Forum:2011 Atlantic hurricane season

Welcome/Pre-season forecasts
Well, 2011 has been here; is there anyone who wants to make some early season forecasts, just to ramp up this forum's activity? I'm thinking it'll be something like 12-15 named storms, 4-7 'canes 2-4 majors and one category 5 storm. Anyone else want to make some calls? I also made the /Betting pools/ for this page... BTW. Ryan1000 20:16, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm rather apprehensive about this season. I don't know if it's superstitions about this name list, the fact that there hasn't been a major hurricane hitting the US in 2 years and people might be getting complacent or that there hasn't been a catagory 5 in 3 years, but this luck has to run out sometime.

Still, I think we'll be sort of average to above average, with 10-15 storms, 6-9 hurricanes, 3-5 majors and one category 5. So there's my musings on the season... I'm sort of new around this wiki, so I hope I did okay! HurricaneFiona 18:20, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, then, welcome here! Technically we haven't seen a U.S. major or east coast hurricane in 5 years, but if you consider Ike as a major hurricane knowing how bad it was, i'm not bad with that. Our luck streak may run out this year, but here's hoping it won't... Ryan1000 22:55, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought 2005 was 6 years ago.. :P Honestly, I think this year will be a pretty good year, I'm going with 13-17 named storms, 5-7 hurricanes, 2-4 majors and 1 cat 5. (there hasnt been one since 2007, I still think its likely Igor will be upgraded to 5 though!) Yqt1001 01:52, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, yes it was 6 years ago, but for now, I consider it 5 because the 2011 Atlantic hurricane season really hasn't begun yet, and either way, when we do get our next east coast hurricane or U.S. major hurricane, it will mark the longest streak on record between any two hurricanes hitting the U.S. East coast or Major hurricanes all in all on record. Currently, the last east coast landfalling hurricane was Katrina in 2005, which was 5 years, 4 months, and 27 days ago. That technically isn't "6 years" yet, but either way, it is a long streak. Our last major was Hurricane Wilma over Florida, which was 5 years, 2 months, and 28 days ago on October 24, 2005. That isn't really "6 years" either, but again, it's an incredibly long streak. Ryan1000 14:06, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well of course its more like 5 years if you do it exactly. But did anyone read Jeff's Wunderblog post about what he thinks this season will be? He said that we are leaning towards seasons like...sadly I couldnt find the article again, but one of the possible repeat seasons were 2008. Looks like the US wont get away with just one more year. (Post-season changes made it so Earl upgraded to a category 1 hurricane before making landfall in Nova Scotia, making Canada have 2 hurricane landfalls!) Yqt1001 16:04, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was counting Ike. A storm doesn't have to be strong to be destructive (Allison). But when you put it like that, that is quite a long streak. I just hope those devastating hurricanes do some good, and persuade people to leave town as soon as a hurricane warning is declared. Oh, and 2008? It's looking more like we'll have another active year! HurricaneFiona 16:29, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, as much as I don't want to see a bad season, I also just can't see the United States going for yet another year without at least one signifigant U.S. major hurricane, or a hurricane altogether. I don't know what will happen in the 2011 AHS, but we have had one lucky year too many. We cannot evade these major hurricanes forever, and I fear 2011 is the final frontier. We will more than likely have at least one signifigant U.S. landfalling powerful storm in 2011, but if we manage to go another year without bad storms, great. Just great. As I said, here's hoping it won't be so bad for us... I do not believe we will get a 2010-like season in terms of numbers in this year, but I also do not believe we will go through this year without at least 5+ billion in damages. I believe a repeat of 2008 or 2004 may be upon us in this year, but I don't know about a 2005-like season(i'm talking impact, not numbers). When the next CSU and NOAA forecasts come out in March or April, we may have a better idea at what kind of season we're looking at. An ENSO event will close up on us in the later part of 2011, and that's why i'm thinking we will have a 12-15 storm season, a 4-7 hurricane season, a 2-4 major hurricane season and at least one cat. 5, since our last one was nearly 4 years ago, Hurricane Felix in September 2007. We will probrably not have a near-record year in the Atlantic, but it's hard for me to think the U.S. will get another lucky break this year. Ryan1000 17:19, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well a major US landfall will happen, and the sooner the better. If we go too many years without a landfall then people (I think it was you Ryan who said this) will forget what happened in bad years for US landfalls (2005), and not worry too much about a storm that could be the worst one yet (because of peoples ignorance). 2010 would've been a good year for a US landfall, 2008 is still sorta fresh in many peoples minds, 2011 might be pushing it a bit too far but in 2012, 2008 would probably be forgotten by people, and 2005 is barely remembered now as it is, so I could just imagine how horrible a category 5 landfall in any city of the US would be in 2012. So yeah, the sooner, the better. Yqt1001 19:11, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I said that in the "Dead Basin Thing" section of last year's season. I said that not long before I mentioned to Darren23 that La Nina conditions don't signify a bad season. Although I do not think we will have 2010-level activity, I hope that people in the U.S. will remember 2008(specifically Ike) rather than remember all the way back to 2004/2005. If they do that, then our next major won't be as bad as it could be. I mean, a hurricane with the impacts of a major hurricane could make people remember as much as a major hurricane alone. If we get a lot of Ike-like storms this year, then that would be the worst case scenario IMO. In the 2008 season, Eric was really upset at people in the U.S. gulf coast for not using some "common sense" with Hurricane Ike that year. Ike was responsible for nearly 200 deaths on it's rampage, and over 100 of those were in the United States. The problem with Ike is it was only a category 2 hurricane. People in Texas in September 2008 were looking at Ike and they were thinking "hey, it's only a category two hurricane. It's not gonna be so bad. The Saffir-Simpson scale says category two's only cause moderate damages". The problem with these humans is that they don't judge hurricanes based on their size; they judge them based on their strength. With Ike, it was an enormus storm over the Gulf of Mexico, and with tropical storm force winds(not gale diameter) extending up to 600 miles out and hurricane winds 250 miles, it was the most massive Atlantic hurricane on record. Although it was only a category two at landfall, it's storm surge was equal to that of a normal category 4 storm. If Ike had stalled near or on the Texas coast, or if the coast of Texas was as vulnerable to storm surge as Louisiana in 2005, then it easily could have crushed everything and everyone in it's path. Ike easily could have been costlier and deadlier than Katrina had Texas been more vulnerable, or if it had stalled near Texas. Ike caused 37.6 billion in damages, and it could have been much worse from that as is. What would have happened if we had lots of Ike-like storms in 2011? What would happen if a repeat of Ike happened in Miami instead? Or Tampa? Or Savannah? Or NYC? If a hurricane doesn't get past category two or three intensity, then most people will not believe it will be a very destructive storm for their area. Many people think that the most destructive storms are always category 4's and 5's at their landfalls, ect. But Katrina was a 3 at it's landfall and you know how bad it was. Ike was a two. Wilma was also a three. My worst fear for 2010 is that we will have a lot of Ike like storms so not only people will underestimate their power, but will forget what has happened since 2004 and 2005. I fear this year will be an armageddon season for the United States. Ryan1000 21:37, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Katrina was only a 3 at landfall, but it was a 5 at its peak. How is this relevant, because everyone thinks it was a 5 at landfall because of its peak, and that misconception is what is probably one of the most deadliest hurricane characteristics, as you start getting farther away from the season the last major landfall was. Ask people what category Katrina was at landfall in 2005, most will probably say 3, now most will say 5. Before 2005, most people didnt think category 3 was a bad hurricane, I mean its 2 categories from the worst! As we start getting farther away from 2005, people's opinions of what is a storm to run from and whats not gets stronger (what Katrina caused, is what saved many peoples life in Rita, but as we are rapidly approaching 6 years from then..people might not be as afraid of a storm like Katrina again, might be a bit different in New Orleans though). Now however, the gulf coast is a lot different from the east which hasnt really had a major landfall there since..I dont know, but it was a long time ago. I was talking to someone about Igor a while ago (this person lives in the NY area) and he said that at its current state (category 1), he wouldnt run from it, but a couple days earlier he said (back when it was a 4), if that storm was coming my way, I would be gone. He didnt leave when Earl came by, earlier in 2010. If Igor was in the gulf, I'm pretty sure the opinions of everyone near the gulf would be different than his. I'm pretty sure if Igor was at cat. 3 strength when it was plowing towards NY, most wouldnt leave, whereas if it were heading for New Orleans, most would leave. With most people predicting a landfall in North/South Carolina, this could be a wake up call for the East Coast, as the Gulf Coast gets a bit more comfortable with hurricanes, another major will hit them and make them uneasy again. It really sounds like a awful cycle, but there just isnt awareness about how bad hurricanes can be during the off season. Yqt1001 01:37, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would know that, but the worst areas for a hurricane to hit the U.S. are the most overdue areas, because they are the least prepared. New Orleans isn't this, but other places like NYC and Houston are. The most unfortunate thing is contrary to what many may believe, the city of Miami, Florida is actually the most overdue city in the entire United States for a category 5 hurricane. Although Miami has been hit with many major hurricanes in the past 100 years, the last time a hurricane completly demolished the city was the great Miami hurricane of 1926. The problem is many residents look back to Hurricane Andrew of 1992, but Andrew was too far south and too small to severely impact the Miami area. If a hurricane like Andrew hit south Florida again today just 10 miles north or so, then it could destroy everything in it's path. If a repeat of the 1926 hurricane happened in 2011, or Andrew just slightly farther north, then it could cause up to 157 billion dollars in damage. If Houston is hit with a repeat of the 1900 storm, then it would cause up to 101 billion dollars in damages. New York City hasn't seen a major hurricane since, well ever. The 1938 storm missed the city only slightly to the east. If that storm had hit NYC directly, we could have had a billion-dollar name come to us a lot earlier than when we did get our first one in 1965. If we have a repeat of any past storms in this season, it will be a horiffic year to bear. The Gulf coast is vulnerable, but the thing is, when a hurricane hits the Gulf of Mexico, it has to make landfall somewhere. Rarely do storms enter the gulf and die without making landfall(Henri 1979, Jeanne 1980). Therefore they can become prepared easier. When hurricanes reach the east coast, if they miss land from a cold front, then the only land out to sea is Bermuda, or Newfoundland/Nova Scotia if they go far enough north. In other words, hurricanes can give a false sense of security to east coast livers if they keep on missing and one eventually doesn't miss. Hurricanes can't "miss land" in the Gulf, so if one area dodges a bullet, another instead suffers from an unprescedented disaster. Ryan1000 02:10, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, although I can't find the source on Weather Underground about what we could have Yqt, the CSU and TSR Forecasts that we had last December aren't looking so promising. They say we have a 73% chance we will get a major hurricane to make landfall in the United States this year. They also stated we have a 49% chance of an east coast landfalling major hurricane, a 48% chance of a gulf coast landfalling major hurricane, and a 46% chance that a powerful major hurricane will cross the Carribean as well. All of these are above the averages of last century. Also, there is a good chance the ACE index could be above average, 66% above average at that. We could have a helluva ride this year. Ryan1000 21:46, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Aaaand yay!! The 2011 Atlantic hurricane season has officially begun (as of now). Hope we get some more activity in the tropics... Ryan1000 00:04, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Accuweather forecasts
The latest forecast from Accuweather.com from yesterday is still calling for an above-average year. More U.S. landfalls are expected from last year, as well. They're expecting 15-8-3 for 2011. It's nothing compared to the 19-12-5 stats we had last year, but above the 1900-now average of 10-6-2. The link is here. CSU's latest update will come out sometime in April, as will NOAA's, and by then we might have an even better view of what 2011 will be like. Ryan1000 20:03, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Still above average, and again any activity in the tropics will be nice. It has been quiet for too long. Yqt1001 01:43, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

