Forum:2012 Pacific hurricane season/Preseason-May

90E.INVEST
Came out of nowhere really. None of the models really showed this occurring today, more like weeks from now. But here it is and it looks great! Yqt1001 19:20, May 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * A preseason storm would be really nice. :D Cyclone10  E-Mail  19:46, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * First presason invest in EPAC NHC AOR since 2006. YE Tropical Cyclone
 * NHC says that 90E has a medium chance of becoming a TC.-- Cyclone10 E-Mail  14:37, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER HAS DEVELOPED ABOUT 550 MILES

SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF ACAPULCO MEXICO. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS APPEAR CONDUCIVE FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT...AND THE SYSTEM COULD BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION DURING THE NEXT DAY OR TWO AS IT MOVES SLOWLY NORTHWESTWARD. THIS SYSTEM HAS A MEDIUM CHANCE...40 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. ADDITIONAL SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOKS WILL BE ISSUED ON THIS SYSTEM LATER TODAY OR SUNDAY...IF NECESSARY.

Here we go! YE Tropical Cyclone  15:53, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Wow! The season hasn't even started yet, and we have a possible tropical cyclone forming! Hoping for Alma 2.0! Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  19:38, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * So, you want 10 people to die? YE Tropical Cyclone  21:38, May 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * ....and retire the name Aletta? Cyclone10 E-Mail  21:51, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I never said anything about Aletta killing people or being retired. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  01:45, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * With regards to what Andrew said about Alma 2.0, I'm pretty sure he meant the 1990 Alma, not the 2008 Alma. Besides, I wouldn't expect more than a tropical storm from this, maybe a weak hurricane, but it won't hurt anyone regardless. As I mentioned last year, Alma means "soul" in Spanish, so it was probrably retired for being an offensive name, not because of it's impact. From what I read after Alma 2008, it wasn't anything more than a big rain shower for the folks down there. Ryan1000 14:18, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Another special TWO issued. 50%. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  16:48, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly Alma did quite damage in Costa Rica Ryan.Allanjeffs 00:57, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER LOCATED ABOUT 600 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF MANZANILLO MEXICO CONTINUES TO GRADUALLY BECOME BETTER ORGANIZED. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS APPEAR CONDUCIVE FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT...BUT ARE FORECAST TO BECOME LESS CONDUCIVE BY TUESDAY. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...60 PERCENT... Yqt1001 00:40, May 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Damn! You got there before I did! Cyclone10 E-Mail  00:31, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

I personally don't view the damage in Costa Rica as being "extremely bad" after Alma 2008, since they've seen many other disasters that were worse, but if it was retired for that and not the meaning of its name, w/e. And we have our first red alert of 2012 in the EPac, i'd be surprised if we don't get Aletta now. I personally think it will hit a peak of 45 mph, maybe 50 mph. I'm surprised NHC doesn't even take it up to TS intensity in the next day or two. Ryan1000 00:46, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

It only has tomorrow to strength Ryan I also predict a ts of 45 to 50 mph it doesn`t have a lot of time to strength into a big monster.Allanjeffs 00:57, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Its now up to 80 percent &mdash;12R.KIEWII 11:55, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Now I really believe the 2012 PHS is trying to start early. I think Aletta will form from this system. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  12:12, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY HAS INCREASED OVERNIGHT NEAR THE CENTER OF A WELL-DEFINED LOW PRESSURE AREA LOCATED ABOUT 580 MILES SOUTH OF MANZANILLO MEXICO. IF THIS RECENT DEVELOPMENT TREND CONTINUES... THEN A TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD FORM LATER TODAY WHILE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS REMAIN SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...80 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES SLOWLY NORTHWESTWARD OR WEST-NORTHWESTWARD. ADDITIONAL SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOKS WILL BE ISSUED ON THIS SYSTEM LATER TODAY...IF NECESSARY. YE Tropical Cyclone

