Forum:2012 Atlantic hurricane season

Hall of Fame 2012
Elections have begun! Ryan1000 15:09, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Future start
Well, I felt like making this forum for the future 2012 season(Yes, it is July 1st, 2011), and I have every other forum made too. The Atlantic hurricane season's betting pools are Here, the Pacific hurricane season's betting pools are Here, and I think we will have a 9-14 storm season, a 4-6 hurricane season, and 2-3 major hurricane season in 2012, possibly from an El Nino event. Ryan1000 03:11, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow you started this early. I'll post my predictions when the 2011 hurricane season ends. Though I guess I'll make some of my bets now and change them as the year gets closer. Yqt1001 03:30, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wanted to begin it primarily for the SHem, but this season will also be a future class one. I'm thinking we will have a pretty silent year in the Atlantic in 2012; I think this because we have a neutral start as of now, but we will continue to have conditions slowly change to El Nino like 2009, which will slowly hinder activity in the Atlantic and strengthen the Pacific. The SHem will also likely have a pretty good year, particularly the SPac and somewhat the Australian region. Ryan1000 03:46, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll make my predictions nearer the time as well, when we know more about what sort of season we are in for. We are likely to have El Nino conditions at some point during this year, though. HurricaneFiona 09:26, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure about that. We will likely have one in 2013, but in 2012, we are actually likely to see a revive of La Nina or stay neutral. I also have been thinking of making betting pools worldwide in this year, but we are still in 2011. I made the SHem betting pools at least... Ryan1000 17:55, July 13, 2011 (UTC
 * We may get a weak La Nina return this season, but I think we're staying neutral. I'm going with 16 named storms, 7 hurricanes, and 4 majors. OWEN2011 16:24, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I made my newest blog post for what I think we will see in 2012. Anyone who wants to see it may view it here. Ryan1000 18:38, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Here are my predictions for 2012: 20 named storms, 11 hurricanes, and 6 major hurricanes. Andrew444  Talk  Blog  Contributions  23:16, December 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I really would want to reach William next year but it depends my forecast for now will be 16 names storms 7-9 hurricanes and 5-6 majorsAllanjeffs 22:22, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Update: Because there is a more likely chance of El Nino/ENSO, I have revised my forecast to 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes, and 4 major hurricanes. Andrew444  Talk  Blog  Contributions  03:05, December 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Really??? I read that was going to be a neutral year 2012 but we will seeAllanjeffs 23:52, December 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * La Nina returned to us in September of 2011, and it could persist until June or July 2012. Even if we do turn to El Nino at some point in 2012, I don't think it will happen in spring, but rather Autumn, so the activity could still be above average per my blog post predictions. Ryan1000 15:38, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

And 2012 has officially begun! Anyone besides me and Andrew have predictions for this year? Ryan1000 01:21, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

I already put my prediction look a little up and you`ll see Allanjeffs 17:43, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Eh, okay, anyone who hasn't made any calls yet have predictions for 2012? Ryan1000 04:39, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Have all of you note that when we have a El Nino we always end with 9 or 7 name storms no more no less Allanjeffs 02:20, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it's expected to be neutral in 2012. I don't expect El Nino until next year. I'm surprised how conservative the're being for 2012 when we're expected to be neutral. Even if we do transition to El Nino this year, we won't really see the changes until next year. Ryan1000 12:39, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * One worrying factor to me is that there is mostly heat just remaining in the Caribbean and the GoM, the CATL is pretty cold. There could be a few more worrying storms this year than say 2011 in the Caribbean and GoM. Yqt1001 15:00, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean 2012 will be bad for us. Wind shear is also another factor; last year I thought 2011 would be bad for us but instead of potentially getting a 2005, we got a repeat of 2010 impact-wise. 2012 could do the same thing (which is still bad), but we can't assure this year will be a bad one. I personally think this is our lucky naming list. Only 3 names have ever changed from it since 1979. =) On the other hand, next year's naming list has featured a retiree every time it was used before... Ryan1000 04:16, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe this year the list would retire some names because when this season start something always happen and it end with just 7-9 name storms maybe this year would be an exceptionAllanjeffs 20:45, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Never know... The naming list of last year only had 2 retirees before 2005, and after that year alone, there were 7 names off that list. I don't know whether or not we will have a bad season, but since 2005, the tropics haven't settled down in ATL. We've had devastating years ever since except in 2006 and 2009. The pre-season forecasts for 2005 looked just like this and the next thing they know we get the most active year ever in ATL. I'll wait until later to see what 2012 has in store for us. Ryan1000 01:29, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * People have you all look at the models they are developind STS Albert in the coming days if this trully happens we could our fisrt name storm in February since a long time.Allanjeffs 12:58, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is some hefty shear aloft in the Gulf of Mexico right now, but if it settles enough to see Alberto it would be the first storm to develop in the Atlantic Basin in February in 60 years. The 1952 Groundhog Day Tropical Storm (which occured 60 years ago on this day) was the last such storm. It hit southern Florida as a 40 mph storm, causing only minimal damage. Alberto, if it forms, likely won't become much in terms of strength. I'd think a TS (or STS) peak of 65 mph, possibly 70 mph, at max from that storm in the GOM. Ryan1000 14:33, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

It's May now and I've got caught into the pre-hurricane season hype so here are my totals. I'll update my final betting pool ideas today as well. El-Nino seems likely for peak season so I don't expect many storms, but conditions seem better than last year as far as stronger Caribbean and GoM storms go. We'll see what happens but nonetheless here are my predictions: 11-13, 7-8, 2-3 Yqt1001 18:45, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

1st CSU Forecast
Here it is! Andrew444 Talk  Blog  Contributions  23:16, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'm very surprised as to how conservative WSI and TSR are for 2012... They said the La Nina is rapidly collapsing and we should get a neutral season, but we won't get El Nino until late 2012 or 2013. But still, 14-7-3? And 12-7-3? That seems like bustcasting to me. I don't think 2012 will be a slow season at all. I still think it will be an active, above average season for the Atlantic and near-normal for everywhere else. More or less, 2012 reminds me of 2008 or 2003, but not 2009 by any means. Ryan1000 19:40, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

2nd CSU Forecast
It's out. Currently they forecast a near-normal to below-normal season with only 10 storms, 4 hurricanes, and 2 maors. Maybe my blog post prediction might not be so accurate after all. Still, we have a chance to see a major hurricane landfall, and after not seeing one for 4 years, one could say we're due now. Ryan1000 15:34, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Damned forum...Deleted my last post. Reposted it, and yeah, we're looking at a 2009 more than a 2008 now. Ryan1000 20:00, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

A link is here. -- Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  01:20, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Another thing that should be noted is there is a slight modification NHC made to the Saffir-Simpson Scale for this hurricane season. They said from now on a category 3 is from 111-129 mph, a category 4 is from 130-156 mph, and a category 5 is 157 mph or higher. Nothing else is new. Ryan1000 21:42, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

They better retire Irene this week if not I would really be piss.Allanjeffs 20:44, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

There's not much else to talk about (retirements part 3 is on the 2011 ATL forum), but the main reason I think it's certain now is because the damage was rescently upped to 18.7 billion, per the NHC's updated TCR yesterday. I never expected it to go up that much, and if that didn't happen, there would have been a chance it wouldn't be retired. Now there's pretty much no chance Irene won't be retired. Irene's getting the boot, one way or another. It could be announced this Thursday or Friday, when the meeings are really under way, or, like they usually are, the WMO could be sluggish to releasing their reports to the press and might not do it until several days after the meeting, like they did last year. The tropics are taking a nap for some time until then. Lee and Jova are also potential players, but Irene is the only one you can really look forward to being retired. Ryan1000 20:01, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Now the 2nd TSR forecast is out. 12.5 tropical storms, 5.6 hurricanes, 2.6 major hurricanes, and a ACE index of 95 are predicted. Look here. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  22:10, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

91L.INVEST
After an investless July we have 2 in one day. No model really shows development of this, but it's heading over the fuel that is the GoM in a favourable environment so it might be able to pull development. Yqt1001 (talk) 17:38, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thank god. The drought-stricken southern states over there could use a good soaking from this. And investless July Yqt? At least there was invest 98L from late July of this year (which has a descent chance to be upgraded post-season, see above), so we haven't really been that quiet since our record start. Oh and BTW, 20%. Ryan1000 18:07, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, but I really hope this thing doesn't rain on my beach vacation down on the Georgia coast next week. This one kind of reminds me of Jerry in 1995. The BAMs take it into the GOM, but I think it'll move over Florida and recurve like Jerry did, probably dissipating over southern Georgia. And, like Jerry, it could reach minimal tropical storm strength. -- SkyFury 19:00, August 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow, this storm is developing a touch faster than I think. It doesn't look the part, but, wow, it wants to be a TD.  CobraStrike  ( t )( b )(c) 19:15, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * We've been getting rather active, but at least it's not like some past years. We should be going into El Nino soon, but the tropics don't look like that for now after seeing no storms in July, we could have 3 before the first week of August is over. Amazing. Ryan1000 20:48, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * down to 10%Allanjeffs 12:04, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

AOI: Wave off of Africa
GFS likes this one. NHC has given it 10% this morning. Yqt1001 (talk) 05:58, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

This could be a threat in the long run, but Ernesto ^ is probrably going to be the bigger story over the next week. Ryan1000 12:00, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Whoa, woah, woah! Just after I posted my above post, this thing jumped up to 30%. And...Invested? Ryan1000 12:05, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Is this our next depression of the year? Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  12:54, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Probable.Allanjeffs 13:27, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

