Forum:Hurricane Hall of Fame

Hurricane Hall of Fame
Hurricane Maker has expressed interest in me resurrecting my Hurricane Hall of Fame. I started it several years ago as just a fun little project, but then I brought it onto Wikipedia and it kind of took off. However it has been dormant since I left Wikipedia in 2010. There has not been an official class since 2008. I always wanted to expand my voter pool and our little tight knit group here on the forums seems like the perfect choice. I was thinking of adding the HOF ballot to our yearly betting pools page. See the link for some background and the rules and guidelines I laid out (years ago...I recently upped the cost limits for automatic nomination and induction). The way it normally worked was that I would make a list of ten nominees from which five would be selected, but I'm definately open to suggestions. I've also developed a seperate Historical Electorate (akin to Cooperstown's Historical Committee) for storms prior to 1875. In the HE, three inductees are selected from a list of ten nominees. What do you guys think? -- SkyFury 23:50, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm interested. At the end of this year, we may add a HOF ballot to the end of this year's betting pools in all basins. I don't know how the selection round will go then, voting process? CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:27, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it would be a good idea, considering the fact that many people may express interest. Hurricane Andrew (444) 14:57, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Great idea, CS.10L.NONAME 20:50, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * My question is, if we're going to do this as an end-of-the-year thing, then does that have an impact on the "two seasons old" criterion for inclusion? Also, perhaps voters could submit their own nominations? --HurricaneMaker99 21:00, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * But then again this is the Hurricane Wikia. If we decide to keep the "two year seasons old" criterion, then voting pools can still happen every year, just that hurricanes will only be inducted once 2 seasons old. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:02, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. There's lots of hurricanes before 2009.10L.NONAME 22:55, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * The ones I personally want inducted are from '07 and '08; I asked in case anyone would have wanted to nominate any post-'09 storms. --HurricaneMaker99 22:58, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Should this be moved to a forum of it's own? YE Tropical Cyclone  23:07, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * What, the section or a new forum for the HOF? CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:08, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this should be it's own forum, like the favorite storms of 2011 forum I made earlier this year. The Worldwide activity discussion forum on the TC BasinNAV is for discussing worldwide activity of 2011. I also made one for 2012 as well, but it's made ahead of time. IMO Tip is no. 1 in the hall of Fame. Ryan1000 23:22, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think a separate forum page for this is a better option than the section. We had a huge debate over the same thing related to the WAD being in the EPac forum. The HHoH isn't Atlantic only so it shouldn't be in the Atlantic forum. Yqt1001 00:41, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Based on the current consensus...I'll go ahead and make a forum for the HoH and move this. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:45, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Like I said back when this was in the ATL forum, I think SkyFury should be writing this. Also why is it called 2011 HHoH? Not like the discussion relates to a year or anything. Maybe it could be changed to HHoH and then have another topic called "2011 HHoH Voting" when the time for voting comes? CS changed it. Yqt1001 01:07, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 01:13, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I clearly underestimated the level of interest. I come back 24 hours after I first brought it up and it's already got its own page. As the creater and founder of the Hurricane Hall of Fame as well as the keeper of the record, I feel like I should have final say as to how this is run. This is definately a democracy and I in fact want your input, but remember, this is my baby here. First, let me clear a few things up. Atlantic and East & West Pacific are the only basins included at this time. We can talk about expansion at some other time. Also, because of the shear volume of eligible, deserving storms, each basin gets its own ballot. The Wikipedia pages only list the Atlantic members. I have an Excel file on my computer with the entire list. Yes, Ryan, Tip was inducted with the inaugural WPac class of 2007. Also keep in mind that I started this as just a fun little thing. The first two Atlantic classes (2004 and 2005) and the only four Pacific classes (2007 and 2008 for East and West) were hand selected by me. It wasn't until 2006 that I brought the Atlantic ballot to Wikipedia and started running it like a real HOF. I can have my official list posted to this forum, if you guys would like, by this weekend. You will then be free to scrutinize my early selections. I think you will find them agreeable, but I'm willing to listen to grievances. -- SkyFury 08:50, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

The Nomination and Election Process
As I mentioned, there will be a list of ten nominees from which five will be chosen. Historically, I chose the ten nominees that were voted on. Obviously in this expanded format, we'll want it to be more democratic than that. However, I don't want a free-for-all with people just randomly throwing out names. I'd like it to be more controlled than that. One idea I dabbled in a while back was the "Pool of Twenty". I could propose a list of twenty storms that we could discuss. Names could be added or subtracted per consensus. For example, if there's a storm that's not in the Pool of Twenty that you guys feel merits more consideration than one that is in the Pool, they can be swapped. Me whittling it to twenty would greatly expedite the selection process while still allowing you guys plenty of say.