ATCF has it as 01E but we'll wait a few minutes until the NHC issues an advisory, if they do. &mdash;12R.KIEWII 14:40, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression One-E
Now designated, 45 kt peak expected. &mdash;12R.KIEWII 14:55, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's 35 knt. YE Tropical Cyclone
 * Oops, I was reading the gusts instead of the mean wind. &mdash;12R.KIEWII 15:03, May 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see no enthusiasm over this? It's a pre-season EPac storm, does no one care about how rare it is? Even if it did only come to being renumbered barely 6 hours before the season started. Yqt1001 19:11, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Now 45 kt peak expected &mdash;12R.KIEWII 20:38, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

At least is forecast to become a name storm:)Allanjeffs 21:01, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * It always was. YE Tropical Cyclone  23:21, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, don't me wrong Yqt, I'm very enthusiastic about this. Even though it formed only one day before the official start of 2012, it still count's as a pre-season storm, and it's still pretty cool to see something form this early in the EPac. This is the first time we've seen a storm form this early here in 16 years. As a matter of fact, Aletta-to-be looks almost like an exact replica of the 1996 tropical storm. The only difference is I don't think we will (or hope we won't) see any ships be affected by this thing. Ryan1000 00:51, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Aletta

 * Up on RBT. YE Tropical Cyclone  00:44, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed the header for ya, but not quite yet up by NHC. Hopefully we will see it soon! Ryan1000 00:54, May 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah its likely:EP, 01, 2012051500,, BEST, 0, 104N, 1080W, 35, 1004, TSAllanjeffs 01:59, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

On NHC: ...DEPRESSION BECOMES FIRST TROPICAL STORM OF THE YEAR IN THE EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC... Yqt1001 02:54, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Now this storm is officially Aletta. It is predicted to get gradually stronger, then weaken. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  11:46, May 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now 40 knts. Cyclone10 E-Mail  21:59, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * peaked already now downhill.Allanjeffs 03:24, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Down to 40 mph. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  10:54, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Can we all use knts please? Thank you. YE Tropical Cyclone  00:54, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * why? I have no trouble using knots but I prefer miles and if someone ask why is because miles are easier for me .Allanjeffs 01:02, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I prefer miles too, there's nothing wrong with either. There's no need to tell others what they should use, YE. Using the metric system(which the U.S. doesn't use), km/hr would be official instead of knots or mph, and I bet none of us like km/hr over mph or knots/hr. Anyways, with Aletta, it was good while it lasted, but now it's spiraling downward, and soon it will die. Ryan1000 02:21, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Aletta
Going down, now 35 mph...Ryan1000 09:53, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

She looks better than ever right now.Allanjeffs 23:24, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Expected to become a remnant low in less than 36 hours. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  02:20, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Somehow she is still here.-- Cyclone10 E-Mail  20:43, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Some of these storms don't know when to quit, like last year with a few storms like Irwin. Ryan1000 00:14, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Post-Tropical Cyclone Aletta
Last NHC advisory. So long, Aletta, and thanks for the early-season surprise! --HurricaneMaker99 15:34, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Yep, it's hats off to the first pre-season storm in the EPac in 16 years. Farewell, Aletta! Ryan1000 18:18, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

