twenty would greatly expedite the selection process while still allowing you guys plenty of say.

It's important to keep an open mind. Remember what I said about recentism. The HHOF goes all the way back to 1800 (the Great Hurricane of 1780 received a special exemption). That's a lot of history. Each of the nominees has to measure up fairly with any storm over the past 200 years. I would strongly encourage you guys to do some research on our candidates. The selections should be in keeping with the principles I laid out on the Wikipedia page. Also, we shouldn't drag out this voting process. I'd like the nominees to be decided on within a week's time. We could push it longer, but let's shoot for one week.

Once the ten nominees have been decided, I'll let you guys stew on them for a few days (maybe a week) during which you will each decide on your list of five. That will be your ballot. Then, on a pre-selected date (don't worry, that's not strict...we can accomodate stragglers), we all submit our ballots. Once the ballots are in, the inductees can be determined two different ways. We could set it up so that the five that appear on the most ballots are in. This would set up an engaging debate when the inevitable tie occurs to decide the final one or two spots. Or we could say the storms that appear on a majority (>50%) of ballots are in. This also allows room for healthy debate should fewer than five meet this requirement. Either one would be fine, but I don't want it set up like the Baseball Hall of Fame and others where a certain percentage is required to get in. Five is a good number. Unfortunately, there have been no shortage of devastating, as well as curious and record-breaking, storms worthy of enshrinement. - SF

Voting Schedule
Now, I generally like to do the ballot in May or June, when excitement about the coming hurricane season is high. By November, I think we're all pretty much hurricane-ed out. Also May/June is right around the time we're doing our betting pools. However doing it at the end would allow us to start this year, although we may do something special for the Ressurrection Year. It also fits nicely with the "two seasons" rule. I'm flexible on when we do the vote, but it can be no earlier than December and no later than June. Like I said, I'd prefer to do it in May, however if we chose May, then we may want to do a special resurrection vote this fall. - SF

The "Two Seasons" Rule
Let me explain the two seasons rule: As a staunch opponent of recentism, I don't want nominees to be too fresh on the minds of voters (you guys). Under the two seasons rule, two full seasons must pass before a storm is eligible. 2008's Hurricane Hanna, for example, did not become eligible until the conclusion of the 2010 season. This is regardless of whether we decide to do the vote in December or in the spring. This is one of the rules I'm not too flexible on. - SF

Historical Electorate
Because the Atlantic pool is so vast, given the depth of the historical record, and there are so many old storms worthy of enshrinement, in 2007 (the same time I established the East and West Pacific Halls) I created the Historical Electorate. Under this format, the main ballot would be restricted to storms from 1875-present and storms prior to 1875 would be voted on in the HE. Based on Cooperstown's Historical Committee, the HE would consist of a seperate list of ten nominees from which you guys would select three inductees. For the sake of time and to reduce the research load on you guys, I will probably select the ten nominees. - SF

Boy, that's a lot isn't it! Yeah, I've had six years to think about this. I'm sure there are other details to hammer out but this is a good breakdown of the major talking points. Please post your comments under the section to which it is relevant. For general discussion of the HHOF itself, post in the main section above "Rules and Organization". Thanks! -- SkyFury 08:50, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. Now we'll have to wait till' post-season. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:22, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is three or two months away. 10L.NONAME 01:23, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Should we begin it now? Or wait until December? I think 2011 has pretty much ended. Ryan1000 18:37, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Almost done... Cyclone10 Contributions  21:26, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * One more day... Cyclone10 Contributions  21:25, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's post-season. When should we begin? Andrew444  Talk  Blog  Contributions  23:45, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully it will begin soon. I'll wait for Eric to come and introduce the nominees. Ryan1000 11:27, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sometime soon.   Cyclone10   Talk    Contribs    Hurricane    01:28,12/10/2011

Anytime would be good now, but Eric probrably has a lot of work to do. I'll wait until he's ready. I think Hurricane Faith could be a good player, and it could be my no.1 pick for meteorological aspects, if not Wilma or Ike(strength and size). In terms of impacts and how long it will be remembered, I think no. 1 is either Katrina or the 1900 hurricane IMO, possibly Mitch(the U.S. isn't the only country affected by Atlantic hurricanes, not like we need to "care more"). Ryan1000 01:14, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'll pick Igor for size and strength. I also will pick Karl and Yasi for damage (any basin, right?). That's it for me.   Cyclone10   Talk    Contribs    Hurricane    01:28,12/10/2011

For strength, Wilma. Size, Tip. Impacts, Ike. Andrew444 Talk  Blog  Contributions  01:50, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

And Cyclone10, you forgot the "two seasons" rule (and the fact only the Atlantic, East Pacific, and West Pacific are available). Andrew444 Talk  Blog  Contributions  02:02, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'll pick Typhoon Tip (1979), 1975 Pacific Northwest hurricane, and the Perfect Storm (1991). Cyclone10 Contributions  03:03, December 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the delay guys, I completely forgot! December was crazy. I should've done it in January over the break but it just slipped my mind. Whenever you guys feel ready is fine with me. I've posted the "Pool of Twenty" for the Atlantic ballot as well as the Historical Electorate finalists for your perusal. A lot of the storms you guys mentioned in the comments above are already in. There are thresholds for automatic induction. If a storm killed more than 2,000 people and/or caused more than $10 billion in damage, it is automatically inducted. For storms prior to 2000, the damage figure is adjusted to 2004 inflation (the year the HHOF was founded). Storms that are automatically inducted do not count among the five electees and are not subject to the Two Seasons Rule. In the future, I'll post a full list of current members to this page. There are currently 86 Atlantic members. -- SkyFury 08:04, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Pool of Twenty (Atlantic Basin)
Remember, this is the Atlantic vote only. Other basins will be done separately.
 * 1883 Hispaniola-Carolina Hurricane
 * 1891 San Magin Hurricane
 * 1896 Cedar Key Hurricane
 * 1898 Windward Islands Hurricane
 * 1898 Georgia Hurricane
 * 1903 Manchioneal Hurricane
 * 1906 Gulf Coast Hurricane
 * 1910 Cyclone of the Five Days
 * 1926 Nassau Hurricane
 * 1932 San Ciprian Hurricane
 * 1933 Brownsville Hurricane
 * 1933 Great Tampico Hurricane
 * 1944 Jamaica Hurricane
 * Hurricane Charlie, 1951
 * Hurricane Cleo, 1964
 * Tropical Storm Bret, 1993
 * Hurricane Dennis, 2005
 * Hurricane Stan, 2005
 * Hurricane Noel, 2007
 * Hurricane Hanna, 2008

Historical Electorate Finalists

 * 1804 Atlantic Coast Hurricane (#3)
 * First Dominica Hurricane of 1806 (#3)
 * 1812 Great Louisiana Hurricane
 * Great September Gale of 1815
 * 1819 Bay St. Louis Hurricane
 * 1822 Santee Hurricane (#2)
 * 1824 Golden Isles Hurricane (#1)
 * 1834 Ozama River Hurricane (#2)
 * 1837 Racer's Storm
 * Great Nova Scotia Cyclone of 1873

-- SkyFury 07:19, February 6, 2012 (UTC)