It's important to keep an open mind. Remember what I said about recentism. The HHOF goes all the way back to 1800 (the Great Hurricane of 1780 received a special exemption). That's a lot of history. Each of the nominees has to measure up fairly with any storm over the past 200 years. I would strongly encourage you guys to do some research on our candidates. The selections should be in keeping with the principles I laid out on the Wikipedia page. Also, we shouldn't drag out this voting process. I'd like the nominees to be decided on within a week's time. We could push it longer, but let's shoot for one week.

Once the ten nominees have been decided, I'll let you guys stew on them for a few days (maybe a week) during which you will each decide on your list of five. That will be your ballot. Then, on a pre-selected date (don't worry, that's not strict...we can accomodate stragglers), we all submit our ballots. Once the ballots are in, the inductees can be determined two different ways. We could set it up so that the five that appear on the most ballots are in. This would set up an engaging debate when the inevitable tie occurs to decide the final one or two spots. Or we could say the storms that appear on a majority (>50%) of ballots are in. This also allows room for healthy debate should fewer than five meet this requirement. Either one would be fine, but I don't want it set up like the Baseball Hall of Fame and others where a certain percentage is required to get in. Five is a good number. Unfortunately, there have been no shortage of devastating, as well as curious and record-breaking, storms worthy of enshrinement. - SF

Voting Schedule
Now, I generally like to do the ballot in May or June, when excitement about the coming hurricane season is high. By November, I think we're all pretty much hurricane-ed out. Also May/June is right around the time we're doing our betting pools. However doing it at the end would allow us to start this year, although we may do something special for the Resurrection Year. It also fits nicely with the "two seasons" rule. I'm flexible on when we do the vote, but it can be no earlier than December and no later than June. Like I said, I'd prefer to do it in May, however if we chose May, then we may want to do a special resurrection vote this fall. - SF

The "Two Seasons" Rule
Let me explain the two seasons rule: As a staunch opponent of recentism, I don't want nominees to be too fresh on the minds of voters (you guys). Under the two seasons rule, two full seasons must pass before a storm is eligible. 2008's Hurricane Hanna, for example, did not become eligible until the conclusion of the 2010 season. This is regardless of whether we decide to do the vote in December or in the spring. This is one of the rules I'm not too flexible on. - SF

Historical Electorate
Because the Atlantic pool is so vast, given the depth of the historical record, and there are so many old storms worthy of enshrinement, in 2007 (the same time I established the East and West Pacific Halls) I created the Historical Electorate. Under this format, the main ballot would be restricted to storms from 1875-present and storms prior to 1875 would be voted on in the HE. Based on Cooperstown's Historical Committee, the HE would consist of a separate list of ten nominees from which you guys would select three inductees. For the sake of time and to reduce the research load on you guys, I will probably select the ten nominees. - SF

Boy, that's a lot isn't it! Yeah, I've had six years to think about this. I'm sure there are other details to hammer out but this is a good breakdown of the major talking points. Please post your comments under the section to which it is relevant. For general discussion of the HHOF itself, post in the main section above "Rules and Organization". Thanks! -- SkyFury 08:50, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

2004 (Inaugural Class)

 * 1886 Indianola Hurricane - August, 1886
 * Sea Islands Hurricane - August, 1893
 * Chenier Caminada Hurricane - October, 1893 (automatic inductions in bold)
 * Great Galveston Hurricane - September, 1900
 * Great Miami Hurricane - September, 1926
 * Lake Okeechobee Hurricane - September, 1928
 * Labor Day Hurricane - September, 1935
 * Great New England Hurricane - September, 1938
 * Hurricane Carol - August, 1954
 * Hurricane Hazel - October, 1954
 * Hurricane Audrey - June, 1957
 * Hurricane Donna - September, 1960
 * Hurricane Betsy - September, 1965
 * Hurricane Camille - August, 1969
 * Hurricane Agnes - June, 1972
 * Hurricane Fifi - September, 1974
 * Hurricane David - Aug/Sep, 1979
 * Hurricane Allen - August, 1980
 * Hurricane Gilbert - September, 1988
 * Hurricane Hugo - September, 1989
 * Hurricane Andrew - August, 1992
 * Hurricane Opal - October, 1995
 * Hurricane Mitch - October, 1998
 * Hurricane Floyd - September, 1999