2nd CSU forecast
The 2nd CSU forecast has came out. 17-9-5 is the forecast call, and more of a neutral season is being called upon than an El nino event. Appears we will have a bad season coming our way; it's looking more and more like a 2008... The link is here. Ryan1000 14:22, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

92L.INVEST
I was watching this all day and it just got invested! 20% for this African wave. Could be Jose or Katia or whatever the Katrina replacement is CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:20, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Katia is Katrina's replacement name. Hurricane Andrew (444) 02:23, August 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * This will likely become Jose. The wave behind this one will likely become Katia. Both have high model support however Katia will likely be overshadowed by her bigger brother Jose (as with Earl and Fiona of last year). Now the wave behind this might not be Katia as some models show a monsoonal TS forming in the Gulf around the same time this one forms, so it will be likely a race to the dreaded name. Yqt1001 02:45, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * But what is surprising is all the named storms we have until now i think last year we were by Earl or Fiona and I think Jose will become a name storm before September. Allanjeffs 03:08, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

30% chance now. Yqt1001 06:04, August 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * The models are a bit crazed with this one. Some take it northward and out to sea several days down the road and one of them even has it reversing direction at the end of the forecast period. All in all, I hope the long run takes will take this north of the lesser antillies and away from the eastern seaboard. Irene has already been bad enough... Ryan1000 06:59, August 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well i was wrong with my names, looks like this will be Katia. 40% chance now. Yqt1001 14:18, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * GFS has this going above Leeward Islands.Cyclone10 18:52, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 70% nowAllanjeffs 19:16, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, here comes Katia. But although it will likely be a strong hurricane, it will probrably head north of the leewards and far out to sea. Ryan1000 19:32, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * And the train rolls on... -- SkyFury 23:22, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now at 100% CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:27, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm certain this is TD 12.10 L. NONAME 00:37, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

The models are in general agreement it will miss the lesser antillies to the north, with the exeption of NOGAPS, taking it towards the northern end of the islands in the long run. Hopefully it does remain a fish storm, Irene was bad enough... Ryan1000 05:41, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Depression 12

 * TD 12 is born expect to be Katia later.Allanjeffs 08:44, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * The latest NHC forecast takes it north of the Lesser Antillies in the long run. Although we may get our second hurricane out of this storm it probrably won't affect land, so this storm won't be such a big problem unless it makes it's way far enough west to affect Bermuda. However, the Bermuda High is still in the position to take this storm out to sea, and I hope that does happen for all intents and purposes. Ryan1000 09:06, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Still not Katia. Also, if anyone cares about records, if TD 12 becomes TS Katia by the end of the month, this year will tie 1995 and 1933 for the second most active August ever (7 storms), behind only 2004's all time record (8 storms). Hurricane Andrew (444) 17:24, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * But then again, 6 out of 7 were tropical storms only. 2004, in August, already had 2 major hurricanes (3 if you count Alex) and 5 hurricanes (counting Alex).
 * How fitting would it be if Katia was christened today, the sixth anniversary of Katrina's landfall? That's more than a little eerie. And btw, despite the fact that we've only had one hurricane, we're only six days behind 2005's record pace. Katrina was named on August 23, Lee on August 31. Only 2005, 1995 and 1933 were ahead of our current pace at this point in the season, the latter by a mere 24 hours. -- SkyFury 21:22, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * TD12 is expected to gradually intensify over the next few days. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:29, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Our 11 name storm of the season has come to us AL, 12, 2011083000,, BEST, 0, 108N, 294W, 35, 1006, TS. Allanjeffs 01:29, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow dang it I was just about to say that by posting on the NHC RBT. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:23, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry cobra strike Allanjeffs 01:30, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Its alright, you're always first on calling RBTs : P. Anyways, the formation of 12 and to be Katia is the fifth earliest date for the season's eleventh storm. We used to be ranked higher, but 2011 was pushed back by 3 eleventh storms that formed on the same day and the same hour that took spots in second third and fourth. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:46, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * sorry that I am ignorant but what does RBT means Allanjeffs 02:17, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know but I think I heard somewhere in means Running Best Track. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 02:23, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * OMG they change td to ts but in the public advisory they leave it as td 12 i am so confusedAllanjeffs 02:48, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * OMG they change td to ts but in the public advisory they leave it as td 12 i am so confusedAllanjeffs 02:48, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * OMG they change td to ts but in the public advisory they leave it as td 12 i am so confusedAllanjeffs 02:48, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm surprised it went this long without becoming Katia, but it should get the upgrade soon and then pass north of the Lesser Antillies and after that towards Bermuda, or best-case scenario, a fishspinner altogether. Ryan1000 03:23, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

But if you read the NHC discussion at day 5 it says it could move west Allanjeffs 03:44, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Katia
The eleventh named storm of the season formed south of the Cape Verde Islands on August 29, 2011 - the same day that Hurricane Irene and Tropical Storm Jose dissipated. The system became a tropical storm on August 30, receiving the name which was used to replace Katrina. It is likely to strengthen into a hurricane.

Extracted from the Wikipedia Section. Anoynymous022 5:55PM (UTC+8) 30 Aug 2011


 * It's about time! I didn't think Katia would take this long to become a TS, but I won't argue with mother nature. Keep your eyes out for her. Although she is currently forecast to miss the lessers, she has a chance to not miss them as well. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 13:03, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * She might have a chance to hit Bermuda.10L.NONAME 20:42, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * 60mph other way she makes landfall or not she will bring big bumber to the ACE Allanjeffs 20:46, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * This will probably be our first Cape Verde-type hurricane since Hurricane Julia unless you count Lisa as one. Forecast to be a major and slip betweeen Bermuda and coast. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:58, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * GFDL is suggesting a 150kt (170 mph) category 5 hurricane. IVCN modelling a 125kt (140 mph) category 4. ICON, SHIPS, and HWRF all looking for sold 125 mph category 3s. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:38, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see this unlucky storm gets the fateful name. Yqt1001 23:05, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * OMG I just saw that if katia becomes the strongest of the season i will win in the strongest storm of the season betting poolsAllanjeffs 23:32, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's going to have a good chance of becoming the season's strongest storm, but it doesn't have much of a chance of becoming a monster for anyone. Ryan1000 23:37, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Guessing by the WINDSAT pass of Katia finding 55kt (65 mph) winds on the outer perimeter of the central dense overcast, I see that the max winds should be at hurricane strength by now. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:27, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think I need to tell anybody that this is a scary storm. But right now the models seem to think it'll ride the break in the ridge and stay out at sea. We'll see if that turns out to be the case. This looks like it's going to be a big one. Katia didn't quite make the Katrina anniversary, not forming until early this morning, but still pretty eerie. -- SkyFury 02:01, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * And the new advisory keeps the intensity. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 02:53, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * It appears an eye is forming around the center, could be a sign. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 03:01, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * We can't truly know it will be a fishspinner, and the slightest nudge in it's path can make all the difference; although Luis of 1995 and Dog of 1950 missed most of the Lesser Antillies, they didn't miss them by enough not to cause major damage. Luis tore apart St. Martin and a few other Caribbean Islands, doing around 2.5 billion in damage, and Dog was the worst hurricane in Antigua's history. There is still a possibility it could strike the northern Lesser Antillies and/or Bermuda, so although it's likely it won't affect land, it isn't impossible either, so don't write this system off just yet. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 04:40, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Still at 65 mph, I have hope Katia will become a hurricane today. Hurricane Andrew (444) 11:53, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * All of the models take this north of the lesser antillies, but it still isn't out of the question, and only GFS takes this thing onto a collision course with Bermuda in the long run. Furthermore, it is only forecast to hit 105 mph by SHIPS... Ryan1000 16:38, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * 70mph at 5pm. NHC: ...KATIA ALMOST A HURRICANE... Yqt1001 20:43, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Convection banding and organization has become better improved, very likely to be a hurricane next advisory. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:25, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Convection banding and organization has become better improved, very likely to be a hurricane next advisory. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:25, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hurricane Katia
Second hurricane of the Atlantic hurricane season is here, according to the NHC ATCF RBT. Still sticking with a more west/southwesterly track than the NHC is indicating, but I still believe the only land areas that have to watch out for this is Bermuda and/or Canada. Earl-Igor hybrid maybe? Darren 23 Edits 00:40, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hurricane Katia the second of the 2011 hurricane season AL, 12, 2011090100,, BEST, 0, 148N, 436W, 65, 987, HU, Allanjeffs 01:06, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Finally heating up near Cape Verde and Mid- Atlantic.10L.NONAME 01:38, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * This thing is no big threat to the lesser antillies in the long run, and even if Bermuda does get winded a bit, it hopefully it won't pull a Fabian. Ryan1000 03:50, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Katia (2nd time)
Apparently 15 kts of shear are taking a toll on Katia; it's down to 60 kts, 990 mbar. --HurricaneMaker99 22:10, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * It seems the Lesser Antilles are definitely off the hook and perhaps Bermuda as well. Besides of that it might be pretty everything from Florida to Newfoundland or a fish-storm. Considering a US landfall, that might be even more dangerous as it would be for itself since Irene did not what many feared and with all the bla bla about "Has the NHC overwarned?" What I want to say, maybe people won't react very much anymore. --88.102.101.245 22:18, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * WTF?? I never saw this thing weakening in my future... Well, now that it's powering down, it might be a greater threat to the lesser Antillies than I earlier thought. I still hope it does stay away from the U.S. mainland, but I can't say the Virgin Islands or Puerto Rico will get nothing at this rate. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 22:29, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not going to even come close to the Caribbean islands. Not even the GFDL, which has been the southern outlier all along, brings it close enough to do more than kick up the surf. Where the hell did this shear come from, geez? Some of the models made the upper low a player but none of them forecast this much shear this soon and for this long. That low has dug in and is not lifting out like expected. If anything, it's strengthened. Assuming it lifts out soon, which virtually all the models still call for, Katia should become a major hurricane. The GFS and HWRF make this a big problem for Bermuda. However, some of the models, like the ECMWF and GFDL, try to rebuild the ridge late in the period and push the storm more to the west. This would bring the the US east coast into play. And God knows they don't need another hurricane. -- SkyFury 03:32, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hurricane Katia (2nd time)
Back up to 65 kts, 991 mbar. NHC is predicting a left-hand turn late in the forecast period; wrong way, Katia. --HurricaneMaker99 15:06, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Katia, head in the direction of nowhere. We don't want you to be bad, so do us all a favor and miss everyone out to sea. Ryan1000 15:35, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Boy, Katia's really making me nervous with this ridging trying to build back in later in the period. The GFS and ECMWF create a huge break in the ridge at the end of the period, which would take Katia right up towards New England just in time for the 9/11 anniversary activities. Katia could very well make landfall sometime late on the 11th or early on the 12th. The GFDL and HWRF have stronger ridging and push a major hurricane Katia toward the Carolinas. I'm not sure I like either option, though with the first at least there's a chance Katia could miss the east coast entirely, but I get the sense that that cavernous break in the ridge at the end of the run may be overdone. It just opens up out of nowhere like Moses parting the Red Sea. Seems unrealistic. Anyway, this one is definately making me nervous. -- SkyFury 20:31, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