What intensities are the computer models forecasting? 65.34.84.50 13:40, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

90L.INVEST
I was looking at this for a while, I knew the NHC was going to poke at it. Anyways, on that note, the models are looking at a 55 to 65 kt peak within 120 hours.  CobraStrike  ( t )( b )(c) 14:04, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes Florence, but as I said earlier, Ernesto's going to be a bigger threat over the next week. By the time he makes landfall, this should be our next big storm. Ryan1000 14:12, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

the next wave leaving Africa is the one that we need t be concern as the gfs is prediction that Gordon if this becomes Florence to be a threat to Florida.Allanjeffs 15:59, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

50%...Florence is coming... Ryan1000 18:25, August 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks that way, assuming 91L doesn't beat it to the punch. The models are pretty widely split on the intensity forecast, but it wouldn't surprise me if we see another hurricane out of this. I don't think it will threaten the US though. The only land I think it'll pose a threat to is Bermuda. But boy the tropics are getting interesting. I love this time of year! -- SkyFury 19:08, August 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep... 90L is getting very organized. I actually won't be surprised if this is upgraded to a tropical depression very soon.  CobraStrike  ( t )( b )(c) 19:14, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, Canada also isn't out of the question, as was the case with Igor 2 years ago. But then again, I wouldn't count on it. Usually storms like this don't reach the U.S. when they form this far east. A few notable exceptions include Hugo, Georges, and most notably, Ivan. Ryan1000 20:48, August 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * 90L up to 70%... likely TD on the next shot.  CobraStrike  ( t )( b )(c) 00:26, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you see the Gfs if this become Florence and 91L Gordon the gfs show three other storm forming near Cape verde Island this month will be epic if it verifies.Allanjeffs 01:08, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Six
Up on ATCF, 6th TD of the year and likely to become Florence! Yqt1001 (talk) 00:54, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Our first td near the cape verde islands has form.Allanjeffs 02:02, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Oh and, in case anyone is wondering, we didn't get Franklin, the "F" storm of last year, until August 12. That means, we'll be ahead of last year when this becomes named! And by more than a week too! How impressive. Amazing. Ryan1000 02:36, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

I really don't understand this forecast. NHC forecasts it to dissipate in just a few days, talking about dry air and colder water. I don't have a clue what they're talking about. I looked at both the water vapor and the SSTs and I don't see any of these negative factors. The air ahead of the storm actually looks a lot more moist than what's ahead of Ernesto. The SSTs do look slightly cooler, but it doesn't look significant enough to cause weakening. The shear isn't great, but it's expected to ease of over the next 24 hours. I find this a very puzzling forecast. -- SkyFury 03:17, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

I highly doubt it will die, but even if it does become Florence, it won't affect anyone anyways. Maybe Bermuda and Canada in the long run, but no one else. But I don't have any future vision of seeing this turn back south to the Caribbean islands as a subtropical depression anytime soon. If anythng I think it'll turn north and out to sea. What would make the NHC think it would turn south? Ryan1000 03:40, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Florence
The sixth storm of the season has come to us now we are tie with the Eastern Pacific.Allanjeffs 11:48, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. And NHC now wants to take Florence north of the lessers as a non-tropical low in the long run. I still don't see that, since environmental conditions aren't too unfavorable for additional development, but there is some stable air over the storm. And Ernesto is starting to get his act together. Maybe we could see a hurricane from him as soon as later today. His forward speed is slowing down to 18 mph, he's starting to expand, and the latest advisory on Ernesto places it at 60 mph, 1001 mbars. Ryan1000 14:37, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Up to 50mph base on ATCF files.Allanjeffs 20:16, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">And in advisories now. Cyclone10 E-Mail  20:50, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">NHC keeps calling for Florence to disappear in a few days and it keeps strengthening. I know the shear's expected to pick up and will probably preclude Florence from becoming a hurricane but I still think NHC is drastically underestimating this system. I think at the very least it will remain a tropical system through the end of the forecast period. -- SkyFury 21:19, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I mention in wunderground yesterday that Florence might be like lisa of 2010 everyone expect Lisa to dissipate but she instead became a hurricane that is my thinking that Florence might peak at 70 or 75mph.Allanjeffs 22:09, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if she does, but I don't expect her to hit land anyways. Ryan1000 13:37, August 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * This will be gone on the next advisory. Cyclone10 E-Mail  06:02, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Florence
Florence has been fairly lucky for a few decades, but this is going to be the first incarnation of Florence since 1964 not to reach hurricane strength. 35 mph, 1009 mbar. I expect her to become post-tropical later today. --HurricaneMaker99 13:16, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I wouldn't speak too soon on that, HM99. Although it may die for now, there is a possibility it could regenerate and reintensify later on. Then again, it also could pull a Gaston (2010) and not regenerate at all. Ryan1000 14:27, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Post-Tropical Cyclone Florence
Well, it's down and out for now, at least. --HurricaneMaker99 14:49, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Always could come back, but not at this moment. Ryan1000 15:12, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Can we say regeneration is possible near Bermuda? 65.34.84.50 15:50, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

I think it'll be farther south than that, but we'll have to wait and see. Ryan1000 18:06, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">...And the remnants are back on the TWO. Up to only 10% though, and not expected to develop. Ryan1000 06:19, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Down to near 0%. Not completely gone yet, but not likely to redevelop into Florence. Ryan1000 01:20, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

they are looking better now we may see Florence regenerate later.Allanjeffs 16:15, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Gone from NHC. Looks like it's not returning to us after all. Ryan1000 19:29, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

AOI: Bahamas
NHC looking at the potential in this storm, 10%.  CobraStrike  ( t )( b )(c) 14:19, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Um, CobraStrike, this was the same AOI that passed by the virgins and PR a few days ago. This isn't a new AOI...Allan posted a 10% reincarnation of it above the header for 90L. Ryan1000 14:30, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

92L.INVEST
20% atm, but currently not in a favorable environment to develop. We'll wait and see. Ryan1000 01:45, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think that is has a really good shot at becoming Ernesto and with the Gfs predicting three more storms we could have Joyce before August start an amazing season so far.Allanjeffs 03:09, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Um, Ernesto? You mean Gordon? Well, the models don't see too much from it, like they did Florence. Ryan1000 03:15, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Yeah sorry I mean Gordon and now is 30%Allanjeffs 00:26, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'm surprised that happened...92L may have gone up to medium chance, but convection has actually diminished since it was given a higher chance of development. It looked better at 20%. It must be in an environment of lower shear and dry air now. Ryan1000 01:20, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

50%Allanjeffs 01:08, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Gordon will likely come from this, but unless that shear over the Caribbean settles down over the next 4 or 5 days, this won't be much more than a tropical storm. GFS takes this running straightforward through the Caribbean as a tropical storm, but keeps it much further north than Ernesto was, so, in the long run, this actually could be threatening to the U.S. Keep your eyes out. Ryan1000 02:08, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Jumps up to 70% in the special TWO! Cyclone10 E-Mail  03:15, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Just when I thought activity was gonna take a break for a bit, this guy pops up. That said, I don't think this one is going to cause too much excitement. Most of the models are underwhelmed. I think the shear is expected to pick up ahead of the storm in a few days. Most of them develop it, but keep it pretty week. GFS kills it in the Caribbean and the Euro doesn't even have it surviving to reach the Caribbean. The next wave that's about to come off Africa though is projected by multiple models to throw a party over the east Atlantic. Stay tuned. -- SkyFury 06:05, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">renumber td 7 <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">AL, 07, 2012080912,, BEST, 0, 137N, 417W, 25, 1010, LO, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1013, 150, 50, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, SEVEN, might be Gordon later on but until then I am not sure if it will be name.Allanjeffs 14:22, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Nope, no TD 7 at 11am. Yqt1001 (talk) 15:05, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