91E.INVEST
A floater but not confirmed by ATCF. Looks nicer anyways and probably has the best chance to develop. Yqt1001 19:50, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">yawn* Whoa, whoa, whoa! What do we have here? A pre-season invest in EPac? I haven't seen anything this early since tropical storm one-e in 1996. It's not every day we have a pre-season storm in the East Pacific proper, and although this storm (Aletta) would be the first one in 16 years, it's only a day or two before the official start of the season. It's not that far before the season begins (1992 holds that record). Ryan1000 20:55, May 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Imagine both 90E and 91E formed before May 15. Or is my calender screwed, and it is really June and summer (which means I have no school). YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  23:00, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">this what the NHC says about the systems: AT LOWER LEVELS...TWO AREAS OF ACTIVE CONVECTION HAVE EVOLVED IN THE PAST 24 HOURS...WITH LOW TO MID LEVEL CYCLONIC TURNING INDICATED IN SATELLITE IMAGERY...ONE NEAR 09N105.5W AND A SECOND NEAR 09N105.5W. COMPUTER MODEL GUIDANCE HAS NOT BEEN IN AGREEMENT THAT PAST SEVERAL RUNS ON THE EVOLUTION OF THESE TWO AREAS OF LOW PRESSURE. RECENTLY...THE WESTERN-MOST LOW HAS MAINTAINED WIDESPREAD CONVECTION AND SOME SHORT BANDS...BUT CONVECTION HAS DIMINISHED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE PAST FEW HOURS...AND DRIER LOW TO MID LEVEL AIR IS SLOWLY REACHING NEAR THIS FEATURE FROM THE NW. MEANWHILE...THE MORE EASTERN LOW DOES NOT APPEAR AS WELL ORGANIZED IN SATELLITE IMAGERY...AND A PARTIAL 1646 UTC ASCAT PASS DID NOT SUGGEST A WELL DEFINED CENTER WITH SIGNIFICANT WINDS. GLOBAL MODELS SUGGEST SOME POTENTIAL FOR THIS LOW TO STRENGTHEN AS IT LIFTS N DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND THE GFS HAS BEEN VERY INSISTENT DURING THE PAST SEVERAL RUNS THIS THIS LOW WILL INTENSIFY. THIS SYSTEM IS BEING MONITORED FOR POTENTIAL TROPICAL CYCLONE DEVELOPMENT...AS  IT PRESENTLY COVERED IN OUR OUR HIGH SEAS FORECAST UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIAHSFEP2. I actually like more the Atlantic than the Pacific so I hope we get Alberto soon.Allanjeffs 00:30, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think only one of them will form the NHC is not very enthusiastic with these two systems anyway we could have Aletta or we could have nothing.Allanjeffs 00:25, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking better than 90E right now. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone
 * Well, I don't care whether or not Alberto's coming, Aletta's likely coming sooner one way or another. As I said, if this thing develops, it would be the first pre-season storm in this basin since tropical storm one-e in 1996. Ryan1000 05:57, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: First medium risk thus far in the EPac; 40% chance of development in the next 48 hours. Ryan1000 15:35, May 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Both systems merged so I believed that the 40% is for both 91E and 90E. Yqt1001 15:45, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Actually no, 91E partially dissipated, 90E is the 40%. We should be discussing this over there. Yqt1001 15:50, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

AOI: Following Aletta
Probably will become a stronger storm than Aletta. Maybe even hurricane a few days out. 10% atm. Yqt1001 21:57, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Agree probably a cat 2 or 3 hurricane.Allanjeffs 23:07, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

My gosh! It's only two days in the season, and we have a potential candidate for Tropical Depression Two-E? That sounds like the beginning of an active season. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  10:58, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

92E.INVEST
Invested and up to 20%. Yqt1001 12:24, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Medium 30% &mdash;12R.KIEWII 18:52, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Not only does this storm have a chance to beat Aletta in terms of strength, but there are a fair number of models that take this storm slamming into southern Mexico over the next few days. The folks there better be careful of this thing (future Bud). Hopefully it won't get too strong. Also, if this storm does become Bud, it would mark only the third time in EPac history that two storms formed in May. The other times that happened were in 1971 and 2007(though 2007, on the flip side, had no storms form in June). Ryan1000 02:27, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Still at 30%. Cyclone10 E-Mail  02:49, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Probaly be cat 2 or 3 hurricane.Allanjeffs 02:59, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Up to 40%Allanjeffs 23:55, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Maybe a C1 hurricane, Allanjeffs. Cyclone10 E-Mail  00:58, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Down to 20%Allanjeffs 18:08, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

It appears to be losing itself, maybe it won't develop more than a minimal hurricane over the next few days. A little on topic, NHC says that TWC hurricane expert Dr. Rick Knabb will be the director of the National Hurricane Center when Bill Read retires on June 4. Ryan1000 20:44, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