There was an interesting post by Jeff Masters today. A meteorologist for the TCWC of the Bureau of Meteorology in Perth, Australia pointed out that the fate of former Typhoon Talas is crucial wether a building through over the United States comes in time and will be strong enough to push Katia to the Northeast before she's reaching land or only until after landfalling somewhere. According to that guy the JMA believes that Talas will accelerate towards the Bering Sea and begin extratropical transistion which it should finish somewhere south of Alaska. And there's the point where Mr. Masters is kind of vague. I wasn't able to figure out which circumstances would via jetstream influence the building up of the through. But never mind, it seems that the models don't know better either. :-) --88.102.101.245 22:15, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Pressure still a bit high for a hurricane. 10L.NONAME 22:20, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Katia is starting to rack my nerves a bit, but the trough that's currently passing the central Atlantic will hopefully knock her down a bit as another trough approaches the eastern seaboard over the next few days, which is currently over the Midwest. Let's hope that trough beats Katia to the eastern seaboard. As of now, if Katia heads far enough west, It could pull a Dora or a Sea Islands hurricane for the folks in Jacksonville, Florida, Savannah, Georgia, or even end up in Charelston, SC. I think a New England hurricane repeat is overexaggerating by a mile, but we'll see. Ryan1000 22:55, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

This storm is just crazy. 06z ATCF BTK has this at 60 kts... again. Darren 23 Edits 12:12, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

So far, saddest excuse for a hurricane. 10L.NONAME 14:48, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Still a hurricane according to the latest NHC update. Yqt1001 14:58, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * WTF? It's not like it's affecting land or anything... No need to be generous here. Still a hurricane. Darren 23 Edits 14:58, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

AOI: Western Caribbean
After churning at sea for days, this tropical wave has become organized enough to be included in the National Hurricane Center's tropical weather outlook. It is currently at 10% as it moves westward over the next few days. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:08, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure this will become Lee. This also might make another US landfall. Only thing is, it will be meandering around in the GOM for a few days, and this could wind up to a strong tropical storm like the ECMWF is suggesting. We'll see. Darren 23 Edits 22:24, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure. This area of disturbed weather is going to be interacting with land as it heads towards the gulf and it's not too well-organized. If anything, this could be a re-Erin(or better a re-Don) at most, but as of now, this storm isn't future Lee in my book. Ryan1000 23:27, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Some models like this storm. Well, we will have to see what happens to it over the next day or two. Yqt1001 01:15, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Both the GFS and ECMWF develop this, though neither of them seem to know what to do with it trapped beneath that high pressure. The GFS stalls it off Louisiana for days and then drifts it toward Florida (that would be really miserable for us down here on the Gulf Coast). The European promptly runs it into Texas. -- SkyFury 02:06, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

It's likely this thing will bring some rain, the drought-stricken state of Texas needs some rain, and Don didn't do sh!t to help out. So we could actually use a TS in Texas, so long as it isn't a re-Erin or a re-Allison. Ryan1000 04:40, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * 30% chance now. Not officially invested yet though.. Yqt1001 17:49, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

93L.INVEST
And it's invested. Yqt1001 18:32, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Wildfires in Texas. Seems like they really need rain. 10L.NONAME 21:08, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

60% now Allanjeffs 23:47, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well, we have a possible tropical storm in our hands! And if this does become Lee by 11 PM CDT, 2011 will have tied August 2004 for the highest named storms in August (note: by local time, not GMT). Hurricane Andrew (444) 00:42, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Too bad, UTC is what counts :P Lee is going to be very, very tricky to forecast. There's a wide spread on the models and tracking mets, anywhere from Northeastern Mexico to the Florida Panhandle. Personally, I'm gonna hold back forecasting on this storm as I really think this will stall over very very warm parts of the GOM. Darren 23 Edits 00:45, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * GDFL has this going west, HWRF has this going east, and NOGAPS, GFS has this going north, then going back to the gulf. A lot of confusion. 10L.NONAME 01:12, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * 60% already!? Wow that was 2 days earlier than I expected. I honestly didn't think this would have a chance to organize until tomorrow at the earliest. Looks like Lee might be closer than we expected. Yqt1001 02:56, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoa! Last I saw this thing, it was only at 10%. To be honest, looking at the satellite, I'm not all that impressed. It's getting sheared to hell right now. Granted the shear should decrease soon, as most of the models are predicting, but I'm not sure I would've upped it to 60% yet. That said, virtually all the models develop this. The GFS crawls it right by us down here in southern Alabama, which would be miserably soggy. Yuck. -- SkyFury 03:29, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a big f**king mistake. How in the world could this thing hit 60% right now? It's in a hellhole of shear and it will be interacting with land real soon. Oh well. That being said, it probrably won't be as helpful to Texas as I thought it would be. Furthermore, it probrably won't exceed minor or moderate TS intensity. I would expect 50-55 mph at most. Ryan1000 03:50, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don´t think so if it becomes Lee it has a big shot at becoming a hurricane Allanjeffs 04:10, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's actually less organized than it looks. The center of circulation is in the south-central gulf of Mexico, not near the Florida Keys where all the convection is. So Lee is actually a bit winded as of now, and due to it's proxmitity to land(1-2 days away), it won't have too much time to strengthen anyways. Ryan1000 05:02, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * This one has me completely confused. First of all, the models develop it in the western Gulf south of Louisiana, what the hell is it doing off the western tip of Cuba? Second, the models, all of which develop it, mind you, sweep it down to the southwest. Southwest? Huh? That's such an odd direction for storms in the Gulf. There've been a few, Anita 1977 most notably, but it is damn rare. GFS takes it over northeast Mexico as a strong tropical storm. The ECMWF blows it up into a hurricane and runs it over Padre Island. The GFDL runs it into Port Arthur as a Cat 1 (oh yeah that's realistic ) before making the southwest turn. HWRF meanwhile is so completely confused its head just explodes; dancing the storm around the northern Gulf like a hamster on LSD. The one consistency is that they all develop it into at least a tropical storm. Given the level of uncertainty right now, this is definately one to watch. -- SkyFury 06:53, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * The models are a little crazed on where this one will go; in a way, this reminds me of 1985's Juan and it's bizzare track towards southern Louisiana. All of the models take 93L into, or close to, Louisiana to some extent, but they are completly puzzled as to what it will do afterwards... Ryan1000 08:56, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * 70%10L.NONAME 12:05, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * 80% now. I wonder what the NHC track will look like for this storm when it does develop. Ryan1000 19:01, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * This storm could really complicate my Labor Day weekend, especially if the GFS forecast verifies. I was going to drive home to Atlanta tomorrow. It looks like I may be able to just make it before the heavy rain arrives but the NWS is now calling for 5-10 inches of rain here in Mobile over the weekend, possibly more. And even though it may ease up by the time I come back, who knows what the flooding situation will look like. The models are having a tough time with this one. You're right, Ryan, it really does remind me of Juan, which is really bad news for Louisiana. The GFS stalls it off Louisiana and slowly crawls it east over the northern Gulf Coast before finally weakening it over central Alabama and GA. The ECMWF also stalls it off LA but then shifts it back south, blows it up into a hurricane and then runs it into Galveston. Who knows what this thing'll do. It could do just about anything at this point. -- SkyFury 21:00, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * The models are very spaghettish with this one, but they all reject Texas. : (. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:48, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although it could catch the folks there off-guard, it hopefully won't cause too many problems for them... It certainly won't be as problematic as Irene was, but this storm certainly bears watching. A re-Allison is what i'm fearing most, but a re-Juan would also be devastating as well. Ryan1000 21:54, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * TD 13 is here my friends invest_RENUMBER_al932011_al132011.ren Allanjeffs 23:13, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Thirteen
Official word from NHC. Forecast to peak at approx. 50 kts before landfall in Louisiana. --HurricaneMaker99 00:07, September 2, 2011 (UTC)


 *  The following post was formerly under the subheading  =Tropical Depression 13
 * And TD 13 heads for Lousisana. 99.58.60.158 00:18, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Merged subsection since I already made one for TD 13, and the one 99 made was in the wrong place. Sorry, 99 :/ --HurricaneMaker99 00:31, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, the NHC has kept the path open pretty wide for this thing. HM99, this thing could end up everywhere from the Florida Panhandle to Galveston. There is no direct certainty to this storm's path, which is why TS warnings are up for the entire coast of Louisiana and even Mississippi. This storm is dangerous because there's just no telling how strong it will get, nor where it will go. Keep your eyes out for this storm. Ryan1000 00:55, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * This would be a good time to remind everyone to Beware The First Storm Of September ! ! ! -- SkyFury 03:22, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't want an Allison out of this, but due to it's erratic, slow movement, this could get ugly when it approaches the coastline. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 04:59, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Lee
It's here! 35 kts, 1003 mbar per the 1pm (CDT) interim advisory. --HurricaneMaker99 17:36, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

The models basically just camp this thing right over us down here on the Gulf Coast for five days. Ugh, this could really suck. Some forecasts are calling for up to 20 inches of rain. The last thing we need down here is another Danny. I may be canoeing to class on Tuesday. -- SkyFury 20:35, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

The fact Lee is moving slowly may increase the chance for signifigant flash flooding, but it has a long way to go to reach an Allison-like flood. This could be the biggest flood disaster to hit this area since Juan in 1985. This thing is a long ways from it's landfall but Lee is so big it's upper rainbands are already affecting the big easy. If it moves as slow as the forecast is indicating, this storm could be very bad for the folks down in New Orleans, or for *gulp* you Eric? Ryan1000 22:12, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * And that stupid high pressure over Texas is causing trouble for Louisiana whom will have to deal with Allison 2.0. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:18, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * ... and some of the landlocked states.10L.NONAME 23:56, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling that Lee will become a re-Danny or re-Allison (1989 and 2001) if he stalls over the Gulf Coast. Hurricane Andrew (444) 00:46, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * What? Danny wasn't used during 1989... Juan was in 1985, and when it stalled by Louisiana it caused 2.8 billion in damage due to flooding and winds. If this thing puls a Juan or an Allison, things could get ugly. This storm is moving rather slowly through the gulf, but we'll have to wait and see what it will do. Ryan1000 05:24, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * 50mph winds now. I wouldn't be surprised if this storm causes considerable flooding damage in Louisiana..it's not every day that 25 inches of rain is expected to fall on a large portion of a state...(if not more when it starts weakening) Yqt1001 06:51, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Almost making landfall. And Ryan, you kinda misunderstood my post. I actually meant: "I have a feeling Lee will become a re-Danny (the 1997 one) or a re-Allison (either the 1989 or 2001 incarnation).
 * Hurricane Andrew (444) 11:50, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * 60mph winds. Yqt1001 14:47, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Near landfall.10L.NONAME 14:50, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I thought you meant 1989 and 2001 respectively. Anyways, I don't think there was too much uncertainty about this thing's track by NHC as it aproached Louisiana. It could have done so many things, but it almost perfectly followed the NHC forecast as it went. It pretty much made landfall now, but the big threat from this one is the inland flooding threat, and there is still uncertainty about where it will go further down the road. This storm is far from over, and when NHC is done with this thing the HPC will take over for them. Ryan1000 16:44, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Near landfall.10L.NONAME 14:50, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I thought you meant 1989 and 2001 respectively. Anyways, I don't think there was too much uncertainty about this thing's track by NHC as it aproached Louisiana. It could have done so many things, but it almost perfectly followed the NHC forecast as it went. It pretty much made landfall now, but the big threat from this one is the inland flooding threat, and there is still uncertainty about where it will go further down the road. This storm is far from over, and when NHC is done with this thing the HPC will take over for them. Ryan1000 16:44, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