And I agree with them it looks horrible maybe later.Allanjeffs 15:11, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I'm not overwhelmed by this at this moment, but at least it's giving us something to track. The AOI crossing Africa will probrably become our next huge hit, but i'm currently not convinced it will hit land, especially if it developes instantly and is eventually recurved out to sea. Ryan1000 18:55, August 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * IVCN and SHIPS both develop this. SHIPS sees it nearing hurricane strength five days down the road, whereas IVCN develops it more gradually. I don't know all that much about the models, but I was under the impression that SHIPS was generally good. --HurricaneMaker99 19:53, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Again hope its real this time.invest_RENUMBER_al922012_al072012.ren.Allanjeffs 19:57, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Now is official.<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">AL, 07, 2012080918,, BEST, 0, 137N, 429W, 30<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">, 1010, LO, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1013, 150, 40, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, SEVEN<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">, M,.Allanjeffs 20:11, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Seven
Yep.-- Cyclone10 E-Mail  21:00, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Well, HM99, SHIPS is the model representing NHC. It's forecast to head into the Caribbean, but it will be in a shear-ridden environment. It currently isn't expected to do more than become a TS, like Ernie did. However, things could always change, so keep your eyes out. Here comes Gordon... Ryan1000 23:13, August 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Things are looking grim for TD 7. Though TS watches have now been issued for much of the Lessers, the NHC now brings TD 7 to 35 kts before dissipating it in a few days. HurricaneMaker99 20:38, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Advisory 5A says that NOAA Buoy 41040 recorded 36 mph sustained winds 50 miles NNW of the center. We probably have Gordon on our hands, unfortunately. As much as I want Gordon to be retired, that would involve wishing for the doom of many communities. Could he pull an Edna and be retired retroactively? --HurricaneMaker99 00:07, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I still sob over his snub from 1994, but he'll be retired sooner or later. Hopefully this year. Ryan1000 13:25, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Remnants of Seven
Hurricane Hunters failed to find a low-level circulation... which means this won't become Gordon! Yay! :D --HurricaneMaker99 14:40, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Oh well. And 93L isn't looking too promising either. Looks like we're starting to quiet down. Ryan1000 14:51, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Oh, well. I was expecting this to become Gordon...but the remnants might regenerate. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  23:36, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Not likely to happen. 93L might, but I have limited hopes on that coming up to be Gordon either. Ryan1000 00:54, August 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * 10%. Isaac829 E-Mail  06:27, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * If it pass north of CA we might see redevelopment with these system in the gulf of Mexico.Allanjeffs 21:13, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not heading for the gulf Allan. It's going to run into the Yucatan Peninsula and re-emerge in the BOC like Ernesto did, but probrably as a much weaker, non-tropical storm. Ryan1000 02:25, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * 20% of regeneration, and upper-level winds are expected to become for favorable for regeneration. Gordon or just TD 7 again could redevelop, but it might affect the U.S.. STO12 (talk) 21:08, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm stil not placing my cards on that. I don't really think it will redevelop. Likely to hit the Yucatan tomorrow or Wensday and die overland. Ryan1000 00:16, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * 10% now and running ashore in Nicaragua. No Gordon (or Helene) coming here. Ryan1000 19:03, August 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * 0%. Isaac829 E-Mail  00:50, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Back up to 10%, and forecast to emerge into the Bay of Campeche... give it up, you're not going to regenerate! --HurricaneMaker99 10:52, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 20% may be Helene after all.Allanjeffs 20:35, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 40% it may re develop and be stronger than ever.Allanjeffs 00:09, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why does this thing defy logic? Just die already! Ryan1000 01:23, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I honestly thought this would redevelop here after seeing the models earlier this week. Likely going to turn northwest then straight north and stay parallel to the coast, then make landfall just to the northeast of Corpus Christi as a moderate to strong tropical storm. That is if the models continue to hold true. Supportstorm (talk) 02:03, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * This thing could easily become a tropical cyclone again. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  02:10, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * 70% here comes td 7 and probably Helene.Allanjeffs 12:40, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * 80% after a special TWO. Isaac829 E-Mail  16:11, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope it hits Mexico instead and just dies out. May become Helene, but not likely to become very strong anyways due to it's proxmitity to land. Ryan1000 17:14, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * If this thing becomes Helene, it will not be a major hurricane like the 2006's Helene, not unless it is not named again and the other tropical wave becomes Helene, but it looks like as of now this might be the weakest reincarnation of Helene. 65.34.84.50 18:03, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;">AL, 07, 2012081718,, BEST, 0, 203N, 959W, 35, 1005, TS looks like we have Helene! 65.34.84.50 20:49, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * And Finally it get her wish to get name and some of you were saying that it will be dead I knew it will get name But I thought it would be Gordon anyways is Helene now.Allanjeffs 21:03, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * And Finally it get her wish to get name and some of you were saying that it will be dead I knew it will get name But I thought it would be Gordon anyways is Helene now.Allanjeffs 21:03, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Helene
And it's here. I never expected ex-7 to regenerate, but it did. Expect it to hit Mexico tomorrow morning. And for the record, the storms template needs Helene first because it existed as TD 7 (07L) before Gordon (08L). Ryan1000 21:47, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well, hello Helene! Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  00:10, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Well that was short lived... Supportstorm (talk) 03:04, August 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * How in the world did TD7 pull this off. I didn't think this thing had a prayer. Until it showed up in the Bay of Campeche as a medium risk area out of nowhere, it was at "near 0%" chance and moving over Central America to die. Bizarre. And Supportstorm, you're right, Helene sure looks like it's exited stage left. -- SkyFury 05:47, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I never saw it coming either, but it happened. Either way, it didn't do much to Mexico other than bring some (potentially beneficial) rainfall. The lower Lessers (Trinidad and Tobago) got winded a little bit from the remains of TD 7, but it wasn't too bad for them. Ryan1000 11:01, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Helene
Down to a TD. 35 mph, 1008 mbar. --HurricaneMaker99 17:45, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Should die out soon. Not much else. Ryan1000 17:57, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">May regenerate later as some models are saying.Allanjeffs 18:53, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">If it does regenerate, i will likely call Helene the outlier of the year. 65.34.84.50 19:01, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Right now is a pathetic excuse of a tropical cyclone.Allanjeffs 20:30, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I've seen extratropical cyclones better looking than Helene. And Allan, I highly doubt Helene will regenerate or contribute to Illeana's development Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  23:25, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Post-Tropical Cyclone Helene
And she faaaaades ooooouuuut agaaaaaaiiiiinnn... Were there any other storms that spent more time as a remnant low than an actual tropical cyclone? (storms with only one life, e.g. Gaston, don't count) --HurricaneMaker99 02:50, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know! Maybe Ana '09? Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  03:10, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Or Fred 09'? 65.34.84.50 18:47, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fred only lived once. Ana spent more time as a TC. --HurricaneMaker99 19:45, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

AOI: Over Senegal
I have very high expectations for this wave. Atm, 20%. Cyclone10 E-Mail  18:01, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I expect it to become strong in the long run, but hopefully it doesn't do more than spin fish out at sea. Ryan1000 18:55, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

You know model support is good when NHC gives a wave over land a 20%! Yqt1001 (talk) 18:56, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I'm strongly convinced this will eventually be a major, but I don't know if this storm (Helene) will affect land. Storms that develop this far east rarely affect anyone in the Caribbean and lower 48, maybe Bermuda and Atlantic Canada. There are a few exceptions like Ivan and Hugo, but this storm will likely not pull one of them. I have a feeling the Bermuda high will recurve it eventually or it will run into a trough and go out to sea. Ryan1000 19:49, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

93L.INVEST
Invested! 30% per NHC. Just exiting the coast of Africa, still think it counts as being over land though! Yqt1001 (talk) 00:08, August 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * 50%, might develop within the next 24 hours if it continues with these trends.. Yqt1001 (talk) 06:04, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * As I said above, I'd be surprised if this doesn't become at least a strong hurricane in the long run, but I don't think it will affect land, aside from, perhaps Bermuda. Ryan1000 12:24, August 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * 30% D: Cyclone10  E-Mail  19:03, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Starting to waver a bit. Can it hold on? Ryan1000 19:29, August 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * 20% :'( Cyclone10  E-Mail  01:11, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe it only temporarily looked good, and won't develop into a big storm after all... =( Ryan1000 13:25, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

All we need now is for 93L to strengthen into a hurricane, recurve and head northeastwards into the UK. Only joking... &mdash;12R.KIEWII 17:08, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Down to 10%. I guess it could develop into a hurricane down the road if it enters more favorable conditions, but I wouldn't bet my money on a major. --HurricaneMaker99 20:01, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I'm not really thinking of any significant development until it crosses the cooler water. The GFS doesn't show any proper development until August 17-18. It does show re curvature though! &mdash;12R.KIEWII 20:11, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, even though it likely won't affect land, I wanted to see it do something before it eventually recurves out to sea. Oh well...Nothing here. Ryan1000 00:54, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * 30%! Isaac829 E-Mail  15:11, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Azores, Ryan. &mdash;12R.KIEWII 17:43, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * 50%Allanjeffs 18:28, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Azores won't get anything from this other than a quick rainshower. I really don't want to see Gordon on the lists again, but he could come back with this storm, and not be retired. =( Ryan1000 19:03, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * 80% here comes td 8 could become a hurricane.Allanjeffs 11:57, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * 90%! Isaac829 E-Mail  18:35, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Eight
Yay!-- Isaac829 E-Mail  20:57, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's here. 35 mph, 1013 mbar. Supposed to become Gordon, peak at 70 mph, and evade retirement again. --HurricaneMaker99 20:58, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Knew it I expect it to become a hurricane maybe Gordon lost it chance of retirement after 1994 snub.Allanjeffs 01:44, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Gordon
...and Godforsaken Gordon is here. 40 mph, rather high pressure of 1011 mbar. Forecast upped to minimal hurricane strength. --HurricaneMaker99 10:13, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like Gordon will follow his 2006 predecessor and it the Azores as a minimal hurricane. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  13:26, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems doomed to become the third hurricane of the season. The 5 pm advisory strengthens Gordon to 65 mph/999 mbar. Forecast peak intensity raised to 80 mph. At this rate, he'll be a hurricane by 11 pm. --HurricaneMaker99 21:09, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep.Allanjeffs 22:40, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Gordon will be retired one day, I hope, but he'll have to try again in 2018, because this Gordon won't do enough to earn retirement. The Azores may get some rain, but nothing severe. Ryan1000 01:21, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * If a certain pattern holds, he'll be gone after 2018. Ever since the current naming lists were instituted in 1979, every year with 8 in the ones place has had its "G" name retired. Think about it: Gilbert in 1988, Georges in 1998, Gustav in 2008... --HurricaneMaker99 02:13, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * And 70 mph! Isaac829 E-Mail  03:49, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, very interesting, Dylan. Also, those "G"'s all affected Haiti, so 2018‘s Gordon will likely be a C4 Haiti striker. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  08:01, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Or it could brush right by Haiti like Gilbert did. Anyway, Gordon's down to 65 mph. He's forecast to restrengthen, but I'm not sure if he's still on course to become a hurricane. --HurricaneMaker99 14:00, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * ...and now hurricane strength is out of NHC's forecast. If the new forecast holds, this will be the first Gordon not to reach hurricane strength since the 1985 WPAC season, and the first one full stop in the Atlantic. --HurricaneMaker99 14:45, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Wouldn't completely write it off, but it's not looking too likely to become much stronger. Ryan1000 17:14, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like this Gordon will be the weakest reincarnation of the name, as all others became hurricanes. Looks like Gordon isn't a major this year. 65.34.84.50 18:05, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I doubt it I am almost sure it will become a hurricane but a major is almost out even though we need to rememeber what many say of Daniel in July that it will never reach hurricane intensity.Allanjeffs 21:41, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Gordon doesn't appear to have lost his organization, he just lost thunderstorm convection near the center. I'm not writing him off yet; I never thought anything of Chris earlier this year and look what happened. It may become a hurricane, but definitely no major hurricane. Time isn't out yet for Gordon. Even if it doesn't become one operationally, I think it will be upgraded in post-season; it sure looked like a C1 yesterday. Ryan1000 21:56, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Gordon will become a hurricane! And Robbie (65), your statement is incorrect if WPAC storms are counted (1985's Gordon had a pressure of 995 mb). Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  00:16, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Gordon is just shy of hurricane status again.....<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">AL, 08, 2012081800,, BEST, 0, 342N, 431W, 60, 990, TS.Allanjeffs 01:57, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">I don't know if Gordon will reach hurricane strength, but it wouldn't surprise me. Regardless, it's looking like he's about to throw a party in the Azores which could be entertaining. -- SkyFury 05:51, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Hurricane Gordon
Now a hurricane. 112.201.186.167 09:25, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">So it did make it. Glad I didn't write him off. He might bring some rain for the Azores, but nothing too serious. Good luck for retirement in 2018, Gordon. Your snub from 1994 will not be in vain! Ryan1000 11:01, August 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now all we need is for the BAMD 06z forecast to be correct. ;) And up to 70 kt. &mdash;12R.KIEWII 11:39, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Hurricane warning for southeast Azores, now expected to peak near 75 kt. &mdash;12R.KIEWII 14:44, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Gordon could be a cat 2 as we speak maybe a major is not out of the question now.Allanjeffs 18:46, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