2005

 * Last Island Hurricane - August, 1856
 * San Ciriaco Hurricane - August, 1899
 * Grand Isle Hurricane - September, 1909
 * Santo Domingo Hurricane - September, 1930
 * Great Atlantic Hurricane - September, 1944
 * Fort Lauderdale Hurricane - September, 1947
 * Hurricane Dog - September, 1950
 * Hurricane Janet - September, 1955
 * Hurricane Carla - September, 1961
 * Hurricane Flora - October, 1963
 * Hurricane Inez - Sep/Oct, 1966
 * Hurricane Beulah - September, 1967
 * Halloween Nor'easter (aka "The Perfect Storm") - October, 1991
 * Hurricane Georges - September, 1998
 * Hurricane Isabel - September, 2003
 * Hurricane Charley - August, 2004
 * Hurricane Frances - September, 2004
 * Hurricane Ivan - September, 2004
 * Hurricane Jeanne - September, 2004

2006

 * New York Hurricane - August, 1893
 * Florida Keys Hurricane - October, 1906
 * 1915 Galveston Hurricane - August, 1915
 * Atlantic Gulf Hurricane - September, 1919
 * Hurricane Able - May, 1951
 * Groundhog Day Storm - February, 1952
 * Hurricane Alice II - December, 1954
 * Hurricane Diane - August, 1955
 * Hurricane Hattie - October, 1961
 * Hurricane Faith - Aug/Sep, 1966
 * Hurricane Frederic - September, 1979
 * Hurricane Gordon - November, 1994
 * Tropical Storm Allison - June, 2001
 * Hurricane Katrina - August, 2005
 * Hurricane Rita - September, 2005
 * Hurricane Wilma - October, 2005

2007

 * Great Hurricane - October, 1780 (*by special exemption)
 * Great American Hurricane - September, 1821 (via Historical Electorate in italics)
 * Great Havana Hurricane - October, 1846
 * San Marcos Hurricane - October, 1870
 * Great Indianola Hurricane - September, 1875
 * 1881 Savannah-Carolina Hurricane - August, 1881
 * 1908 March Hurricane - March, 1908
 * Great Mexican Hurricane - August, 1909
 * National Day Hurricane - September, 1931
 * Great Cuban Hurricane - November, 1932
 * 1934 Central America Hurricane - June, 1934
 * 1935 Caribbean Hurricane - October, 1935
 * 1944 Cuba-Florida Hurricane - October, 1944
 * Hurricane Eloise - September, 1975

2008

 * 1813 West Indian Hurricane - August, 1813
 * Santa Ana Hurricane - July, 1825
 * Great Caribbean Hurricane - August, 1831
 * San Narciso Hurricane - October, 1867
 * Saxby's Gale - October, 1869
 * Straits of Florida Hurricane - September, 1888
 * New Orleans Hurricane - September, 1915
 * La Habana Hurricane - October, 1926
 * Hurricane Hilda - September 1955
 * Hurricane Joan - October, 1988
 * Cyclone Catarina - March, 2004 (*by special exemption)

2009

 * Hurricane Gustav - Aug/Sep, 2008
 * Hurricane Ike - September, 2008
 * (Note: There was no election in 2009. Gustav and Ike both qualified for automatic induction and therefore did not have to be voted in.)

Notes: Before 2007, the Hall of Fame was much less organized. The number of storms elected each year varied. When I compiled the Excel file, I broke it into ten storms elected per year for 2004-2006. I actually started the five storm per year format in 2006, but retroactively pushed it to ten to deal with overflow from the first two years. I also added the Historical Electorate in 2007. The only pre-1875 storm elected before 2007 was the Last Island Hurricane (1856). The automatic inductions were in no particular order and inducted as I found them. The last pre-2004 automatics were inducted in 2008. Note that before 2007, the Two Seasons Rule was not in effect; the required gap was instead just one season. However, Hurricane Isabel was the only storm to be elected after just one season. In 2010, the cost criteria for automatic induction was raised from $5 billion to $10 billion. This has no effect on the storms already in but rather was intended to make it more difficult for contemporary storms to gain induction automatically. Hurricane Gustav was the last storm to gain automatic induction with less than $10 billion worth of damage ($6.6 billion).