94L.INVEST
Like the Gulf storm above, models show development for this wave near Bermuda (of course). Judging from the activity near Bermuda this year, this will develop into a storm, but max out at 50mph. Yqt1001 01:15, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

GFS has this, but it shouldn't survive too long. 10L.NONAME 01:18, August 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah I saw it on Wundermap but I didn't suspect it to be an AOI right now...anyways, predictions from me take it to a 50 mph tropical storm. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:23, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what to make of this one. Both major global models develop it. It almost looks like a re-Cindy. They develop it soon too, the GFS in just 72 hours. -- SkyFury 02:09, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't trust what is said now, whether or not it's on NHC. Jose had a near 0% chance of developing when it was on the TWO and the next thing you know it's a TS shooting out to sea. Anyhow, this could become Lee if the Caribbean disturbance doesn't do so in a few days. Ryan1000 04:40, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

10% now. Yqt1001 12:28, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

94L.INVEST
At 50%. Hurricane Andrew (444) 17:06, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like we'll see Maria(or Lee if the other disturbance doesn't make it before this one), out of this storm. It will likely not be affecting anyone as it shoots out to sea. Ryan1000 19:01, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * That part of the Atlantic has been really active this year for some reason, I don't know what it is. -- SkyFury 21:03, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I am guessing that there is a very northerly jetstream and not as much shear as usual. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:52, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Down to 40%, but producing TS winds. --HurricaneMaker99 00:12, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Up to 60 percent. Maybe we'll have Lee with the 0900 UTC advisory. THIS SYSTEM IS PRODUCING WINDS OF TROPICAL STORM FORCE...AND ONLY A SLIGHT INCREASE IN ORGANIZATION COULD RESULT IN THE FORMATION OF A TROPICAL STORM. --88.102.101.245 06:51, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

In that case, the GOM disturbance might be Maria instead. This storm will be heading seaward, but it will contribute one more TS to the activity. Maria became named at this time in 2005, for the record, but unlike 2005, most of the storms this year were weak, short-lived, or stayed at sea. Irene was the only bad storm thus far this year, and I hope it's the only one too. Ryan1000 15:20, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">Back to 40%10L.NONAME 19:55, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">It is painful how close this was to being Lee/Maria. If those thunderstorms had migrated just slightly closer to the center, NHC would've called it. Now it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Wind shear is increasing and the water's getting colder. 94L missed its chance. Crap. It looked so good too. I'm not convinced it wasn't a tropical storm anyway, if briefly. Ryan, yeah TD13/Lee and 94L were threatening to develop right at the same time. -- SkyFury 20:04, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * And all the way down to 10%. So long, 94L, see you in a couple weeks! --HurricaneMaker99 00:26, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's becoming extratropical.10L.NONAME 00:36, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Favorite storms of 2011
Adrian is 1st =). Ryan1000 03:32, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can't dispute the awesomeness of Adrian yet. No other storm so far in 2011 can even come close to Awesome Adrian. Yqt1001 03:34, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Depends if you think Arani or Songda are possible close runner-ups. Atu became a category 4 unexpectedly, just like Bianca(and Adrian), but Adrian was better-looking than both, and best of all, diddn't affect land =). Ryan1000 03:39, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Arani and Adrian are tied for first. Andrew444 20:22, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Retirements at a glance
No harm in starting this early, like we did with the EPAC and WPAC, now is there? (names that I think will be retired are in bold) --HurricaneMaker99 15:29, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Arlene: 15% - 25 deaths and $213 million are respectable fatality and damage totals, but probably not enough to earn retirement.
 * Bret: 0% - The resilience was admirable; however, considering the lack of any major effects, retirement is out of the question.
 * Cindy: 0% - I feel kinda bad booing her, since she survived into some really cold waters, but... BOO
 * Don: 0% - Normally I'm nice enough to give at least 1% to landfalling storms, but Don did literally nothing.
 * Emily: 2% - A lot of promise gone to waste here, though there were fatalities.
 * Franklin: 0% - I smell fish...
 * Gert: 0% - Aside from the odd fresh gust in Bermuda, nothing.
 * Harvey: 5% - Minor damage and a few fatalities, but nothing in comparison to Matthew.
 * Irene: 85% - Widespread and extensive damage; $10 billion across the Caribbean and US? The outright pummeling of the Bahamas, the coastal flooding in NC and VA, the catastrophic inland flash flooding in Vermont and other areas... Irene has made enough enemies to be an easy candidate for retirement.
 * Jose: 0% - What Ryan said (lol).


 * I'm going to wait until later here. If 91L (Emily) of this year happens to do what her 2005 predecesor couldn't(that is, cause enough damage to be retired), then I'll throw in my percentages because as of now, there are no storms with any reasonable chance of retirement. Thus far, I'd be surprised if we have ANY names nominated. Arlene didn't hit Mexico hard enough, and every other storm thus far did virtually nothing. Ryan1000 05:03, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Mine:
 * Arlene - 15% - It killed two dozen people, but Mexico has seen worse than her, and Arlene's coming back in 2017.
 * Bret - 0% - I don't think Bret's going, unless he's some tyrant name.
 * Cindy - 0% - See you in 2017!!!
 * Don - 1% - Affected land, dropped 2/3 inch of rain in Brownsville, that's it. No way Don's going.
 * Emily - 4% - Not Hanna or Gordon bad.
 * Franklin - 0% - See Cindy's section.
 * Gert - 0.01% - Only because she forced TS warnings for Bermuda.
 * Harvey - 5% - It wasn't a fishie, but if Matthew last year didn't go, then Harvey won't.
 * Irene - 80% - Okay, Irene will most certainly go at this rate.
 * Jose - 0% - See Gert's section.
 * Hurricane Andrew (aka User: Andrew444) 00:08, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I won't be doing any guessing, but here are the minimals: $1 million was the least amount of damages that a retired hurricane in the Atlantic has caused, set by category 1 Hurricane Klaus in 1990, but caused 11 deaths. The least amount of deaths a hurricane has caused is 1, set by category 4 Hurrciane Dora in 1964, but it did $239 million in damages. Arlene had minimal damage but caused 25 deaths, so think about that. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:15, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * You have to think more about where the hurricane hits and examine how bad it was for the affected country or territory as a whole instead of just base things off of what Wikipedia says ect. Keep in mind Hurricane Karl last year caused a similar number of deaths to Arlene this year(22), but it was signifigantly more destructive in Mexico and caused so many more problems for Mexico than Arlene did. If they didn't retire him, then there is no excuse why Arlene should be retired. And Dora killed 3 people, one directly and two indirectly. Paloma of 2008 only caused one(indirect) death in Jamaica. That's the record low for a retired name for deaths in NAtl. Klaus was described as one of the worst storms in Martinique's history. That's why it became retired at the request of the government of France, even though the overall damage wasn't that high. Damages and impacts are not proportional based on where the hurricane hits. A storm that devastates an impoverished country like Haiti might do nothing to the U.S. Vise Versa, a storm that does nothing to the U.S. might be devastating elsewhere across the Caribbean. The U.S. and Mexico are rather consevative on retirements because both countries get hit all the time with hurricanes. Smaller island nations in the Caribbean like the Barbados, Martinique and St. Lucia, Dominica, St. Kits and Nevis, or Trinidad and Tobago are more fragile to hurricanes than the U.S. and Mexico are, so a hurricane tearing up the Caribbean, like Dean of 2007, has a better chance of retirement than a similarily destructive U.S. hurricane like Juan of 1985, simply because so many more countries can request it to be retired. Ryan1000 01:37, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I won't be doing any guessing, but here are the minimals: $1 million was the least amount of damages that a retired hurricane in the Atlantic has caused, set by category 1 Hurricane Klaus in 1990, but caused 11 deaths. The least amount of deaths a hurricane has caused is 1, set by category 4 Hurrciane Dora in 1964, but it did $239 million in damages. Arlene had minimal damage but caused 25 deaths, so think about that. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:15, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * You have to think more about where the hurricane hits and examine how bad it was for the affected country or territory as a whole instead of just base things off of what Wikipedia says ect. Keep in mind Hurricane Karl last year caused a similar number of deaths to Arlene this year(22), but it was signifigantly more destructive in Mexico and caused so many more problems for Mexico than Arlene did. If they didn't retire him, then there is no excuse why Arlene should be retired. And Dora killed 3 people, one directly and two indirectly. Paloma of 2008 only caused one(indirect) death in Jamaica. That's the record low for a retired name for deaths in NAtl. Klaus was described as one of the worst storms in Martinique's history. That's why it became retired at the request of the government of France, even though the overall damage wasn't that high. Damages and impacts are not proportional based on where the hurricane hits. A storm that devastates an impoverished country like Haiti might do nothing to the U.S. Vise Versa, a storm that does nothing to the U.S. might be devastating elsewhere across the Caribbean. The U.S. and Mexico are rather consevative on retirements because both countries get hit all the time with hurricanes. Smaller island nations in the Caribbean like the Barbados, Martinique and St. Lucia, Dominica, St. Kits and Nevis, or Trinidad and Tobago are more fragile to hurricanes than the U.S. and Mexico are, so a hurricane tearing up the Caribbean, like Dean of 2007, has a better chance of retirement than a similarily destructive U.S. hurricane like Juan of 1985, simply because so many more countries can request it to be retired. Ryan1000 01:37, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I won't be doing any guessing, but here are the minimals: $1 million was the least amount of damages that a retired hurricane in the Atlantic has caused, set by category 1 Hurricane Klaus in 1990, but caused 11 deaths. The least amount of deaths a hurricane has caused is 1, set by category 4 Hurrciane Dora in 1964, but it did $239 million in damages. Arlene had minimal damage but caused 25 deaths, so think about that. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:15, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * You have to think more about where the hurricane hits and examine how bad it was for the affected country or territory as a whole instead of just base things off of what Wikipedia says ect. Keep in mind Hurricane Karl last year caused a similar number of deaths to Arlene this year(22), but it was signifigantly more destructive in Mexico and caused so many more problems for Mexico than Arlene did. If they didn't retire him, then there is no excuse why Arlene should be retired. And Dora killed 3 people, one directly and two indirectly. Paloma of 2008 only caused one(indirect) death in Jamaica. That's the record low for a retired name for deaths in NAtl. Klaus was described as one of the worst storms in Martinique's history. That's why it became retired at the request of the government of France, even though the overall damage wasn't that high. Damages and impacts are not proportional based on where the hurricane hits. A storm that devastates an impoverished country like Haiti might do nothing to the U.S. Vise Versa, a storm that does nothing to the U.S. might be devastating elsewhere across the Caribbean. The U.S. and Mexico are rather consevative on retirements because both countries get hit all the time with hurricanes. Smaller island nations in the Caribbean like the Barbados, Martinique and St. Lucia, Dominica, St. Kits and Nevis, or Trinidad and Tobago are more fragile to hurricanes than the U.S. and Mexico are, so a hurricane tearing up the Caribbean, like Dean of 2007, has a better chance of retirement than a similarily destructive U.S. hurricane like Juan of 1985, simply because so many more countries can request it to be retired. Ryan1000 01:37, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Arlene: 20% - Damage was minimal, but a quarter 100 deaths? That's a hefty amount. However, Arlene did not cause many big problems to Mexico. Mexico also has been reluctant to retire what most would think to be terrible storms (well, technically all (except the fishies) are). If Karl was not retired, not Arlene. Bret: 0% - Thanks for your ability to fight the shear! Cindy: 0% - Cold water fishy Don: 1% - Don had hopes to bring the South Texas drought to a...well...away from exceptional, but Don did nothing but drop a few barely beneficial drops of rain. Emily: 5% - Emily caused deaths and damage especially to Hispaniola, but not enough for any true retirement. Franklin: 0% - A stupid storm in the middle of the ocean. If I were to give it a nickname I would call it 'The Perfect Fail' Gert: 0% - Gert did cause some issues, but it did not do much to Bermuda except bring some gusty winds as it moved to the east. On the move to 2017! Harvey: 4% - With the exception of 3 deaths and some flooding, Harvey was not a major issue. Irene: 97% - I'm placing my retirement card on Irene because she was too much. She cannot pull of a Karl because she was a big deal to so many countries. In the end, Puerto Rico will probably request retirement, Hispaniola probably will too with 5 deaths and Haiti, which practically will retire ANY hurricane that comes over them due to the earthquake's prolonged affects, cholera outbreak, worse living conditions, etc. For the Turks and Caicos and Bahamas, damage wasn't too bad, especially when you look at past storms, but there were damages, and was considered the worst hurricane since Floyd. For them retirement is a maybe. The United States will 100% retire Irene: 35 (2) deaths and ~$7 billion. Overall, the odds of retirement are almost certain. Once again let me put the numbers in perspective: 43 indirect and direct deaths, $10.1 billion in damages CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:38, August 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Arlene: 20% Cause some impact in Mexico it kills at least 25 but like they said here Mexico have seen worst things.