And its indeed a cat 2 the first of the season and its also the strongest of the season..AL, 08, 2012081818,, BEST, 0, 340N, 375W, 90, 969, HU, 64, NEQ, 20, 30, 30, 0, 1013, 175, 25, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, GORDON, D, Allanjeffs 18:51, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

He is making a run toward Category 3! Go Gordon, go! 65.34.84.50 18:58, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * What... the... hell?! So much for this being Gordon's weakest incarnation in the Atlantic! Category 2?! 105 mph, 970 mbar? o_o Wow. Ernesto's reign as strongest storm of the season didn't last long. Maybe's Gordon trying to pull a last-minute stint of rapid intensification in a (probably vain) attempt to knock up the Azores enough to get himself retired? --HurricaneMaker99 19:03, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Gordon is really making a run ti major hurricane status right now.<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">If Gordon becomes a major hurricane it will be what happen to Daniel in the Eastern North pacific that he was just predict to be a cat 1 and become a cat 3 before encountering an unfavorable environment.Allanjeffs 20:22, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Daniel, meet your brother Gordon! 65.34.84.50 20:38, August 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * The 5pm NHC advisory confirms Gordon's Category 2 intensity. No further intensification forecast, though... --HurricaneMaker99 21:23, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoa, I did not see that coming at all. Maybe the Azores won't get so lucky from this after all. Gordon may indeed avenge his snub from 1994...stay tuned. Azores, watch out. Ryan1000 21:28, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Gordon, time to join your brothers Chris and Daniel in defying your forecast. Even though he's beat poor Ernie, I doubt Gordon will make it to major. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  23:20, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * This storm reminds me of Hurricane Bonnie from 1992. Same spot, same intensity. And Ryan, I hope no Gordon "avenges" the 1994 snub, because that would require it to harm innocent people. -- SkyFury 23:41, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Gordon is now just a kiss away from becoming the first major of the season. 110 mph, 965 mbar. --HurricaneMaker99 23:56, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like we'll see a major. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  03:12, August 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well as much as I want Gordon to depart from the naming lists, I know that he would have to cause a lot of damage to do it. Then again, it could also be retired by lower standards if it hits the Azores (like Igor in Newfoundland in September 2010). The Azores rarely see landfalling hurricanes; Bonnie of 1992 reached C2 well west of the Azores and hit them only as a tropical storm. Gordon is very close to the Azores and is still maintaining a very well-defined structure, continuing to intensify. At this point in time I would actually be very surprised if he doesn't become a major hurricane. He looks very good on the infared sattelite imagery and I would expect him to peak at 115-125 mph. The folks on Santa Maria Island are likely to get the brunt of this storm, and should be leaving now. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 04:48, August 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Down to 105 mph/969 mb. Combined with the fact NHC predicts further weakening, Isaac-wanna-be will be our first major. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  08:52, August 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * 100 mph/973 mb. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  12:13, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Btw the TCR of tropical storm Aletta has come out.Allanjeffs 14:10, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Down to Cat 1. 90 mph, 976 mbar. No major here, unless Gordon is potentially upgraded post-season. --HurricaneMaker99 19:54, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Azores aren't off the hook yet. They better get ready for Gordon; he'll be coming in very fast. It'll probrably be this strong, or 75-85 mph when it hits. It might still cause enough damage to be retired. Stay tuned. Ryan1000 20:10, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I remember reading somewhere that Hawaii tried to get Daniel retired because that storm name would always threaten them somehow. They were denied, but I wonder, without even knowing what damage will occur with Gordon, if the Azores/Portugal will request retirement of this name. Getting rid of this name, after appearing twice to come and get them, per se, can be more of a psychological precaution done by Azores/Portugal. 96.32.2.97 04:04, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, the Azores/Portugal never requested the 2006 Gordon to be retired, but it wasn't that bad for them. I don't know how bad this Gordon will be, but it passed just south of Santa Maria Island. However, the worst of this Gordon was north of the circulation, so it could have still caused some damage there. Ryan1000 06:41, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * 65 kts/987 mb. And 96, no damage or deaths have been reported yet, and as for Daniel，that's not the reason Hawaii submitted a retirement request. It was because the '06 one caused memorable damage. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  10:22, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Gordon (2nd time)
Going down.-- Isaac829 E-Mail  15:57, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Despite recieving a direct hit from Gordon's eyewall, Santa Maria Island escaped with relatively minimal damage from Gordon. No deaths or serious injuries were reported as of yet. Ryan1000 19:07, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Post-Tropical Cyclone Gordon
Curtains. --HurricaneMaker99 21:14, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

95L.INVEST
Could this be associated with Helene's remnants? NHC gives this 20% and describes it as "showers and thunderstorms over the southwestern Gulf of Mexico ... associated with a surface trough." It looks so close to where Helene made landfall, though... --HurricaneMaker99 22:31, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I think it is ex-Helene, but there was another area of thunderstorms just northeast of Helene when it made landfall. This might be that new area of storms, but I think it is ex-Helene. SHIPS doesn't even have a TS in the forecast of this for the next 4 days. By then 94L is expected to be a category 3 bearing down on the Lesser Antillies. Ryan1000 23:07, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">It's not. NHC would've mentioned it if it was. Helene's circulation died over the Sierra Madre. This patch of thunderstorms was there before Helene got there and was projected by the models a week ago. I don't expect much from this storm. None of the models do anything with it. They do, however, project at least one, possibly two, storms to form in the east Atlantic behind 94L. -- SkyFury 00:08, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think any of the two future storms crossing Africa will affect land, but 94L (Isaac) will and is a very serious threat right now. I think Isaac-to be will become a major in the Caribbean, but it could also be timid like Ernesto was and not get past category 1. This is a dud...won't become anything significant. Ryan1000 02:37, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * 30%. --HurricaneMaker99 15:18, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Here comes Tropical Depression Ten （if 94L becomes Isaac). Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  23:23, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know if this will be ten or eleven; 96L is gaining steam as well. Ryan1000 01:08, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * If this thing gets a name, I'll be shocked. All the models run it straight into Mexico as soon as it develops. -- SkyFury 03:55, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Down to 10%. --HurricaneMaker99 00:01, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Now inland over northeastern Mexico. Down and out. --HurricaneMaker99 18:10, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Never expected much from this. The fact it didn't become named, let alone numbered, doesn't at all surprise me. Ryan1000 23:36, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

AOI: South of Cape Verde
New AOI just popped up. 10% on the TWO. --HurricaneMaker99 23:51, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

It will probably become Kirk. Isaac829 E-Mail  23:59, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

What about Joyce? Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  01:11, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Yeah, i'm thinking Joyce. I highly doubt 95L^^ will become Joyce given the conditions it's in. Ryan1000 02:31, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

96L.INVEST
20% now, but not looking as likely to affect land in the long run as 94L (Isaac) is. Ryan1000 08:30, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

The Atlantic has really come to life even in an el Niño year we are surpassing the eastern Pacific what a joke for that basin.Allanjeffs 08:49, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