 * Could we at least get a list of the automatic inductees since voting halted?12.144.5.2 23:19, September 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late response. 12, this was about 5 years ago. I don't think this forum is active. Hi!-68.106.0.77 02:27, November 18, 2017 (UTC)

2007 (Inaugural Class)

 * San Diego Hurricane - October, 1858
 * Encinitas Tropical Storm - September, 1939
 * 1959 Mexico Hurricane - October, 1959
 * Hurricane Tara - November, 1961
 * Hurricane Liza - October, 1976
 * Hurricane Paul - September, 1982
 * Hurricane Iniki - September, 1992
 * Hurricane Ismael - September, 1995
 * Hurricane Linda - September, 1997
 * Hurricane Pauline - October, 1997

2008

 * 1943 Mazatlan Hurricane - October, 1943
 * Hurricane Kathleen - September, 1976
 * Hurricane Iwa - November, 1982
 * Hurricane Tico - October, 1983
 * Hurricane Kenna - October, 2002

Note: The criteria for automatic induction in the East Pacific are 1,000 deaths and/or $2 billion in damage (pre-2004 storms adjusted to 2004 inflation). According to my HOF records, Pauline was inducted automatically, however does not appear to meet the criteria. The reason for this is unclear. It is possibly the result of an erroneous damage figure.

Pool of Twenty (Atlantic Basin)
Remember, this is the Atlantic vote only. Other basins will be done separately.
 * 1883 Hispaniola-Carolina Hurricane
 * 1891 San Magin Hurricane
 * 1896 Cedar Key Hurricane
 * 1898 Windward Islands Hurricane
 * 1898 Georgia Hurricane
 * 1903 Manchioneal Hurricane
 * 1906 Gulf Coast Hurricane
 * 1910 Cyclone of the Five Days
 * 1926 Nassau Hurricane
 * 1932 San Ciprian Hurricane
 * 1933 Brownsville Hurricane
 * 1933 Great Tampico Hurricane
 * 1944 Jamaica Hurricane
 * Hurricane Charlie, 1951
 * Hurricane Cleo, 1964
 * Tropical Storm Bret, 1993
 * Hurricane Dennis, 2005
 * Hurricane Stan, 2005
 * Hurricane Noel, 2007
 * Hurricane Hanna, 2008

Historical Electorate Finalists

 * 1804 Atlantic Coast Hurricane (#3)
 * First Dominica Hurricane of 1806 (#3)
 * 1812 Great Louisiana Hurricane
 * Great September Gale of 1815
 * 1819 Bay St. Louis Hurricane
 * 1822 Santee Hurricane (#2)
 * 1824 Golden Isles Hurricane (#1)
 * 1834 Ozama River Hurricane (#2)
 * 1837 Racer's Storm
 * Great Nova Scotia Cyclone of 1873

-- SkyFury 07:19, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hall of Fame 2018
I'd like to revitalize Eric's Hurricane Hall of Fame starting again with this year since the wiki has gotten a lot more active and we have a lot of notable storms to enter into it by now. I'll start by listing the storms that haven't been inducted in previous seasons. If anyone finds a storm that hasn't been inducted in previous years (see above) that is notable in its impacts or other historic significance, you can add it in too. The storms that I crossed through above were Eric's five chosen inductees in the 2012 Hall of Fame; since the others didn't get picked by him, they can be eligible for this year. I've also chosen to add two pre-1800 storms (the 1775 Newfoundland Hurricane and 1776 Pointe-a-Pitre hurricane) due to their high death tolls, but beside them, there aren't many pre-1800 storms to get, since reliable data before then is hard to come by.

Atlantic:

 * 1775 Newfoundland Hurricane
 * 1776 Pointe-a-Pitre (Guadeloupe) Hurricane
 * 1883 Hispaniola-Carolina Hurricane
 * 1896 Cedar Key Hurricane
 * 1898 Windward Islands Hurricane
 * 1898 Georgia Hurricane
 * 1903 Manichioneal Hurricane
 * 1906 Gulf Coast Hurricane
 * 1912 Jamaica Hurricane
 * 1926 Nasau Hurricane
 * 1932 San Ciprian Hurricane
 * 1933 Great Tampico Hurricane
 * 1933 Brownsville Hurricane
 * 1939 Bermuda Hurricane
 * 1940 South Carolina Hurricane
 * 1940 New England Hurricane
 * 1940 Nova Scotia Hurricane
 * 1944 Jamaica Hurricane
 * 1945 Freeport Hurricane
 * 1945 Homestead Hurricane
 * 1948 Bermuda-Newfoundland Hurricane
 * 1948 September Florida Hurricane
 * 1948 Miami Hurricane
 * 1949 Florida Hurricane
 * Hurricane King (1950)
 * Hurricane Edna (1954)
 * Hurricane Connie (1955)
 * Hurricane Ione (1955)
 * Hurricane Alicia (1983)
 * Hurricane Elena (1985)
 * Hurricane Gloria (1985)
 * Tropical Storm Isabel (1985)
 * Hurricane Juan (1985)
 * Hurricane Kate (1985)
 * Hurricane Diana (1990)
 * Hurricane Klaus (1990)
 * Hurricane Bob (1991)
 * Tropical Storm Bret (1993)
 * Hurricane Dennis (2005)
 * Hurricane Noel (2007)
 * Hurricane Hanna (2008)
 * Hurricane Alex (2010)
 * Hurricane Igor (2010)
 * Hurricane Karl (2010)
 * Tropical Storm Matthew (2010)
 * Hurricane Tomas (2010)
 * Hurricane Irene (2011)
 * Tropical Storm Lee (2011)
 * Hurricane Isaac (2012)
 * Hurricane Sandy (2012)
 * Hurricane Ingrid (2013)
 * Hurricane Gonzalo (2014)
 * Tropical Storm Erika (2015)
 * Hurricane Joaquin (2015)
 * Hurricane Matthew (2016)
 * Hurricane Otto (2016)
 * Hurricane Harvey (2017)
 * Hurricane Irma (2017)
 * Hurricane Maria (2017)
 * Hurricane Nate (2017)

As far as I know, none of the above storms were inducted in the Hall of Fame yet, and can be for this year, except for Nate and Otto. Nate and Otto are not yet eligible due to the "two-seasons" rule from Eric's rules above, since he strongly opposed recentism, and they will be eligible by the end of the 2019 season. Harvey, Irma, Maria, and Matthew are excluded from that rule since they caused enough damage (10 billion) to qualify for automatic induction, but we're going to have a vote regardless. Like I mentioned before, if you guys can find some other storms that aren't mentioned above that can qualify for their impacts, feel free to add them.

Anyways, here's what I'm thinking: Eric said a while ago that before 2007, the hall of fame used to be less organized, with a lot of storms being inducted in each year, but we won't induct every notable storm in this year at once, we'll get them in a few at a time. So I'm thinking we should do the 10-5-3 rule he mentioned a while ago (for the Atlantic). How that works is, we each vote (sign) for 10 storms out of the list above, and after a week or two we'll list the 10 storms that received the most votes, and pick 5 candidates out of those 10 storms for induction. Storms that don't make the top 5 will not be inducted into the hall of fame that year and will be eligible for next year instead. Then, we can each individually pick 3 of those storms to win the "bronze, silver, and gold cups" for the 3 most notable storms of those 5 inductees. Those 3 storms don't have to be the same between users. If there is a tie between two or more storms for 10th or 5th place in the nomination or induction processes, we'll have a separate vote between those two or more storms that are tied, and try to narrow it down for the nominees and inductees.

Well, that's it for now. Comment below if you have any suggestions. When I get everyone's input, we'll start voting.

East Pacific
Because notable storms are harder to come by in the Eastern Pacific (many years can pass without a significant storm in impacts or that is retired), I'm thinking we should all just vote for one of the storms above (you can add a few more if they're somewhat notable), and the storm that gets the most votes will be the one inductee for the hall of fame that year. Like I said above, if there is a tie, we'll have a separate pool to vote on storms with a tied vote and try to narrow that down. If not, we could instead do 5-3-1 (pick 5 of the storms above, induct 3 of those 5, and pick our most notable storm among those 3).
 * Hurricane Hiki (1950)
 * 1957 Mazatlan Hurricane
 * Hurricane Olivia (1967)
 * Hurricane Olivia (1975)
 * Hurricane Madeline (1976)
 * Tropical Storm Lidia (1981)
 * Hurricane Norma (1981)
 * Tropical Storm Aletta (1982)
 * Tropical Storm Octave (1983)
 * Tropical Storm Beatriz (1993)
 * Hurricane John (1994)
 * Hurricane Nora (1997)
 * Tropical Storm Agatha (2010)
 * Hurricane Manuel (2013)
 * Hurricane Iselle (2014)
 * Hurricane Norbert (2014)
 * Hurricane Odile (2014)
 * Hurricane Linda (2015)
 * Hurricane Patricia (2015)

I'll only do the Atlantic and East Pacific for now; if you guys would like to start on expanding the WPac, and starting the NIO and SHem basin's hall of fame, go ahead with it. Comment any suggestions below. Ryan1000 00:27, June 15, 2018 (UTC)