 * Bret: 1% He survived shear and just that, The 1% is for the effect on the Bahamas but retirement is not gonna happen.


 * Cindy: 0% What does she do???NOTHING the NHC just throw a name like that but I admire her by her duration on cold water


 * Don: 1% That 1% is just for the damage in the carribean and just that, not even give Texas the water that it need just after landfall it dissipites Fail


 * Emily : 3% A lot of promises but not even one she do.


 * Franklin: 0% you and Cindy are just gonna be best friends, you two have a lot in common especially that both of you are fails.


 * Gert: 1% just because she affected Bermuda, but hey honey you are staying no matter what.
 * Harvey : 3% damage in my country nor belize was enough to earn retirement but at least it tried.
 * Irene:97% for me damage was enough for retirement Puerto Rico or the U.S.A may ask the name of this beauty.
 * Jose:1% Another fail of the 2011 but I have to give him credit for surviving and strenghtening in the high shear
 * Katia:TBK
 * :: okz well here r my forcasts
 * arlene 18% deaths and damage but not alot
 * bret 1% cause of the bahamas but no real retirement
 * cindy 0% ur on the train to 2017
 * don 2% cause of the caribian but not really
 * emily 6% well alot of brushing land
 * franklin 0%ur also on the train to 2017 =D
 * gert 2% she brushed bermuda
 * emily 6% well alot of brushing land
 * franklin 0%ur also on the train to 2017 =D
 * gert 2% she brushed bermuda

Well, I'll give my (official) percentages as of now:


 * Arlene - 15% - 25 deaths and 213 million is an okay number, but not enough to retire a name, especially for Mexico.


 * Bret - 0% - There's fail...


 * Cindy - 0% - ...And there's epic fail!


 * Don - 0% - "Normally I'm nice enough to give at least 1% to landfalling storms, but Don did literally nothing." --HM99.


 * Emily - 2% - Not bad enough.


 * Franklin - 0% - Which one was Franklin again?


 * Gert - 0% - It tried and failed.


 * Harvey - 3% - It tried and failed.


 * Irene - 85% - It tried and succeded. Although this may be rather conservative, chances are still in favor of retirement. I haven't ever seen 10 billion and no retirement in the same sentince, but the 7 billion in the U.S. may still be an overestimate since it's only preliminary.
 * Jose - 0% - No way Jose.
 * Katia - ?? - TBA.

Well, that's all I can say for now. Ryan1000 15:10, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Here's mine:

Arlene - 5% - Karl didn't get retired, why should this one?

Bret - 0% - Other than TS warnings, it did nothing.

Cindy - 0% - It wasn't even close to Bermuda.

Don - 0% - Could have gotten a higher number, but this one really failed.

Emily - 5% It did brush the Leeward Islands.

Franklin - 0% - This one's not going.

Gert - 0% - Only TD winds were felt at Bermuda.

Harvey - 5% - Well, it tried.

Irene - 95% - It did enough damage in the Carribean, adding the East Coast makes it go off the list.

Jose - 5% - It formed so close to Bermuda and it still did nothing.

Katia - ?% - Hasn't hit land yet. Can't put a number on this.

Lee - ?% - Can't put a number on this yet.

A lot of names wasted this season. Cyclone10 19:03, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Here are mine:


 * Arlene - 15% - Possible, but unlikely.


 * Bret - 1% - minimal damage.


 * Cindy - 0% - Fishspinner


 * Don - <1% - Hardly did anything.


 * Emily - 5% - Some effect, but not severe.


 * Franklin - 0% - Near fishspinner.


 * Gert - 0% - Bermuda just got a little breeze.


 * Harvey - 1% - minimal damage.


 * Irene - 90% - U.S. damage is estimated to be about $7 billion, and add the Caribbean damage and it totals to about $10 billion. The U.S. won't pass on this one I am pretty sure.


 * Jose - 3% - Some effect at Bermuda, but nothing very severe.

70.171.254.210 01:44, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Here are mine: All of that saying so far, Irene will be the first storm to get the boot. Now, Isaac is the last remaining original I storm. Given that they are cursed, I expect that to get the boot in a few years too. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 01:20, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Arlene: 15% – Didn't do a whole much of anything... I didn't see any reports of Mexico calling this that bad.
 * Bret: 0% – Obvious
 * Cindy: 0% – Obvious
 * Don: 1% – Donepicfail will never ever be retired, ever.
 * Emily: 4% – Emilyfail didn't do anything much to Hispaniola.
 * Franklin: 0% – Few hours of fame
 * Gert: 0% – Obvious
 * Harvey: 15% – Central America/Mexico wasn't crying that this was destructive, so this is obvious.
 * Irene: 91% – Moderate to severe damage over a wide area, with the US having massive floods, this will get the boot. This is not gonna be an Karl... Irene is much, much more widespread and people actually know the extend of the damage.
 * Jose: 0% – 24 hours of fame

The Great Seer has spoken: It's been a crazy season so far. I have a feeling we're just getting started. -- SkyFury 03:45, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Arlene: 30% - 22 deaths and $223 million in damage is nothing to sneeze at, I don't care what Mexico says. I had no idea it was that bad. If that was in the US, we'd have it up around 50% at least. Those are definately retirement-worthy numbers. Do I think it will be retired? No. But the numbers certainly qualify.
 * Bret: 2% - Sure made for a lousy weekend on Abaco Island, but otherwise bupkiss. Most of Bret's effects were beneficial.
 * Cindy: 0% - Look, a shooting star! Quick everybody make a wish!
 * Don: 1% - Per my usual custom, I never give a storm that affected land a 0% chance. I was really hoping to be able to make a Godfather reference with this one, but that's kinda hard to do with a storm that fell flat on its face. Though I guess it's fair to say that TS Don sleeps with the fishes ;)
 * Emily: 10% - It did kill five people. I'm still confused about Emily. It will go down as one of the most troublesome storms in history from a forecasting persepective. SMH...
 * Franklin: 0% - If you blinked, you missed it.
 * Gert: 0% - I get the feeling there were a few surfers on Bermuda who were sorely disappointed.
 * Harvey: 8% - This one could've been a lot worse. I think a lot of people were worried about another Matthew.
 * Irene: 85% - Wow, what a storm. As we feared, this has turned into another Floyd/Isabel with devastating inland flooding. But as bad as it was, it could've been a whole lot worse. It would've been catastrophic had it hit North Carolina as a Cat 3 and NYC as a Cat 2, as originally predicted. This was really setting up to be a worst case scenario with the size of the storm, track right over NYC, and astronomical tides. Thank God it didn't happen. I don't think I'll ever forget seeing Times Square, Grand Central Station, and Atlantic City's casinos completely and utterly vacant. It really was post apocalyptic. I was waiting for Will Smith and the zombies to jump out at any minute. Incredible. I hope you guys took it all in, because we may never see another storm like that in our lifetimes. I thought every single elected official at the state and local level did an exemplary job preparing for this storm. I don't think they could've handled it better. It had been almost three years since a big storm hit the US and there was plenty of room for complacency, but all the mayors and governors handled this with the utmost seriousness and professionalism. It took a lot of balls for Mayor Bloomberg and Governor Christie to order those evacuations. And apart from North Carolina, these were places that never have to deal with stuff like this. For a bunch of them, this was their first serious threat from a hurricane in decades. I was blown away by how well they handled it. Their actions saved lives. Hats off.
 * Jose: 0% - *facepalm*
 * Katia: ???
 * To be continued...

Anything but Irene 0 percent, Irene at 60 percent (while I've substracted some 25 percent due to the fact that the basin is running out names commencing with an I) --88.102.101.245 11:49, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Here's what I have:


 * Arlene: 20%. The deaths and damages were something notable, but just not enough to cut through Mexico's reputation.


 * Bret: 1%. Little rain, not much else.


 * Cindy: 0%. Hello, speedy!


 * Don: 1%. To say the least, this was probably the first time a tropical storm not making landfall was a disappointment to the people there. Texas needed the rain.


 * Emily: 15%. It was quite aggravating to track and did do some damage. The thing that makes me wonder is that the worst hit may have been Martinique...the same Martinique that got Klaus off the list. However, Emily, fortunately, was no Klaus.


 * Franklin: 0%. While it did rain on Bermuda to a tiny degree, who would remember this one?


 * Gert: 0%. Yet another near-hit with no effects.


 * Harvey: 1%. Yet another minor effects storm.


 * Irene: 85%. It was leading up to this. Major damage, high death toll, and although it wasn't as bad as predicted, it was still bad enough. It's time for a 12-year-late retirement.


 * Jose: -5%. The dead-ringer of Tropical Storm Kay from the 2004 Pacific hurricane season and Tropical Storm Ernesto of the 2000 Atlantic season. It was such a bomb of a storm that I can't even give it a 0.

That's all for now! Jake52 22:35, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Very Mid-season forecasts
Why call it very mid-season forecasts? Because most mid-seasoners do it in early August. Well, welcome to the true mid season, the beginning of September (almost!). As we near the second half and the most active half, we already have a taste of what the first half did. Here is my prediction: 17 total systems, 15 named storms, 6 hurricanes, and 2 major hurricanes. My ACE calculations lead me to believe a near normal statistic, around the 70-110 range. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 03:49, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

My prediction was 18 tropical cyclones, 17 tropical storms, 8 hurricanes, 3 major hurricanes, and 1 Category 5.

Now, doing it like CSU does it, we have 6 tropical cyclones, 6 tropical storms, 0 hurricanes, 0 major hurricanes, 0 Category 5's, and a ACE of 10. My post - August 13 activity is 12 tropical cyclones, 11 tropical storms, 8 hurricanes, 3 majors, 1 Category 5, and a ACE of 140.