This isn't the first time this has happened. 2004 was in a Niño, and it still was the costliest US hurricane season on record at the time. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  10:26, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I'm quite surprised. We have 3 areas in the Atlantic at medium risk (30%, to be exact) or higher. If all 3 of them develop, we would have 7 storms in August. We would then just need one more after that to have the record, tying 2004. 94L is probrably going to develop sooner than 95 and 96L. Statistically storms like 94L have only a 16% chance of affecting the U.S. at this time of year, and the trough over the southeastern U.S. could take it anywhere from Florida to North Carolina, or Isaac could remain south of the trough and end up in Texas or Mexico. It's all too far out to tell, but we'll see. Ryan1000 19:07, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">40% probably Joyce in the next couple of days.Allanjeffs 23:53, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Or potentially Kirk, if 95L beats it to the punch. I still don't think this will affect land in the long run, though it may become a major hurricane. Ryan1000 01:08, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't either, and I don't think 95L will become a tropical storm. This one will probably be Joyce. My beloved GFS doesn't do much with this storm, and neither does the Euro, which gives me a sneaking suspicion that we won't see a hurricane out of this storm. Even the normally-enthusiastic SHIPS and LGEM only make it a moderate tropical storm. We could have another Florence on our hands. -- SkyFury 04:04, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually think a cat 1 or 2 but it may surprise us we cat 3 is 50% now.Allanjeffs 05:51, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't matter either way, but it gives us something to watch when Isaac dies out. Ryan1000 07:36, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * 60% here comes td 10 I am not sure if it is going to be a fish though.Allanjeffs 11:50, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * It probrably will be, bar possibly Bermuda or Canada, but it won't follow Isaac. I would not expect much from this. Ryan1000 21:43, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Up to 70%. --HurricaneMaker99 00:17, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

90% now. Advisories could be initiated tomorrow. -- SkyFury 07:08, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

It was up to near 100% and it was renumber the 10th of the season has come <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">AL, 10, 2012082212,, BEST, 0, 122N, 357W, 30, 1007, LO, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1013, 225, 40, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, TEN, M,Allanjeffs 12:46, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Ten
Advisories have been initiated, some gradual intensification is expected. Bermuda could potentially be affected by this system next week &mdash;12R.KIEWII 16:02, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

At most, I see a re-Florence coming. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  23:20, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I'm rather unimpressed by Joyce-to be. It might be a moderate tropical storm, but not much else. It probrably won't hit anyone; even Bermuda might not get much from this in the long run. Ryan1000 23:36, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Might become a cat 1 remember this has been a sweet spot for storms this year.Allanjeffs 00:12, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">We got Joyce!!!<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Yeah 10/3/0 we are really ahead of schedule who say this season would be a bust:Allanjeffs 12:45, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Joyce
Hello Joyce.-- Isaac829 E-Mail  14:55, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">We're not even over with August and this is where 2006, the last time this list was used, ended at. Even so, Joyce really wasn't used since 2000, because the 10th storm of 2006 was an unnamed storm found in reanalysis off of Nova Scotia. This will probrably be a fish. Ryan1000 17:10, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Joyce
35 mph, 1008 mbar. "CONSIDERING THE MARGINAL ENVIRONMENT...IT WOULD                 NOT BE SURPRISING IF JOYCE DEGENERATED INTO A REMNANT LOW SOMETIME                  DURING THE NEXT DAY OR TWO." --HurricaneMaker99 03:04, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Why am I not surprised? This thing fails worse than Florence. Ryan1000 05:10, August 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * The NHC is predicting Joyce to remain a 35 mph depression through the forecast period - have they ever done that before? --HurricaneMaker99 12:37, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Anyway, Joyce is our 2nd EPIC FAIL! Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  13:59, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Post-Tropical Cyclone Joyce
Well that was pathetic. --HurricaneMaker99 14:47, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">How pitiful. This was nothing more than a re-Gaston. It existed for a day, then died. Ryan1000 16:15, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I know, I was hoping for more from Joyce. It just got blasted into oblivion. -- SkyFury 05:09, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

AOI:Off Africa
10%, but may become future Kirk. If that happens, along with TD 10 above becoming Joyce, we might see a 7 storm August, second only to 2004 for the most active ever. Ryan1000 00:04, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

2011 also have seven they had Emily all the way to Katia the same will be here E to K letters.and Kirk sounds like a name for a major.Allanjeffs 00:12, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

I believe this will be a weak tropical storm. To me, Kirk sounds like a name for a tropical storm. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  02:01, August 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Computer models has this as a major hurricane in a couple of days...hitting the east coast. Isaac829 E-Mail  02:08, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Kirk wasn't even used the last time it was supposed to be in 2006, and TD 10 is also starting to lose it. Wouldn't write either one off yet, but at least they won't be as significant as Isaac. Ryan1000 04:38, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure. This one could eventually threaten land. Models seem to take it more to the south toward the northeast Caribbean. Stay tuned. -- SkyFury 07:03, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Even if it could affect land, it's way too far to tell for sure. Ryan1000 17:10, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Now 20%. May be invested soon. Ryan1000 00:02, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

97L.INVEST
Invested and up to 30%. --HurricaneMaker99 12:39, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">The models don't currently have a consensus on where this will go. It might head northwest and stay out to sea, or it could follow in Isaac's footsteps and affect the Caribbean. However, most of them do think it will remain a weak TS/TD 5 days out. Ryan1000 16:13, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">May become Kirk before September.Allanjeffs 19:04, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">up tot 50%.97L is on its way to become td 11 and we may get Kirk before August end it will be 7 name storms for August quite amazing and even more for an el Niño year I predict 16 name storms and they might come into fruition if activity continues I may up it to 17.btw 16/9/3 is what I predict since April.Allanjeffs 23:58, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think we will hit Oscar this year. And Allan, 2004 had record August activity, and it was in an El Nino, too. -- Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  03:41, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I predicted 11-17, 6-9, and 2-5 for storms, hurricanes, and major hurricanes, respectively, in my blog post much earlier this year, which wouldn't be very far off, or perhaps even too low given the rate of activity we've had rescently. Even so, 2005, the most active season on record, only had 4 storms form in August (Lee by the start of September), but we won't get a 2005 September or October for sure. Anyways, it loks like this will remain at sea. Ryan1000 16:50, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Even if we don't pull a 2005 September and October we might get to Alpha this year. If we get Kirk next week and five storms in September and four in October, Alpha might the November bitch. --88.103.177.44 18:08, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

I won't rule out running the table and getting the greeks, but i'm not immediately going to say we will do that. I also should point out that if we do get to Alpha (the 22nd storm) this year, the 2010, 2011, and 2012 Atlantic hurricane seasons will be the most active back to back to back Atlantic hurricane seasons on record, with 60 storms in all 3 years combined. The 2003, 2004, and 2005 hurricane seasons currently hold the record with 59. If we get more than 24 storms this year, 2011 and 2012 will be the most active back to back seasons on record, with 44 storms in both years. 2004 and 2005 have the current record with 43. It may be too far out to tell, but at the rate activity is pushing, it would not at all surprise me. Ryan1000 19:35, August 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think the El Nino expected to develop later this year will put a damper on those lofty predictions. I don't expect more than about 16 total storms, but those could all come before mid-October, when I expect the season to pretty much shut down. 97L is not the disturbance we should be worried about down the road. It's the new one that just came off Africa that worries me. GFS takes it into the Caribbean as a developing tropical storm and brings yet another disturbance right behind it. The Euro also develops this disturbance but appears to recurve it into the open Atlantic. It'll be interesting to see what happens. -- SkyFury 07:25, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * This thing is really taking it's time. I still think it has a chance to become Kirk, but it's been doing nothing, remaining at 30-50% for the last several days. Ryan1000 15:04, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Eleven
...Or so I thought. It's here, and will likely become a minor TS before heading out to sea. Ryan1000 20:44, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

I always knew this will become a td not sure of a ts but might be Kirk and if we get him it will be 7 name storms for August simple amazing.Allanjeffs 20:55, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Well Allan, NHC predicts it will be Kirk, as do most of the models, but it probrably won't be very strong, let alone affect land. And we'll be catching up to the past few years too. Katia was named about this time last year, and Lee came at the start of September. Ryan1000 20:58, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">We got Kirk by ATCF AL, 11, 2012082900,, BEST, 0, 238N, 445W, 35, 1007, TS we just need the Nhc to confirm it.Allanjeffs 00:34, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Kirk
We have Kirk! First time being named in the Atlantic! Not expected to become a hurricane nor affect land. STO12 (talk) 03:06, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Otto, you beat me!!! UGHH!!! Anyway, Kirk is expected to stay weak (like I foreshadowed). Also, if anyones wondering, Kirk has been used for a typhoon in 1996. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  03:32, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Kirk may be another Florence but I am sure not another Joyce the failiest storm of the season.Allanjeffs 04:50, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Not going to become much either way. At this time last year, we had Katia, along with the unnamd storm and Lee by September 1st. Ryan1000 04:58, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Might become a weak hurricane just saying even though at this point looks unlikely.Allanjeffs 05:50, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

For the record, in case anyone's wondering, Kirk and Joyce are the 4th and 2nd earliest storms of their number (or name) in history of the Atlantic (well, Kirk ties Katia of last year). 2005's Jose is the only 10th storm that beat Joyce, and 1995, 1933, and 2005 beat Kirk. Ryan1000 16:22, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Might become a cat 2 hurricane.Allanjeffs 03:13, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