It looks better than never a 40% chance I am saying in the next TWO.Allanjeffs 22:00, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Down to 20% looks like it has trouble organizing Allanjeffs 16:34, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe Bud won't come so soon after all. It still may become a TS, but probrably will not become a hurricane now. Ryan1000 19:55, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Back to 40%. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  12:38, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoa, it looks better now. Maybe I spoke too soon. 92E looks like it will become Bud tomorrow or Tuesday, but I still don't know about hurricane strength. Ryan1000 13:21, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not? Models go nuts with this thingy? YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  16:18, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Probably the first hurricane of the season.Allanjeffs 16:53, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

It just doesn't look like that so much now. I would have expected to see a hurricane from this storm by now, but I guess it's really taking it's time to organize. By now I would have expected to see at least a strong TS, but it's sitting over that warm water to organize some more before it heads west. Ryan1000 18:08, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * 60%! "...AND A TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD FORM TONIGHT OR TOMORROW AS THE LOW MOVES SLOWLY WEST-NORTHWESTWARD." --HurricaneMaker99 21:39, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Bud is coming people prepare for it.Allanjeffs 21:45, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is becoming tightly packed... I think it'll turn into Bud and then run off into the wind.CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 22:06, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * The bad thing with these storm is that many models bring to a landfall at Mexico as a hurricane.Allanjeffs 22:26, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * A ship wreck is also likely, sadly. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  23:58, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * 80%! Yqt1001 23:58, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AREA OF LOW PRESSURE

LOCATED ABOUT 500 MILES SOUTH OF ACAPULCO MEXICO CONTINUE TO BECOME BETTER ORGANIZED...AND CONDITIONS APPEAR FAVORABLE FOR A TROPICAL DEPRESSION TO FORM TONIGHT OR MONDAY. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...80 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES SLOWLY WEST-NORTHWESTWARD.

YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  00:00, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Whopee! - THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH CHANCE...80 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES SLOWLY WEST-NORTHWESTWARD.CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:59, May 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think we got a 2E: http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/htdocs_dyn_pregen_sat/PUBLIC/tc_pages/pages/tc12/EPAC/92E.INVEST/amsub/color/2degreeticks/full/20120520.2026.noaa19.x.color_89_150.92EINVEST.25kts-1006mb-90N-983W.74pc.html

I don't like the looks of this thing... I hoped it wouldn't do much at all, but now it looks like we could see our season's first major hurricane. If it does, Bud would be only one of 3 major hurricanes to develop in May in the EPac, after Adolph of 2001 and Alma of 2002. Furthermore, we could have the most active May on record if the AOI ↓behind this becomes Carlotta before the month is out. Ryan1000 01:53, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Two-E
Up on ATCF. 30kts, 1005mb. Probably will be the first NHem hurricane, SHIPS lists it as having a good chance at RI in 48 hours also. Yqt1001 01:54, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Darn you beat me anyway we have two-EAllanjeffs 01:55, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't see this coming. Cyclone10 E-Mail  02:01, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now officially TD 2-E. Cyclone10 E-Mail  02:42, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not, C10? YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  02:56, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