For more information, go to my blog:

Hurricane Andrew (444) 13:09, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * With the activity so far, we might challenge 2010's total of 19 named storms. If we keep spitting out storms at this rate into November, and double the rate in September, there should be no reason we don't reach 20 storms. I still stick with 5 majors, only because the basin is warm and little shear..as the SAL slowly lifts, the CV season will probably be huge...so far the pattern is looking like most CV storms will go into the US too. Yqt1001 16:21, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although we may have a higher chance of destruction, we can never accurately forecast damages or retirements; last year almost permanently taught me that fact. I don't truly know if we will have our streak end this year, but I hope it does, every year without a landfall just makes it worse. However, I must agree that at the rate we are going, we indeed have a descent shot at catching up to 2005, possibly 2010 and definitely 2004 and 2008(in numbers). Ryan1000 01:29, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * See much more detailed and more precise information, see my forecast blog. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:08, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Irene seems likely to hit the USA as a hurricane...or will it be down to TS strength (and dodge the Outer Banks) before a New England landfall?(Yesterday NHC maps had it hit NYC,but the track keeps moving east).--12.144.5.2 19:26, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * A re-Bob or re-Carol seems more likely than anything as of now, but the 20-year drought for New England is probrably going to end this Saturday. Irene may end the drought there, but elsewhere in the U.S, we're rather silent; although the 5.8 earthquake shook up a large chunk of the eastern seaboard, overall damage was insevere. Irene won't be that way. Keep your eyes out for her over the next few days. Ryan1000 22:55, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

US Hurricane Drought
Yes, it's Eric! SkyFury is back for another season by popular demand. I am currently enjoying my retirement from Wikipedia but am happy to rejoin the forums for the hurricane season. I normally get back to the Wiki for the new season by July, but this summer has been really busy for me and, despite the activity, am only just now returning. I have received messages of distress about the state of affairs in the forums, but from what I can tell, this Wiki has done nothing but get better in my absence. Ryan1000, I know I have some missed messages from you (one from forever ago) and I intend to address those tomorrow, when it's not 2:30 in the morning lol. Tonight I come, as I usually do, bearing historical food for thought. A hurricane has not made landfall in the US since Ike in 2008. If a hurricane doesn't hit the US before September 2, it will be the longest drought since 1980-1983, and that's only if Iwa's brush of Hawaii in 1982 is discounted. If one doesn't hit before September 21, it will be the longest drought since the Civil War. -- SkyFury 06:33, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well then, welcome back here! (I'm a new user BTW, so I don't think you know me). I also want to add the fact that we have gone 5 years, 9 months, 3 weeks, and 2 days (i.e. six years!!!) since a major hit the U.S (unless you count Ike). If this continues until October 24, that's a record major hurricane drought. Hurricane Andrew (444) 13:20, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! (I'm relatively new too, but you probably have a hint of a clue about me since I was around for a bit of 2010) The forums have really calmed down now and are stable ever since darren retired. He comes back everynow and then and downcasts YE and the EPac, but his surprise attacks aren't often. Ryan is doing a good job operating the forums now. :) What I'm curious about is your thoughts on this season. So far we have had a bunch of weak storms..one after each other at record pace. When do you think the season will get it's first major? When will the season start kicking out hurricanes? If ever? Yqt1001 13:30, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * 93L (future Harvey) could easily end that drought; from what I'm reading of the HWRF model available on the WunderMap, it's forecasting Harvey to have a pressure of 933–935 mbar as it scrapes Cuba and heads just north of the Yucatan. What happens after that is anyone's guess, but judging from the re-curvature shown in that model, Texas could easily see a direct hit from Harvey. They need the rain, but no major hurricanes, please! --HurricaneMaker99 14:14, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * And better late than never; welcome back, Eric :) --HurricaneMaker99 20:32, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, welcome back SkyFury! Since I just came on the forums, let me introduce myself. I am CobraStrike from Austin, Texas and I am 11 years old. Anyways, coincidentally, as this section on the US Hurricane Drought continues, Rick Knabb of the Weather Channel published an article on what he felt were the top 5 most overdue cities. They are:
 * 5. Tampa - Not one hurricane since the costliest hurricane (inflation adjusted) of 1921 has directly affected Tampa. They were lucky in 2004 to not get hit by a small Charley, which went a little further south.
 * 4. Savannah - Not a major hurricane has affected Savannah, Georgia since 1893. Even the National Hurricane Center calls Georgia hurricanes sleeping giants.
 * 3. New York City - The large population makes it vulnurable, and the number of "close calls" makes people think the Big Apple is a hurricane shield.
 * 2. San Diego - Not since 1858.
 * 1. Honolulu - Has never been affected by a hurricane, yet has had close calls.
 * CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 16:21, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eric, what's baffling to me a bit more is our East coast streak in the U.S. We have not seen a major hurricane in the U.S. since October 24, 2005, discounting Ike of 2008. We usually see an east coast hurricane in the U.S. once every two years, but we have gone for 6 years without an east coast hurricane in 2011, since Katrina in 2005. That is the longest streak I can find in the history of ever. A close runner-up was an almost from Ginger of 1971 to David of 1979, but Hurricane Belle hit near NYC as a minor hurricane in August 1976. The closest runner-up for no Major hurricanes streak in the U.S. was, well, the civil war, almost since record-keeping began. I didn't think Hurricane Wiki would get so out of control ever since you left Eric, but the good news is you're back now. And CobraStrike, the biggest overdue city in the United States is actually Miami, Florida. Despite having a history of over, say thousands of major hurricanes in the past 150 years, the last time Miami was devastated by a monster hurricane was in 1926(Andrew of 1992 missed them a teeny bit to the south). If Miami was hit by a monster category 5 hurricane today, it would cause over 150 billion in damage because Miami has buit up so much since Andrew, and after Miami comes NYC, then Houston(New Orleans already got devastated), then Tampa/Savannah, and to a lesser extent places like Virginia Beach, Virginia and Atlantic City, New Jersy, perhaps Jacksonville or Charelston as well. The only epically devastating cyclone thus far this year was Yasi, which kicked the living sh!t out of Queensland last February, and became one of the worst storms in Australia's history, let alone the costliest discounting inflation. Innisfail, Mission Beach, and Tully were wiped off of the face of the earth from Yasi's massive storm surge, estimated by some to be higher than even Katrina's. It's a good thing that that 155 mph, 300 mile wide monster didn't hit a bigger city like Townsville or Brisbane, and fortunately it caused only one (indirect) death. Ryan1000 16:57, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yqt, I agree, the lack of power displayed by the storms thus far in 2011 is surprising. This is the latest we have gone without a hurricane since 2006, and most of the seasons that wait this late have been down years. That said, we've had seven names scratched off the list, which is a damn lot, but not one of them has been a hurricane. 2002 waited until the 'G' storm (Gustav) on September 11 before it had its first hurricane. No season in the naming era (since 1950) has gone this far down the list still hurricane-less. I remember the 2003 EPAC season went all the way down to Ignacio before they had a hurricane. They did not have a major hurricane that year for the first time in forever. It's really difficult to say when the season will start showing some force. Emily was a big freaking mystery. The models were clueless. It should've turned north and threatened the US as at least a borderline hurricane but instead it stalled off Hispaniola and died. That was bizarre. Yeah Ryan, beginning in 2004, hurricanes started trending noticably to the south through the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico. That in part explains the lack of any in the Carolinas and northward, but that doesn't explain the lack of any Florida impacts. Only four hurricanes (officially) have made landfall in the US since 2005, all of them along the western Gulf Coast, three in Texas and one in Louisiana. I will point out that Ernesto in 2006 and Hanna in 2008, which hit virtually the same spot in southern North Carolina, were so close to hurricane strength at landfall that the difference is negligible. However, you are right, the US eastern seaboard is in a major drought. The Atlantic coast has not had a major tropical event since Jeanne in 2004 (although Katrina, despite its lower intensity, did knock Florida around pretty good). North of Florida, there has not been a significant hurricane event since Isabel in 2003. Even more incredibly, there has not been a major event in New England in 20 years (Bob, 1991). It's like the Florida Panhandle's big drought before Eloise in 1975. And don't get me started on New York City. In my opinion, that's another Katrina waiting to happen. If they get so much as a Cat. 2 coming as far west as Brooklyn, they're in deep shit. -- SkyFury 23:14, August 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * But it's almost the opposite in the East Pacific somehow. Eric, we have had 6 hurricanes thus far in this year's EPac season, counting Greg's rescent upgrade, and if we get Fernanda to become a hurricane, it will mark the first time in the history of EVER that the first 7 storms there became hurricanes. The ACE in this year's EPac season has already jumped ahead of where last year ended at. The ACE per storm thus far is about 6.8(and counting) in EPac. 1992 had a total ACE per storm of about 11 in the EPac; 1990's ACE/storm was a little higher. Heck, at this rate, if Fernanda becomes a 'cane, all of this year's EPac storms will be hurricanes. In the case of the activity stuff Eric, Danielle wasn't even named at this time last year and keep in mind 2010 AHS still got to 19 storms, 12 canes, and 5 majors(yet somehow no U.S. hurricanes), so don't count out on this season yet, since the heart of 2011 is still yet to come. Now with the overdue places. Yes, I do agree with you a major hurricane, let alone a 100 mph or stronger storm, hitting NYC would be a horrible disaster for the U.S, but as I mentioned, a category 5 hurricane hitting Miami would be the worst-case scenario for destruction in the U.S. They have had a longer drought than any other major city in the U.S. except for NYC. The last, and to date, most severe major hurricane to directly hit Miami was the great Miami hurricane of 1926. True Miami has had a lot of near-close calls since then but no direct hits by any hurricanes of the intensity of the 1926 storm. Andrew, as I mentioned above, missed them by only 10 or 20 miles to the south, but it missed them far enough not to directly hit them. I can't imagine what a hurricane like the 1926 hurricane would do to Miami today. It would be a disaster without parallell in U.S. history. NYC would be severely damaged by a 115-125 mph major hurricane today, but Miami would be butt f**ked by a 150-160 mph category 4-5 monster. Although there are many overdue places in the U.S, Miami takes the cake. I'm not doomcasting here, but i'm pointing out some very important facts about how lucky we really have gotten since the monster(s) of '04, '05, and '08. This year could just be the last straw... Ryan1000 05:01, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not saying it wouldn't be really bad, but Miami is a well-prepared city and an Category 5 taking direct aim at a major city is a one in a million shot. Only three have made landfall anywhere in the United States in the past 160 years. Granted, if a major city was going to take a Cat 5 on the chin, it would probably be Miami, but the odds are still astronomical. That said, I am by no means dismissing the threat. A Cat 4 similar to the 1926 storm would be devastating. However, I would not expect a high death toll. The government and emergency personnel in south Florida have an organized and well-rehearsed evacuation plan. I would not expect another Rita. The damage would be extremely severe. Miami Beach would probably be all but wiped out and Coral Gables would be laid to waste. But I wouldn't expect a death toll much higher than Andrew. New York City on the other hand is a nightmare. The entire metro area is extremely low lying and sits right at the vertex of a concave coast. A 5-8 ft surge in Florida would be a 10-12 ft surge in NYC. An 8 ft surge hit the coast of Brooklyn during the 1938 hurricane despite the fact that the storm made landfall over 40 miles away. Like 15-20 million people live in Manhattan and Brooklyn alone. Even if you only had to evacuate a third of them, it would still be a logistical nightmare. Where would you put them all? Where do you send them? There are no direct routes away from ground zero. Brooklyn and Queens are on an island. Emergency managers up there have no experience with hurricanes. They'd have to figure it out as they went. The skyscrapers of Manhattan would act to funnel the storm surge, making it even worse. Anyone still on the streets when the storm hits is dead. A Category 3 or greater storm coming through Jamaica Bay and up through the city could kill over 1,000 people and do over $100 billion in damage. The economic cost would be at least twice that. Wall Street would be shut down for weeks, possibly months. The floors of the stock exchange would be flooded and gutted. Subways would be flooded and shorted out. It would take weeks just to pump the water out, let alone get them running again. Streets would be flooded or clogged with debris. Who knows how long it would take for the water to recede. The biggest commercial port in the US would be shut down. The economic capital of the world would be crippled. Even a Category 3, let alone a Category 4, could make 9/11 look like a traffic accident. -- SkyFury 19:08, August 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * The only thing I was saying is that a category 5 hurricane hardly leaves anything behind in it's wake. A category 3 hurricane causes severe damage. A category 5 causes catastrophic damage. Mark my words, and mark them good, there is no city on the entire gulf and east coast that is ready for a category 5 hurricane, and Miami definitely isn't. You can prepare for a category 5, but can never be ready for a category 5. What you're saying is NYC is so much more vulnerable to hurricanes that a cat 3 hitting them would be worse than a category 5 hitting Miami, ect, and I can completly understand that. I'm smart enough to know better, I know NYC is a tucked back coastal town, I know there are 15 million people in the 300-square mile city and I know evacuating all of those people would be next to impossible in a day or less, especially if a hurricane is approaching them at 60 miles an hour, like the 1938 hurricane did. New England hurricanes start to rocket in forward speed once they pass the Carolinas, and they can arrive to a landfall in hours, which can make evacuation decisions critical if they are made too early in places that aren't hit. What i'm saying is category 3 hurricanes destroy many structures in their path, but category 5 hurricanes destroy everything in their path, and only a handfull of cat 5's haven't been retired in the NAtl. Cleo was one, which was a rare fish cat. 5, Edith was another, which struck an unpopulated part of Honduras known as cabo gracias a dios(cape thank god), before hitting the U.S. as a cat 2, and lastly, Emily of '05, which, despite causing widespread destruction across the Caribbean and Mexico, didn't become retired. I personally don't think Ethel of 1960 really was a cat 5, but if it really was, it only tapped the gulf as a minor TS. What I was saying is a category 5 hurricane destroying 90-100% of all the buildings in Miami might do more damage than a category 3 destroying 60-80% of NYC's buildings simply because they leave behind hardly nothing, not to mention a cat 5 in Miami could also devastate a gulf coast city like Houston, Tampa, New Orleans, Corpus Christi, or Mobile(no offense Eric). The big difference between Miami and NYC is how the people think about hurricanes. People in NYC say "you know, we don't get hurricanes here", and people in Miami say "Ah, we get hurricanes all the time; this one won't be any different from the others". Neither of them think right; the people there need to get ready every hurricane season. Every season is a gamble, with millions of lives at risk. Anyways, I don't want to do any doomcasting or argue over which hurricane would be worse since it's obvious neither scenario is good. Back to the seasonal activity, Eric, we have had 8 storms but no hurricanes thus far. I asked you earlier on your talk page what you thought 2011 would be like for the NAtl, and even though the NAtl hasn't produced anything catastrophic as of yet, worldwide we have had one(Yasi), as I mentioned earlier, it was Australia's costliest cyclone in history excluding inflation and second costliest counting inflation behind Tracy. Since we have had no hurricanes out of our first 8 storms thus far in 2011 AHS, does this season remind you of 2007, or do you not think we will have so many hurricanes ths year altogether? If the 16-storm forecast average remains true for the rest of 2011, we have to have 8 consecutive hurricanes starting with Irene to get the forecast numbers. I think we will only have 4-6 hurricanes, assuming the total numbers remain 16-17 storms. But it all depends. Ryan1000 01:24, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * While a lot of storms so far in 2011 have fizzled, the season as a whole has been very active. We've already had nine storms and there's still a week of August left. The GFS brings two new storms off the west coast of Africa in the coming days, one of which is already a medium risk area. We could very easily be on the 'L' storm by the beginning of September. This makes me nervous about what September holds. Conditions overall in the Atlantic have greatly improved and we're already seeing the danger of that with Irene, which could turn out to be a very serious event. The Bermuda High has been much weaker the past couple of years than it was from 2004-2009. However if significant ridging could build ahead of one of these African waves, which seem to be coming in bunches, we could very easily see a major Caribbean hurricane. So while we may not have as many hurricanes as originally forecast, the forecast for total activity is still looking good. And remember, it only takes one bad storm to make it a bad season (see Andrew). -- SkyFury 05:29, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the case of Irene, it has a good chance to make landfall in the U.S. as at least a 100 mph C2, but that depends on if it continues to rapidly intensify into a category 4 or 5(more probable for a 4), and then ends the streak for east coast hurricanes. There is no gurantee the eastern seaboard will reccieve a category 3 landfall, especially if it misses the outer banks, but it is more than likely it will be at least a category 2 when it does make landfall. I would be surprised if Irene doesn't make it to a 135-140 mph C4 today. However, yes Eric, given the fact we haven't had our first hurricane until Irene came along, we might not have as many hurricanes as we were expected to see; i'd expect about 6-7 in the entire season. However, as you said, it can just take one(perhaps Irene) to make 2011 a notable season. Although the Bermuda high has been weaker than normal, it certainly won't be enough right now, especially for Irene, it has a pretty good chance to not miss the entire east coast. Although Wilma is considered to remain the most rescent U.S. major, I don't want to exclude Ike of 2008 since it was the third costliest hurricane in U.S. history and 5th deadliest hurricane to hit the U.S. since 1950. Only Diane, Audrey, Agnes, and Katrina were deadlier since then, so in my book, Irene would be the first in 3 years. Ryan1000 12:38, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * What's more concerning is the Texas-Southeast US drought. Since puny Don couldn't bust the dry air, it will likely take a major hurricane landfall to relieve the drought, and that could be devastating considering 32C+ Gulf SSTs. 2007Astro'sHurricane 20:55, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * The folks down there can use a break after Humberto, Dolly, Gustav, and Ike of 2007-08. Florida might need a wake-up call though because ever since '04 and '05, they have seen virtually nothing. Everywhere else they can stay the hell away from! Ryan1000 21:55, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