The NHC foreshadowes our fifth hurricane this year. I think 75-80 knots is a good peak. C2 is jumping the gun for Kirk IMO. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  06:33, August 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Captain Kirk is doing a whole lot better than I expected. I was surprised it even got a name, let alone have the potential to reach hurricane strength. I really didn't expect this storm to do anything. -- SkyFury 07:07, August 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's got a eye on visible satellite so I wouldn't be surprised that it becomes a hurricane by next advisory. Supportstorm (talk) 10:45, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoa, what happened here? Yesterday I was looking at a weak little TS struggling to hold on and now we're talking about a possible hurricane? I'm impressed. He might become a lot more than what I thought he would. Ryan1000 14:40, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hurricane Kirk
Has strengthened into a hurricane now! &mdash;12R.KIEWII 14:52, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">He's also pretty small, like Lisa of 2010 and Marco of 2008 (well, not nearly as small as Marco). Ryan1000 17:28, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">90mph may become our first major of the season.stay tune Allanjeffs 21:04, August 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cat 2 now; 100 mph, 980 mbar. A nice little quote from the latest discussion: "THE CYCLONE SHOULD THEN GRADUALLY BECOME EMBEDDED IN MID-LATITUDE WESTERLIES...AND ACCELERATE AT WARP SPEED" --HurricaneMaker99 03:03, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Now 100 mph, may become a major, against all odds. Ryan1000 03:05, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am thoroughly impressed with this storm. This is turning into a pleasant surprise. I would not be surprised if Kirk became a major hurricane, our first of the season. And I love that quote, Hurricane Maker, haha! I had a feeling the Hurricane Center was gonna have fun with this one. -- SkyFury 04:37, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't wait to hear what they're gonna say when Dorian is used next year (tries not to laugh hysterically). Ryan1000 15:03, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * You know what I just realized? The "K" storms in the Atlantic have been awfully lucky over the past few decades. The last time a "K" storm resembled anything truly pathetic was in 1995 with Karen (though Kyle '96 and Katrina '99 were weak TS's, they still impacted land)... unless Karen is still considered impressive for tying for the then-earliest formation of the 11th storm in a season. If that's the case - along with Karen '89 being impressive for existing in the Caribbean after the season ended - then the last time a "K" storm did absolutely nothing worthwhile was some 41 years ago with Kristy '71. Wow. Anyway, Kirk's losing it. He's falling apart on satellite imagery, and the latest ATCF update knocks Kirk down to a Cat 1. That means the best chance of seeing our first major now rests in Leslie, but the 11 am update revised her forecast peak intensity downward to 90 mph... --HurricaneMaker99 20:02, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Captian Kirk was an impressive storm, but I think major hurricane status will be reserved for Leslie, or a different storm of the season. Ryan1000 21:59, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Kirk (2nd time)
Weakening.-- Isaac829 E-Mail  15:33, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">He's falling apart very fast. Sooner or later... Ryan1000 01:32, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * "KIRK IS NOT EXPECTED TO LIVE LONG AND PROSPER." Lol, I was wondering whether we were done with the Star Trek jokes yet. Yeah, Kirk's done. The next advisory should be the last. Godspeed captain! -- SkyFury 18:51, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Post-Tropical Cyclone Kirk
And he's gone!-- Isaac829 E-Mail  20:52, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

AOI:Off Africa
10% atm, but if 97L doesn't make it to Kirk, this one probrably will. Ryan1000 08:41, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Unless this thing gets its act together very rapidly, we won't see 2004's August being matched by this year. -- Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  00:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Likely to become Leslie in the long run. TD Eleven should be Kirk within the next couple of days. The NHC says that the AOI Africa system is expected to gradually develop. Right now its not that healthy, 20% only. I predict maybe a slight change in percentage of development within the coming week. STO12 (talk) 21:16, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * 30%Allanjeffs 23:59, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">But 2004's August ended at Hermine. We're already at Joyce and likely to be at Kirk and then Leslie by the start of September, right where last year was at with Lee. We then slowed down for a while until mid-September with Maria, Nate, Ophelia, and Philippe, then slowed down until getting one more storm in October and November. This year could do the same, or get more. Ryan1000 01:02, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

98L.Invest
<p style="margin-left: 24px">Up to 40% we may very well get Leslie before the month is done.Allanjeffs 05:46, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">We'll see. Than again, I said Lee would come before September last year, but he didn't. Leslie could do the same this year. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  08:02, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Conditons getting better...50%. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  12:12, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Could become a td later today or tomorrow.Allanjeffs 12:16, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

The models want to take this out to sea before it reaches the Antillies, but I wouldn't bet on that yet. They do predict at least a cat 2 from this in the next several days, and the uper antillies, like the Virgins and PR, should watch out for potential impacts from this. Bermuda could also be a target in the long run. If this becomes Leslie later today, 2012 will tie 1995 for the earliest "L" (or 12th) storm in the Atlantic basin. Ryan1000 16:22, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

First up to 70%...now 90%. In fact, this could already be Tropical Depression Twelve (or maybe even Tropical Storm Leslie) just by looking at satellites. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  06:30, August 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Advisories will probably be initiated at the 5am advisory time. This is forecast by most of the models to become a strong hurricane over the open Atlantic. If it becomes Leslie by Friday, this month will tie the record for most storms in a month set by September, 2002 and August, 2004 (bet you guys forgot about 2002 huh). Also worth noting: the first storm of September 2005 was "Maria". There is a chance the first storm of September 2012 could be "Michael", an incredible feat considering we didn't have a single storm in July (2005 had five). The difference in 2005, however, was the seven-storm October, which was incredible. With El Nino, coming, I seriously doubt we'll see more than three storms in October. But still, activity has been amazingly persistent for the past three seasons. The US, despite two unpleasant visits from 'I' storms, has been incredibly lucky considering how many storms we've had the past three years. -- SkyFury 07:24, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Come on....100%.. Isaac829 E-Mail  11:57, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just as I was going to make a comment this has been renumber into the 12 depression of the season.<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">invest_RENUMBER_al982012_al122012.ren.Allanjeffs 12:10, August 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">2007 and 2010 also had 8-storm Septembers, but not the same rate of Activity outside of September. I wuldn't expect much from this regarding impacts, but it could easily be our first major hurricane. Ryan1000 14:40, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Twelve
And it's here. Forecast to be a hurricane, but will likely become a major. Ryan1000 17:28, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Leslie
Wait, sorry, it was already TD 12, but anyways, latest advisory says Leslie. Ties 2004 for most active August on record. Ryan1000 17:36, August 30, 2012 (UTC)]

Looks like Leslie will be our first major, though Kirk could beat it. 65.34.84.50 21:00, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I wouldn't expect either to affect land, but Bermuda and Canada could be targets of Leslie in the long run. The Euro model also sees Leslie intensifying into a strong major hurricane, and see a ridge of high pressure building in front of the trough that will recurve Kirk and keep Leslie on a course that could take it into New England. Ryan1000 03:05, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I think Leslie will become a major. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  04:55, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would have to discount the Euro solution at this time. It just doesn't seem realistic. However, I'm also suspicious that the GFS may be overdoing the intensity just a bit. I initially thought that Leslie was going to have a free ride to major hurricane status, but NHC is now saying there could be a sharp increase in wind shear after 48 hours. So that's giving me pause. It still may become a major hurricane, but it will probably take longer than we initially thought. Bermuda really needs to watch this thing. GFS takes it very close to the island as a strong hurricane before turning it sharply to the northeast. I think this is a distinct possibility. -- SkyFury 05:02, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe it could be a Fabian for Bermuda if it becomes a major by then, but other than Bermuda and possibly Newfoundland, Leslie should not affect land. Ryan1000 15:03, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Frankly I'm not sure if Leslie will become a hurricane anymore. NHC says that Leslie's struggling with shear, and she looks none too impressive on satellite imagery . NHC is now keeping Leslie at 70 mph for the next two days. --HurricaneMaker99 16:35, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't tell me this will fail too... Ryan1000 17:59, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Given the hostile shear conditions, I'm really surprised the models were blowing this thing up like they were. The Euro sniffed it out a lot sooner than the GFS did, but they still didn't show any problems for Leslie initially. The models have been a little shakey the last couple of storms, they really need to get it together. As for Leslie, it may still become a hurricane in the long run, but it's gonna have to fight through some shear for the next 3-4 days. It'll be interesting to see if she can tough it out. Of note, we've had 12 storms but not one of them has reached major hurricane strength. This has been a recurring theme the past couple of years. -- SkyFury 00:02, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

At this time last year, we had Irene and Katia both becoming majors, not to mention Ophelia and Rina (post-season) would follow. The fact we've had none thus far this season is somewhat surprising, given how many storms we've had, but I think we'll get one later. Ryan1000 01:32, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

September
Is here, but nothing except the crossovers are active. Ryan1000 17:59, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Beware the First Storm of September! -- SkyFury 04:52, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes indeed. But not yet. =) Ryan1000 05:20, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * maybe this year not new AOI at 20% may beocme Michael if conditions are ideal.Allanjeffs 06:01, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not feeling that one. It's already been lowered to 10% and shear conditions are worse for it than for Leslie. -- SkyFury 18:53, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

New Hurricane Wiki Main Page
I think my renovated page can get more feedback here, so here you go:

Transcluded from my blog: Hello! Thanks for coming here.

Today I was thinking that our Hurricane Wiki main page was lacking detail, so I decided to make a test rennovation of it. I am currently accepting comments and feedback on my new rennovated main page that you can find here. Comment on this blog post if you want to send feedback. You can suggest more things or any fixes I can incorporate into the sandbox before I can replace the main page with it.