So we have 2E soon to be Hurricane Bud. Its supposed to be the first land falling system this year in the EPAC or ATL. If the AOI trailing 2E becomes Carlotta in a hurry we could be hoisting a record. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 03:05, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Doubt ithe AOI will form its too close to future Bud, Carlotta will have to wait.Allanjeffs 03:12, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * TD-2 is one of the southern tropical cyclones I have seen on this basin.Allanjeffs 03:42, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as i'm concerned, I believe Jimena of 1979 has the record of farthest south any storm developed in EPac. Including CPac, Ekeka and Hali were very nearly the same in latitude. Alma of 2008 is the Easternmost ever. Anyways, the folks near Zihuatanejo better be preparing for this. It could possibly peak as a C2 or even C3. Ryan1000 03:48, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't the AOI form, but give it a few days like 92E. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  04:03, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Bud
And here is the second named storm of the 2012 PHS. This is now only the third time since 1949 in which two tropical storms formed in EPac during May. Ryan1000 10:22, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Also, this is how early Bud formed: "WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF BUD...THIS IS THE EARLIEST DATE ON RECORD FOR THE SECOND TROPICAL STORM FORMATION IN THE EAST PACIFIC. IT SURPASSES THE PREVIOUS EARLIEST DATE OF MAY 29." Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  11:22, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * That statement is incorrect if you lump CPAC storms in, Bud would be the second earliest second named storm. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  12:56, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * The western flank of Bud is pretty big. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 20:45, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * In addition the models are weaker. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:51, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking better now. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  22:44, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Even if the models don't suggest it or the NHC doesn't predict it, personally I don't like the looks of Bud. It looks like some ominous storm in the making. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 02:11, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Gah, Bud's slacking. Still 40 mph/1004 mbar, and from the latest NHC discussion: "THE OFFICIAL NHC INTENSITY FORECAST IS REDUCED RELATIVE TO THE PREVIOUS ONE AND NO LONGER CALLS FOR BUD TO BECOME A HURRICANE." Screw you too, buddy! --HurricaneMaker99 02:53, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * At least it won't be too much of a wind problem in Mexico, but it'll still be a heavy rain maker. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 02:59, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nothing in compare to last season Carlotta will probable develop early June.Allanjeffs 03:17, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Bud finally got it's act together and a bunch of people are saying he has commenced a rapid intensification. ATCF shows him at 55 kts at the next update. Yqt1001 13:26, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * About time Bud started intensifying. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  14:13, May 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Finally!!! probably our first hurricane of the season now, or later today.Allanjeffs 18:08, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoa, I half-expected Bud to be dead by now - for a minute there, he was looking so much like an EPAC Gaston or <insert storm from 2011 AHS here>. Looks like we might get a hurricane from Bud after all... new advisory in just a few minutes, though he might be kept at 65 mph with a slight drop in pressure per the ATCF file. --HurricaneMaker99 20:39, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Apparently the "insert here" bit was taken literally, lol. --HurricaneMaker99 01:03, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, 65 mph/995 mbar it is. The latest forecast/advisory just went up. --HurricaneMaker99 20:42, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wonder... is it going to be like an Alex 2010 or Ike 2008 (huge with non-correlating wind speeds) or just a correlated storm? CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 20:52, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * (Don't forget Irene!) I doubt it, TBH. My general impression is that EPAC storms have slightly higher pressures than those in the Atlantic. Take Linda and Wilma, for example. Strongest storms in their respective basins, both had the same wind speeds (185 mph), but Wilma was some 20 mbar deeper. Consider also that the EPAC has never had a storm below 900 mbar (Linda came closest at 902 mbar); the Atlantic has had five (Wilma, Gilbert, Labor Day, Rita, and Allen). I wonder why that is...? --HurricaneMaker99 00:50, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably non-correlated. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  21:01, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Finally, Bud! I thought it would take off a day or two ago, but he stayed weak and now may not become a C2 or C3, but only C1. Also, his delayed intensification means less threat for mudslides and flooding on the Pacific Coast of Mexico. =) Maybe he won't be so bad after all. Ryan1000 00:06, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not even suppose to hit land anymore. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  00:21, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Getting close; ATCF says 60 kts (70 mph), 992 mbar. --HurricaneMaker99 00:42, May 24, 2012 (UTC) Ryan, Bud is getting larger and is just shy of hurricane strength base on ATCF and it will probably be one soon. as I say he is becoming larger and rain would be a big problem with Bud.Allanjeffs 00:45, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * ^Accidentally overwrote this when I posted my comment. Must have been a software bug. Sorry, Allan :/ --HurricaneMaker99 00:53, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bud is forming an eye... Pretty obvious in 85GHz and 37GHz images. 99.58.60.158 02:11, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Uh-oh, the new forecast track takes Bud MUCH closer to Mexico; enough to necessitate a Tropical Storm Watch. Current intensity is 70 mph/991 mbar, and the NHC is calling that conservative. --HurricaneMaker99 02:46, May 24, 2012 (UTC