The drought is over
Irene has made landfall near Cape Lookout, NC as a strong (85/90 mph) Category 1. --HurricaneMaker99 11:59, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

So, we finally have a hurricane after 3 years, and a east coast one in 6 years. This hurricane drought was the longest one since 1999-2002, and the east coast 'cane drought was a record drought that has finally ended. Hurricane Andrew (444) 13:32, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not looking good for the folks in New England... Due to Irene's rapid forward speed, it's forecast to directly pass over NYC from the south, so damage from her could still be very severe. Ryan1000 15:22, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * The pattern this year favours US landfalls, so i can only wonder how drought busting htis year will be. Only time will tell I guss. Yqt1001 22:01, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * This hurricane drought took a spot in 2nd for the longest drought, only behind the CIVIL WAR. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:16, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just did calculations, and it turns out the time between Ike's landfall and Irene's landfall is 1077 days! 1077!!! That number is incredible. And CS, the US hurricane drought that happened between Hurricane Allen in 1980 and Hurricane Alicia in 1983 was longer than this drought, but shorter than the Civil War drought (The 1980-1983 absence totaled 1103 days). Hurricane Andrew (444) 22:36, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * That depends if you do or don't count Iwa of 1982, which struck Hawaii in November. And the longest east coast streak was technically 1861-1869, if you want to go that far back. The longest hurricane streak? There are a number of close calls. Irene 99 to Lili 2002, Andrew 1992 to Erin 1995, Ike to Irene, and since the Civil war, the record in question is from November 2, 1861 to September 13, 1865. That record still stands as of today. Ryan1000 22:42, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I were to pick at the Civil War drought, I would think that there was a hurricane landfalling on the US in that time frame, because the Americans were to busy at the Civil War to make certain that a hurricane did/did not make landfall. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:57, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * We couldn't have made that drought so, it was either a quiet perod in NAtl or just a really good run of luck. Ryan1000 23:01, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * The hurricane drought is over, but the major hurricane drought is not. Suprise11 16:18, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * The major hurricane drought is not even three years yet becasue as far as I'm concerned, Ike was a major hurricane. I'll buy that Gustav wasn't, if close, but Ike was. -- SkyFury 23:02, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't really tell the difference between a normal U.S. MH and a ginormus C2 which was one of the worst storms ever known. We went 5 years without one from Bret 1999 to Charley 2004(Unless you count Isabel), and since Wilma of 2005, we certainly had Ike and Gustav, and Irene most rescently, but although none of them were major hurricanes when they hit the U.S, they certainly had the impacts of them. We still have a chance to see an "official" U.S. MH in this year since 2011 is far from over, but Irene was the only wake-up call we really needed. Ryan1000 05:46, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * The major hurricane drought is not even three years yet becasue as far as I'm concerned, Ike was a major hurricane. I'll buy that Gustav wasn't, if close, but Ike was. -- SkyFury 23:02, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't really tell the difference between a normal U.S. MH and a ginormus C2 which was one of the worst storms ever known. We went 5 years without one from Bret 1999 to Charley 2004(Unless you count Isabel), and since Wilma of 2005, we certainly had Ike and Gustav, and Irene most rescently, but although none of them were major hurricanes when they hit the U.S, they certainly had the impacts of them. We still have a chance to see an "official" U.S. MH in this year since 2011 is far from over, but Irene was the only wake-up call we really needed. Ryan1000 05:46, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Replacement names
Again, no harm in starting this early like in the WPAC. Do you guys have replacement names in mind for Irene (and/or Arlene/Emily)?

These are mine:

Female "I" names: Hurricane Andrew (444) 02:23, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Isa
 * Izzy
 * Ivy
 * Ila
 * Ilsa
 * Iman
 * Iphigenia
 * Idelia


 * What about Inga, Irma, or Ilsa? --HurricaneMaker99 03:38, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * There is also Irah (which was used years ago), Ilona, and Isla (pronouncd EYE-lah). Some strange "I" names are upon us... Check out Babynames.com, and look at the "I" names! Once we get past the aforementioned names, we are in for even weirder ones, as it looks like the "I" storm will always be at the peak of the season, and will commonly be a large offender. <font face= "Candara"><font color="6666CC">~TDI19!!! <font color="FF0000">...To...<font color="99CCFF">...From... 04:13, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Iva was formerly an EPac mystery retirement, perhaps due to the fact it was confusing with Iwa, which itself became retired due to it's destruction in Hawaii in 1982. My personal pick for Irene, if it even does become retired, would be Irma. And Arlene and Emily weren't bad enough for the places they hit, so I won't offer any replacements for them. Ryan1000 06:49, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Check out http://www.momswhothink.com/baby-girl-names/baby-girl-names-i.html for more names. Hurricane Andrew (444) 12:10, August 28, 2011 (UTC).
 * Check out http://www.momswhothink.com/baby-girl-names/baby-girl-names-i.html for more names. Hurricane Andrew (444) 12:10, August 28, 2011 (UTC).