Thanks for your feedback in advance. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 00:06, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like the new homepage. Cyclone10 E-Mail  00:46, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually think that it looks pretty good. We can make the new homepage official by the start of June; by then we should have reccieved enough feedback from everyone. Ryan1000 10:32, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * This new homepage is truly awesome! Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  11:10, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * One quick question: what's the main thing about the article of the month thing I see there? Will it automatically be updated or will we choose what article goes there on IRC? Ryan1000 13:10, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Regarding the article about the month.... we could either do a monthly pick on IRC anywhere from 0 to 3 days in advance of the next month, or we could create a set for the year. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 13:46, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Retirements at a Glance
Here's mine:
 * Alberto - 0% - No.
 * Beryl - 20% - Wasn't that much damage.
 * Chris - 0% - It's a early hurricane, but I still doubt it.
 * Debby - 25% - Wasn't as bad as I expected.
 * Ernesto - 20% - See you in 2018, Ernie.
 * Florence - 0% - Probably not.
 * Gordon - 15% - See Beryl.
 * Helene - 5% - Less damage than Ernesto.
 * Isaac - >40% - For now.
 * Joyce - 0% - Florence's twin.
 * Kirk - ?
 * Leslie - ?

-- Isaac829 E-Mail  21:06, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * If it floats your boat; mine has a hole in it, though. Yes, retirement predictions can be fun, and I can't fault anyone for being excited at the early activity in the ATL and EPAC, but what's the point of doing these sections after just one or two failures that couldn't get the boot if they tried? I did mine just after Don last year, but I think just after the "A" storm is pushing it... but then again, this is the first time I've been here for the early-season (started posting in November 2010, then disappeared until last July), so if starting this early is a custom, then fine. But I won't post mine until we're at least through Debby (or until we get a significant storm, should she, Beryl, or Chris become such). --HurricaneMaker99 19:40, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't see the huge point in starting this section after the first storm in the season. Normally, I wait until we get 4-6 storms until I name my canidates in part 1, or a notable storm altogether. I began part 1 in 2010 in EPac right after the first storm in that year, but Agatha did have a reasonable chance of retirement. Alberto and Aletta do not. So can we perhaps wait a little more in the future? Ryan1000 23:50, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

I don`t know if to make predictions for the ENP because they never retire names with good numbers of retirement nowdays they didn`t even retire Agatha that kill a lot of people but retire Alma that just because represent soul I don`t think that is a good excuse for taking her out and not Agatha.Allanjeffs 22:59, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Retirements for Mexico and Central America are weird and most often random. Mexico retired Kenna of 2002, which killed 4 and did 101 million in damage and they didn't retire Karl or Alex of 2010, which did nearly 8 billion in damage combined. Alex was described by some as Monterrey's worst hurricane since 1909 and Karl hit Mexico's biggest port city as a major hurricane (also described as the worst hurricane to hit Veracruz in a long time), but wasn't retired. If you want to talk about snubs, don't go past Gordon. Karl was perhaps the worst damage snub ever, or a second to Juan of 1985. Ryan1000 01:01, June 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * So that's why one has to look for more than numbers alone to predict a retirement (such as post-impact press coverage, to name a factor), as I said I think during that debate about 2 years ago. <font color="Blue">Darren 23   Edits |Mail  01:37, June 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually Ryan Central America retire almost anything that hits them except Matthew because I think the values of property damage were exagerate and its true Darren press coverage induce retirement with Mitch for example almost every octuber the press remember Mitch and they do an hour of remember of how much things it destroy and all that, meanwhile with Matthew no one remembers him. if you came here you will se how weird it is to someone in here not remember the name Mitch,supposedly is bad luck in here that name.Allanjeffs 04:20, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I don't always care what the press says. What they view as bad isn't always what others view as bad. Hurricane Hanna of 2008, for example, didn't get that much press coverage after it struck Haiti(certainly not as much as Gustav and Ike did), but a storm that kills over 500 people still should be retired IMO. Hanna killed more people than Gustav and Ike combined for christ's sake. I don't care what anyone says; that's bad one way or another. Wouldn't you view 537 people dead as bad enough for retirement? Damage and media attention do play a role in notability, but it doesn't always correspond to what really is the case. Personally, I don't like the fact the Atlantic gets all the attention (the WPac and NIO storms are certainly more notable by death toll), but I know can't really change that. The media of the North Atlantic overhypes hurricanes when they approach the coastlines of Central America and the U.S, but the reason why is because they want to get people to evacuate and out of harm's way, because since the Mitch/Katrina tragedies ect, they don't want that to ever happen again. I don't know if it's because we "care more" in the U.S. or Central America, but I don't always view hurricanes based on the amount of media attention they get. A similar practice has been applied by the National Weather Service since the tragedy of the Joplin Tornado of 2011; the're using a more urgent voice in tornado warnings to get people out of harm's way, but that doesn't mean the tornado was as bad as they said it would be. Ryan1000 06:21, June 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm talking about indicators that give a good idea if a storm name will be retired. Damages and deaths alone, due to past experience, cannot solely be used to determine if a storm will be retired. Admittedly, there are many which I believed should have been retired (maybe Lee, Karl, Alex and Agatha from the past 2 years. Honestly, I thought Lee had the best shot of all of these to be retired, followed by maybe Alex), but they weren't. I don't make my predictions on what I think should be retired, but what I think will be retired. <font color="Blue">Darren 23   Edits |Mail  15:13, June 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * For my retirement predictions, I take into account three things: statistics (55%), reaction (40%), and past occurances (5%). --CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 15:18, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I make my predictions on what storm names I think should be retired. Although i'm not sure if the storm will be retired, if it killed enough people and caused enough damage (Hanna in one of those cases), then it should be retired IMO. What will happen isn't always what I think should happen, but that's just my opinion, of course, and if i'm wrong in the end, so be it. Ryan1000 18:26, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

My predictions: Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  16:19, June 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Alberto - 0.1% - Some slight effects in the Southeast, but it's not likely.
 * 2) Beryl - 10% - Lots of Memorial Day hype, but damage will probably not be enough for retirement.
 * 3) Chris - 0.01% - A rare and unusual storm! The 0.01% is for what he accomplished.
 * 4) Debby - 20% - Loads of flooding in Florida.
 * 5) Ernesto - 25% - Strongest storm, but this is no Emily.
 * 6) Florence - 0% - NO.
 * 7) Gordon - 5% - I underestimated your damage in the Azores.
 * 8) Helene - 2% - Gave Mexico some rain.
 * 9) Isaac - 65% - Everyone, call me crazy, but a storm causing $3 billion is NOTHING to giggle at. It is safe to say that all our Atlantic "I" names are now replacements of previous ones.
 * 10) Joyce - 0% - Ususally, I don't post a storm's retirement chance while it's spinning, but Joyce has no hope of going.
 * 11) Kirk - TBA - Still Active
 * 12) Leslie - TBA - Still Active


 * We've started this already? Really? Lol. -- SkyFury 21:39, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I mentioned it's not worth the trouble to start it after just few (fish) storms in the season. Unless Debby turns out to be threatening for Corpus Christi, I won't be posting mine for a while. Ryan1000 04:01, June 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's a little to early to do retirements, the next chance for me to post mine will be when a big hurricane is threatening a land mass, Debby came close, but it just decided to be picked up by the trough. 96.242.128.215 18:03, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

My Percentages:
 * 1. Alberto: 0% - Only slight effects.
 * 2. Beryl: 2% - Not alot of damage.
 * 3. Chris: 0% - Became a hurricane, and that's about it.
 * 4. Debby: 25% - Some flooding in Florida.
 * 5. Ernesto: 25% - Effects not damaging enough.
 * 6. Florence: 0% - See you in 2018.
 * 7. Gordon: 12% - Probably not much in Europe
 * 8. Helene: 10% - Didn't amount to much.
 * 9. Isaac: 60% - Looks like Isaac is our first real retirement contender.
 * 10. Joyce: 0% - Joyce, you didn't have a choice.
 * 11. Kirk: 0% - Kirk won't affect anyone.
 * 12. Leslie: TBA

Simlover123 (talk) 03:08, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

My turn

Alberto:1% unsual doesn`t mean retirement

Beryl: 10% rare may storm but not a lot of damage. it even help with th drought

Chris: 0% rare don`t earn retirement

Debby: 30% a lot of flood in Florida and tornadoes but no allison

Ernesto: 25% probable a cat 2 but no a lot of damage for Mexico standards

Florence:0% Meh... see you in 2018

Gordon:7% don`t know if he produced damge but if he did maybe not a lot May do some in the Azores

Helene:5% Fail even though you kill two people

Isaac:85% the thing is it would be a bust if you stay with at least 5billion dollars in damage you are out imo even Dr Masters think you are gone.

Joyce:0% FAIL!!! even Florence was better than you I pity storms like you.

Kirk 0% you were near major hurricane but no effects on land

Leslie???'