Hurricane Bud
The first hurricane of the 2012 Eastern North Pacific hurricane season. this make Bud the first hurricane on May since hurricane Adrian in 2005.Allanjeffs 06:11, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical storm watches and warnings have been issued. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  10:33, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hunters should be giving great information in the next 30 mins or so. I'm curious to see if they confirm NHC's estimates. Certainly looks like a major though. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 19:28, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's at 90kts right now and ATCF says 100kts. Hunters just did the first fly through of the storm but something went wrong and they didnt get data...from what I can tell they might've found a 100mph wind. Yqt1001 19:37, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * <span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;text-align:left;">EP, 02, 2012052418,, BEST, 0, 160N, 1065W, 100, 961, HU<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;text-align:left;">, 64, NEQ, 20, 30, 20, 20, now a major base on ATCF, But remember the NHC doesn`t always follow the ATCF files.Allanjeffs 19:41, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * 964 hPa based on dropsonde. Highest SFMR surface winds are 89 kn and max FL winds is 108 kn. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 19:49, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I should also note that UW-CIMMS ADT is through the roof. It's now at T6.1. SSD is at T6.0. In any case, the weakening flag is on. Honestly, I'd say Bud's a major. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 19:54, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * NHC kept Bud as a high-end Cat 2, but with a pressure of 962 mbar... slightly low for 110 mph, I'd say. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Bud was a major at 1800 UTC; IIRC, the NHC would have prepared the interim advisory before then, whereas the ATCF would have come out shortly afterward. In any event, the updated forecast track predicts a landfall in Mexico, and a Hurricane Warning is now in effect. --HurricaneMaker99 21:07, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) Bud is like Alex 2010. I come home and find that Bud is now nothing short of a strong hurricane. Those in its path should surely be prepared by now. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:11, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

95/968 isn't really that bad. I'd consider it right around the range of a high-end C2. Looking at all the recon data so far, I agree with the NHC. There wasn't much conclusively supporting upgrading Bud to a major, except for the Sat. data. That being said, it's not that far off from C3. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 21:17, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bud reminds me of Eugene - compare this to this. --HurricaneMaker99 21:27, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Recon found 120 knt flight level winds, which about 100 knt on the surface. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  22:57, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, on the next advisory I think they will bump it to major. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:47, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Currently the National Hurricane Center is very reluctant to name Bud a major hurricane... as of the 5:00 PM PDT (8:00 PM EDT) advisory (brand new) Bud remains at 110 mph. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 23:57, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * It still can become a major.Allanjeffs 00:16, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe it has reached major hurricane strength, NRL and ATCF have it at 115 mph (100 knots) and a pressure of 961 mbar. Supportstorm 00:40, May 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agree Bud is probable a major now.Allanjeffs 01:06, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Is that a pinhole eye?! --HurricaneMaker99 01:46, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Probably just a slight deterioration in structure. Either that or my eyes haven't adjusted to satellite analysis after a few months break. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 02:03, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really, the storm appears to be starting an ERC. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  02:15, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Major Hurricane Bud
115 mph, 960 mbar. "CONVENTIONAL AND MICROWAVE SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES BUD HAS EVOLVED INTO AN ANNULAR HURRICANE WITH LITTLE TO NO OUTER BANDING FEATURES." Annular hurricane = NOT GOOD. I hope people in Bud's path are preparing for his arrival. --HurricaneMaker99 02:44, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Hurricane Bud (2nd Time)
It didn't peak at MH for very long, so latest advisory put it at 95 kt, which is stronger than I had thought. About 4 hours ago the SW and S part of the eyewall collapsed and the N eyewall is on the verge of fully collapsing. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 11:11, May 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Honestly, there's no way that this was an ERC. Remember that NHC advisories are prepped earlier than the advisory time. The deterioration didn't really start until right before 0300z Adv. was due. There was no evidence of concentric eyewall formation in any of the microwave scans, or the recon passes. The recent microwave pass supports the idea that it was just the deterioration of the central structure of the storm. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 12:35, May 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Anyways, Hurricane Bud has weakened considerably (I stress considerably) and is now a minimal hurricane. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 21:02, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * It should make landfall soon. Currently at 75 mph/995 mb. Andrew  Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  21:05, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Regardless, rainfall will be a problem with Bud. It is also notable for being the second-earliest major ever recorded in EPac and second-earliest date for the season's second storm, after Ekeka and Hali, respectively, of 1992. Hopefully it won't be to much of a hassle for the folks near Puerto Vallarta. Ryan1000 21:16, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">UPDATE:Whoa. Bud's collapsed. Matter of fact, I think it's barely a tropical storm based on the latest sattelite imagery; it actually could become a remnant low by the very next advisory or even early tomorrow. Ryan1000 21:38, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-left: 24px">Bud is like our Don he collapse in less than a day,the difference is that this became a major and Don only reach mid ts status.Allanjeffs 22:17, May 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * So closer to Rina then? And is this an eye or a dry slot? --HurricaneMaker99 22:22, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Dry slot. Cyclone10 E-Mail  22:36, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks more like Beatriz in terms of impact, just became stronger overall. Neither Rina nor Don did two sh!ts worth of impacts in the places they hit. Bud did bring some rainfall and impacts to Mexico, but it probrably wasn't too severe, like Beatriz. Ryan1000 23:02, May 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Beatriz even help a drought that was occuring in Mexico at that time I don`t know if Bud will.Allanjeffs 23:35, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Bud (2nd time)
Downgraded. Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  00:10, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Tropical Depression Bud
Well, its on a weakening streak and ready to die out. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 11:41, May 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well that was a fail... I don't even see the LLC anymore. The difference that a few hours could make. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 11:58, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I don't even think the folks over there got the day off of work from this. It barely did anything to them. Beatriz was a hurricane when it affected the coastline, Bud was barely a TS. I'd be surprised if it caused any significant impacts. Ryan1000 12:33, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * To me it was like a Don 2010, fizzling out on impact. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 12:37, May 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Dead and gone. Next! <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 14:59, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Post-Tropical Cyclone Bud
And our cross-breed between Rina, Beatriz, and Don is dead. --HurricaneMaker99 15:05, May 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * What a fail.... I don't think it did much to Mexico. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 15:11, May 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * XD this was a fail for landfall but for intensity was ok it even became a cat 3 so please don`t call him a fail.LOLAllanjeffs 15:15, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Bud was the second-earliest major hurricane and named storm in EPac history, so I wouldn't call him an epic failure. However, he did bring some beneficial rain without severe impacts. It might have helped crop growth, like Beatriz. He might be a fail for his weakening, but he did acomplish some remarkable feats, so he's not in the Hurricane Hall of Lame. Don and Rina are. Ryan1000 16:20, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