Here are some more: 70.171.254.210 00:28, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ilaria
 * Imelda
 * Immacolata
 * Ines
 * Italia
 * Ilene
 * Ivory
 * Ivonette
 * Ivonne
 * Idoya
 * Ivette
 * Izumi
 * Iva
 * Ioanna
 * Irena

Ines seems unlikely due to Inez, which was formerly retired, and Irena seems a little too close to Irene IMO, but if the WMO can replace Rita with Rina, or Stan with Sean, both of which are 1 letter-off names, I won't rule it out. Italia seems unlikely as well since it's Spanish for Italy, a country's name(Israel replaced Ismael, a former EPac retiree, but it was never used because Israel felt offended from that name choice and requested it be removed). Again, my personal pick would be Irma. But we'll have to wait and see. Ryan1000 05:28, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">Remember, Ryan, the statute of limitations on retired names is 30 years. Fabian (which replaced Frederic in 1979) was replaced with Fred in 2003. To follow up Hurricane Maker, I like Inga, but it may be too close to Ingrid, which is already on the list. Irma and Ilsa are also good options. Ivana is an option. I also like Imogen and Ileane but the latter may be too close to Ileana, which is in use in EPAC. Iva and Ivy are two other English options. If I had to pick a favorite, it would probably be either Inga or Ileane, which is phonetically the closest. -- SkyFury 22:54, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Eric, the Federic>Fabian>Fred (mess up) from list 1 doesn't gurantee that the gap must be 30 years(especially since that was the only time it ever happened). Things can be different with replacement names. As I mentioned above, if the WMO can replace Rita with Rina, or Stan with Sean, which are both 1-letter off names from the retired name in question, it can't be said that the replacement name must be much different from the retiree in question, and the fact Ileana is in use in the EPac doesn't at all mean that Ileane can't be used as a replacement for Irene because Frank was used in last year's PHS and Franklin, a longer version of Frank and the name in place of Floyd, was used earlier this year in NAtl. So variants of names can be used in both ATL and EPac and replacement names can be one or two letters off from the retiree in question and still be acceptable by the requesting country. If you would rather stay away from variants of in-use names in either basin, names that are close to the retiree, or variants of former retirees, that's fine, but based on the facts, there is no gurantee a name can't be chosen under those conditions. When we requested Isabel of 2003, we send the names Ida, Ina, and Ivy as possible replacements of Isabel. The WMO selected Ida which was used two years ago, so given that they have two more backup "I" names, I wouldn't be surprised if Ina or Ivy is chosen. When a country requests a name to be removed, they send two or three possible names to replace the offending name. If it's different from any other name not in use and not formerly retired, the WMO just goes for it, I guess... My personal pick for Irene, as I mentioned earlier, would be Irma. Ryan1000 03:13, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">I was referring to your dismissal of Ines/Inez as an option because it was retired in 1966. Just because it was retired in 1966 doesn't mean it can't be reassigned now that 45 years have passed. The generally accepted statute of limitations is 30 years and so far this has been generally followed, though Fred definately pushed it at exactly 30 years. I agree with you that just because a name is close to one that is retired or in use in another basin does not mean that it can't be used. If it's close to one in use in the Atlantic, however, that might be different. I think Inga is far enough away from Ingrid that it could be used, though it would make more sense as a replacement for Ingrid itself. If I had to pick a favorite, it would be Ileane. I think it flows well, though I imagine it might look a little different spraypainted on plywood. -- SkyFury 06:25, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Eric, as I mentioned earlier, the Frederic>Fabian>Fred trio from list 1 doesn't gurantee the gap must be 30 years. Heck, Rita of 2005 was one of the worst U.S. storms ever and it was replaced with Rina. The difference between Rita and Rina is just about the same as Frederic and Fred IMO. I personally also try to stay away from variations of former retirees, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. Ileane wouldn't be bad, given Frank and Franklin are on both lists, there is no gurantee variants of EPac names can't be used in NAtl either. We truly don't know what will happen with replacement names, but I am baffled by some of the WMO's picks. Dean's was the best example of WTF. Fred's choice was baffling, but Dean's replacement name was the worst excuse for a replacement name in the history of ever. Felix and Noel just made it worse... (I'm not reminding you of how silly the French are). Ryan1000 09:22, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

I don´t know why you say Dorian is a bad name for replacement because I really like it and maybe Mexico send that name to replace Dean because in there Dorian is a popular name Allanjeffs 20:58, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">No, it was chosen because somebody important is an Oscar Wilde fan. Ryan, don't get me started on the French, I think you know how I feel about that. Some of the replacement names recently have been absolutely ridiculous. Pretty soon people won't be able to listen to the tropical update without giggling. "Here's Tropical Storm Dorian..." *hysterical laughter*. Dorian was the worst, but Fernand? As far as I'm concerned, that's a typo. Fernando would've been the perfect choice, especially given the Spanish theme and that's the name that I acknowledge. Katia was a little silly but at least it makes sense with the Russian theme of Katrina. Rina sounds like something bad that happens to your kidneys. Gonzalo replacing Gustav was dumb. Isaias is kind of cool. And they redeemed themselves last year with Ian and Tobias, though why Matthew wasn't retired is beyond me, and I'm still confused about Alex and Karl. Apparently they weren't as bad as initially reported. Hanna is still a crime. -- SkyFury 21:24, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, end of that. I won't discuss anymore about the replacement name fails with the WMO. Pisses me off... If any name would be more descent for Gustav, it would have been Gary IMO. Ian should have been Ike's replacement. Why Matthew wasn't retired is no mystery to me because after all the reports I went through with Mexico and Nicaragua after Matthew, it couldn't have done 2.6 billion in damage. That must be a false number. And Mexico hasn't retired many other storms in the past Eric. Alex and Karl are two. Others include Emily of 2005(massive damage on the Yucatan and the gulf coast of Mexico), Liza of 1976(the worst crime in EPac history; as many as 950 deaths in Mexico and no retirement), along with Tara and Tico. Paul of 1982 was also destructive and deadly, but it caused most of it's destruction as a precursor wave and not a named tropical cyclone. Allan, I believe Dean was nominated by Martinique or Guadelupe, not Mexico. Dean did more damage in the lesser antillies than it did in the greater antillies because those smaller lesser islands get little warning of the storm, wheras Jamacia and Mexico have very advanced warning systems for tropical cyclones so they minimize destruction and/or deaths despite the storm's intensity. Agatha of last year is an utter mystery as well... Alma on the other hand, did become retired, but because Alma means "Soul" in Spanish, the reason behind her retirement after 2008 may have been the fact the name itself was offensive and was retired for that reason rather than being destructive. That's my opinion. Mexico is probrably more conservative for retirements than any other country except Haiti(well, they almost never retire names anyway... remember Tomas was nominated by St. Lucia last year). Ryan1000 22:14, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 40px">Matthew killed 143 people, Ryan. I couldn't care less what the damage figure is, the death toll is staggering. Death toll > property damage in my book. And also, I think you missed my point earlier. I never said the gap must be 30 years. I said 30 years was generally accepted as an unwritten policy. I never said that limit was a strict stipulation, but it's a courtesy generally adhered to. The only reason I even brought it up in the first place was because you said that Inez/Ines wasn't an option because it had been retired in 1966. I said just because it was retired 45 years ago doesn't mean we can't use it now. You spent a whole lot of time preaching to the choir. You're right, just because a replacement name is similar doesn't mean it can't be used. It's generally frowned upon though to replace a retired name with a shortened form of the same name, like replacing Michael with Mike for example. Or Frederic with Fred, though again, that was not done directly and it satisfied the 30 year statute of limitations. These aren't necessarily rules, just etiquettes. -- SkyFury 03:48, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I know there isn't a requirement for the gap to be 30 years, but if there are exeptions to the "rule", then we can't say those exeptions won't repeat themselves. I'm not all upset over chosing close names to former retirees, but to some extent(like Ines/Inez), yes. If you also don't like that, that's fine. I also agree with you on the fact deaths should weigh more than damage, but things aren't always that way for retired names. My personal opinion on retired names is dependent on how many problems a storm causes for an entire country as a whole. Hurricane Irene this year cut off transportation, left millions of people without power, and caused extensive damage over a widespread area of the eastern seaboard. Some areas described it as their worst storm in many years(not refering to Darren's opinion there). So Irene has a very good chance of being retired based on that. Worldwide, the only true shoe-in is Yasi of the SPac, but it obliterated entire towns in Quensland from it's massive storm surge and caused many problems for all of Australia. It just has to be retired. Ryan1000 04:45, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hurricane Hall of Fame
Hurricane Maker has expressed interest in me resurrecting my Hurricane Hall of Fame. I started it several years ago as just a fun little project, but then I brought it onto Wikipedia and it kind of took off. However it has been dormant since I left Wikipedia in 2010. There has not been an official class since 2008. I always wanted to expand my voter pool and our little tight knit group here on the forums seems like the perfect choice. I was thinking of adding the HOF ballot to our yearly betting pools page. See the link for some background and the rules and guidelines I laid out (years ago...I recently upped the cost limits for automatic nomination and induction). The way it normally worked was that I would make a list of ten nominees from which five would be selected, but I'm definately open to suggestions. I've also developed a seperate Historical Electorate (akin to Cooperstown's Historical Committee) for storms prior to 1875. In the HE, three inductees are selected from a list of ten nominees. What do you guys think? -- SkyFury 23:50, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm interested. At the end of this year, we may add a HOF ballot to the end of this year's betting pools in all basins. I don't know how the selection round will go then, voting process? CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:27, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it would be a good idea, considering the fact that many people may express interest. Hurricane Andrew (444) 14:57, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Great idea, CS.10L.NONAME 20:50, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * My question is, if we're going to do this as an end-of-the-year thing, then does that have an impact on the "two seasons old" criterion for inclusion? Also, perhaps voters could submit their own nominations? --HurricaneMaker99 21:00, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * But then again this is the Hurricane Wikia. If we decide to keep the "two year seasons old" criterion, then voting pools can still happen every year, just that hurricanes will only be inducted once 2 seasons old. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:02, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. There's lots of hurricanes before 2009.10L.NONAME 22:55, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * The ones I personally want inducted are from '07 and '08; I asked in case anyone would have wanted to nominate any post-'09 storms. --HurricaneMaker99 22:58, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Should this be moved to a forum of it's own? YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  23:07, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * What, the section or a new forum for the HOF? CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:08, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this should be it's own forum, like the favorite storms of 2011 forum I made earlier this year. The Worldwide activity discussion forum on the TC BasinNAV is for discussing worldwide activity of 2011. I also made one for 2012 as well, but it's made ahead of time. IMO Tip is no. 1 in the hall of Fame. Ryan1000 23:22, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think a separate forum page for this is a better option than the section. We had a huge debate over the same thing related to the WAD being in the EPac forum. The HoH isn't Atlantic only so it shouldn't be in the Atlantic forum. Yqt1001 00:41, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Based on the current consensus...I'll go ahead and make a forum for the HoH and move this. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:45, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would let SkyFury make it. It's his thing anyways. Yqt1001 00:49, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I just made it, sorry, but SkyFury can go ahead and edit it to his liking. The forum is here. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:06, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I've posted a bunch of information if you guys want to check it out. -- SkyFury 03:36, September 1, 2011 (UTC)