Allanjeffs 20:41, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Now that we've had a decent number of storms, I'll do mine. --HurricaneMaker99 16:44, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alberto: 0% - Gets points for the early kickoff, but if there was any impact, it was negligible.
 * Beryl: 10% - This storm was amazing to watch. Second pre-season storm for the first time in 104 years, second May storm for the first time in 125 years, strongest pre-season U.S. landfall on record, strongest pre-season storm in 42 years (Hurricane Alma 1970)... the fact that Beryl accomplished all of these meteorological achievements without ever becoming a hurricane makes it seem all the more badass. Impact, however, was fairly minor, even though the timing sucked.
 * Chris: 0% - Put on a freakshow in the far northern Atlantic, but didn't hurt anybody in the process.
 * Debby: 15% - I'm skeptical about the damage figure being as low as $42.5 million. Take a look at this. 28.78 inches of rain? Wow. With such a large area receiving 7+ inches of rain, I wouldn't necessarily expect retirement-worthy figures, but still.
 * Ernesto: 10% - Wasn't as bad as Arlene last year, if stronger.
 * Florence: 0% - Gets an F.
 * Gordon: 10% - It looks like the Azores made it out OK.
 * Helene: 2% - Looked very sickly when it made landfall in Mexico, so I doubt there's much damage there. I also doubt that the damage and 2 fatalities in Trinidad & Tobago will count since they were from the remnants of then-TD 7, but then they wouldn't be enough for retirement anyway.
 * Isaac: N/A - Still active, but I'm growing increasingly concerned about Mississippi.
 * Joyce: 0% - At least Florence was respectably strong.

Ryan grand has made his speech: Ryan1000 21:40, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alberto - 0% - Not exactly a fail because it formed 2 weeks ahead of schedule, but no (significant) impacts, so no retirement here.
 * Beryl - 5% - Beryl is somewhat credible for it's early formation and landfall, but impacts weren't too serious. In fact, it was helpful for relieving the drought in that part of the lower 48.
 * Chris - 0% - I gotta say, I'm impressed Chris managed to pull of a hurricane, but let's be serious here. It never hit land, so he won't be retired.
 * Debby - 20% - If the initial reports are underexaggerated, this might be a 30% instead. However, one thing's for sure - Debby was no Allison.
 * Ernesto - 10% - Ernie was much less than what I expected him to be, but although he hit as a hurricane and caused some impacts, in comparison to what Mexico has seen before (Alex, Karl) Ernesto doesn't stand a chance of retirement.
 * Florence - 0% - Little Flo didn't pack a blow...Yeah, she's the last original "F" name from the 1979-now lists (like Isaac is the last original "I" name), but sorry Flo, no chance of retirement. Better luck in 2018.
 * Gordon - 10% - It certainly caused some impacts in the Azores, but probrably not enough for retirement.
 * Helene - 5% - Very little impact.
 * Isaac - 60% - I've seen a damage report claiming 1.5 billion in damage, but that is probrably conservative, as is the 60%.
 * Joyce - 0% - You have no choice Joyce. Try again in 2018.
 * Kirk - 0% - Not expecting it to affect land.
 * Leslie - ?? - This one might be too soon to tell for now, since it could affect land in the long run.

My predictions: Andros 1337 (talk) 23:07, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alberto - <1% - very minor effects on the East Coast.
 * Beryl - 10% - strongest pre-season storm to hit the U.S., although effects were minor.
 * Chris - 0% - fishspinner.
 * Debby - 20% - moderate effects, but nothing too severe.
 * Ernesto - 15% - some moderate effects, although Mexico has seen much worse before.
 * Florence - 0% - fishspinner.
 * Gordon - 10% - some impact on the Azores, but nothing severe.
 * Isaac - 60% - Current damage estimate is $3 billion.
 * Joyce - 0% - fishspinner.
 * Kirk - 0% - active, but expected to remain a fishspinner.
 * Leslie - ?? - to early to determine.

The Great Seer Speaketh: -- SkyFury 02:28, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alberto: 3% - This storm did cause rough surf along the east coast that required several water rescues.
 * Beryl: 15% - Beryl was amazing. It was damn near a hurricane when it hit Florida...in May! Crazy. I was flying home from London the day it made landfall and we were wondering if it was gonna affect us. Turns out it didn't but it was definitely interesting. Killed six people but didn't cause much damage.
 * Chris: 0% - Probably made Grand Banks fishing a little interesting though. It was a beautiful storm.
 * Debby: 25% - Caused very severe flooding across northern Florida and killed nine people.
 * Ernesto: 15% - Raised hell, but in the end, it wasn't much. It did kill seven people.
 * Florence: 0% - Fell on its face way out in no man's land. Not even sure the Cape Verdes got a drop of rain.
 * Gordon: 5% - It got fun in the Azores for a bit.
 * Helene: 10% - Caused some minor flooding in Mexico, killed 2.
 * Isaac: 60% - Isaac is a borderline retirement case. New Orleans's $14 billion super levees did their job but Isaac caused incredible flooding in surrounding parishes and it may yet get worse. Death tolls and damage figures have gone up. Right now, the death toll sits at about nine in the US and 44 total with damage estimates at $3-4 billion. That's a pretty good case but we'll have to wait and see. If the US formally requests its retirement, it will probably be retired.
 * Joyce: 0% - Isaac's outflow had her taken outside and shot in the face lol.
 * Kirk: 0% - The bad Star Trek jokes will return in six years. See you in 2018 Captain Kirk! Godspeed.
 * Leslie: ??
 * (to be continued)

Replacement names
This might be a bit soon, but since we have a reasonable canidate for retirement, anyone have suggestions for Isaac? I know we're desperately running out of (descent) male "I" names, but I have a few here: Of these five, my personal pick would be Icarus. Ryan1000 22:11, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Icarus
 * Ignatius
 * Ioan
 * Irving
 * Ichabod

Here are mine: And please don't tell me the names have to be of English, Spanish, or French origin, since there was never such a requirement by the WMO. Andros 1337 (talk) 23:01, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Italo
 * Italus
 * Innocenzo
 * Ippolito
 * Ignazio
 * Inigo
 * Inocencio
 * Ildefonso
 * Isandro
 * Iago
 * Immanuel
 * Indigo
 * Irwin
 * Izzy (Yes, this can be a male name)
 * Isamu
 * Ifor
 * Ilswyn

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I like the names, though a few of them sound weird to me. I'll stick with Icarus. Also, Irwin's not a possibility IMO since it is already in use on the EPac; 2011 most rescently. Ignazio is a little confusing with Ignacio, as is Ignatius, but if the WMO can have two variants of the same name on both the ATL and EPac lists (i.e. Frank and Franklin, 2010 EPac and 2011 ATL), I wouldn't rule it out. I don't think the exact same name can be on both lists at the same time though, because if a severe Atlantic hurricane named Irwin hit Mexico and they requested it to be retired, the EPac Irwin would have to be retired as well to avoid confusion, and we'd need two new "I" replacements. And yeah, names don't have to be of English, French, or Spanish origin. Karl of 2010 is German, Igor of 2010 was Russian, ect. Ryan1000 23:49, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Ion

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Iden :this one

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Iron

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Ira: or this one can be the replacement of Isaac.

<p style="margin-left: 24px">IcariusAllanjeffs 01:04, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Here are my replacements:

We really don't have many unweird "I" names. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  01:14, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Isa
 * Ila (Arabic name)
 * Ilya (Russian name)
 * Iestin (variant of Justin) (my pick)
 * Immanuel
 * Innocente
 * Innocent
 * Ioan (too similar to Ione?)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I don't think Ioan is too confusing with Ione, but it could be. I personally pronounce them differently. I just thought a few of Andross's "I" names looked weird. Not all though, and we don't have as many "I" names as we do other names. Isa sounds feminine, but it could be either, even though it sounds weird. Ryan1000 03:24, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * My pick would probably be either Irving or Iggy. --HurricaneMaker99 14:10, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

I almost hope Isaac won't be retired because we're running out of 'I' names lol: The WMO has proven they are not shy about selecting Bible names, so any of this is fair game. Irvin and Ira are probably my favorite of this list. Irvin may be a little too close to Irwin, which is in use in the EPAC and Ira may be too close to Ida, which is in use, but I doubt either of those would present a problem. My concern is that, even though there are some good names remaining, that they're gonna start picking ridiculous stuff like Dorian in 2007 and Gonzalo in 2008. -- SkyFury 02:51, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Irvin
 * Irving
 * Immanuel
 * Innocente
 * Ingram
 * Ibrahim
 * Innis
 * Ioan
 * Ira
 * Ishmael (maybe there are some Moby Dick fans at the WMO)
 * Isa (was used in the West Pacific in 1997, it was one of the many Cat 5s that year)
 * Izzy

Wouldn't Isaiah be possible? 65.34.84.50 03:18, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Gonzalo was a joke. Gary would have been my personal pick for Gustav, but they had to pick that. Ian would have been my pick for Ike in 2008 (which also replaced Typhoon Ike in 1984), but Ian wasn't used as a replacement until Igor got the boot in 2010. Fernand was a complete F**k up; Fernando would have been the better choice by far. And we still have some descent "I" names left, but hopefully the WMO won't pick anything stupid. Ryan1000 05:20, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Robbie, Isaiah is too similar to Isaias, Ike's replacement. My replacement for Isaac, as said above, is Iestin. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  05:50, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">I'd pick Irving. Irving was already used in the WPac basin in the early 90's. 112.201.177.59 11:46, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Andrew please no. I can't even pronounce it. Ryan, I consider "Ferndand" to be a typo and will always use "Fernando" unless arm twisted. Hell, "Ferdinand" would've been better. "Dorian" was the worst though. There were so many great 'D' names to chose from: Derek, Darren, Daryl...the list goes on and on, but they chose that. Unbelievable. The WMO seems to have favored short names recently (Ike, Ida, Don, Ian), especially for 'I' storms, which is why I give a slight edge to "Ira". Of the seven 'I' names that have been retired (all in the past 11 years), five have been replaced by names of four letters or less. So I would look at the shorter names as being the most likely. But, again, predicting what the WMO is gonna do is like predicting what these hurricanes are gonna do. -- SkyFury 19:16, September 2, 2012 (UTC)