AOI:Following 92E
GFS likes this. Cyclone10 E-Mail  20:51, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * In regards to the GFS model, it is expecting a high end tropical storm or weak hurricane to reach maximum intensity 5 days out. It then predicts that it will head for the Mexican coast, stall, and dissapate without landfalling. What they're saying is pretty much analogous with Beatriz last year. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 14:15, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * If this thing becomes Carlotta(assuming 92E becomes Bud) before the end of May, the 2012 Pacific hurricane season will be the first one ever to have 3 storms form in May. That being said, it would also be the earliest date for the season's third storm to form. 1992's Agatha currently holds that record developing at the start of June(counting Ekeka and Hali in CPac). Ryan1000 18:11, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Could that possibly entail anything for the rest of the season? CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 19:34, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe? YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  03:42, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Doubt it.Allanjeffs 23:02, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not? Give me neutral or El Nino year examples plz. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  22:48, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * No I am saying about the AOI that it doesn`t even exist now all the energy was steal for the caribbean systemAllanjeffs 23:48, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh. YE <font color="#66666">Tropical <font color="#66666">Cyclone  02:31, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * We have a new invest in the Cpac

invest_cp852012.investAllanjeffs 18:57, June 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's a test invest. Don't get fooled. Cyclone10 E-Mail  19:13, June 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes... I got fooled by that too. The CPHC has issued 6 ATCF tests so far... make sure to keep an eye on the designation number. If its less than 90, it ain't real. -- CobraStrike  (t)(b)(c) 19:33, June 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * sorry thanks for the advice cobrastrike:)Allanjeffs 22:26, June 4, 2012 (UTC)