Forum:Hurricane Hall of Fame/Archive 1


 * Sounds good to me. Now we'll have to wait till' post-season. CobraStrike (t)(b)(c) 18:22, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is three or two months away. 10L.NONAME 01:23, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Should we begin it now? Or wait until December? I think 2011 has pretty much ended. Ryan1000 18:37, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Almost done... Cyclone10 Contributions  21:26, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * One more day... Cyclone10 Contributions  21:25, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's post-season. When should we begin? Andrew444  Talk  Blog  Contributions  23:45, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully it will begin soon. I'll wait for Eric to come and introduce the nominees. Ryan1000 11:27, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sometime soon.   Cyclone10   Talk    Contribs    Hurricane    01:28,12/10/2011

Anytime would be good now, but Eric probrably has a lot of work to do. I'll wait until he's ready. I think Hurricane Faith could be a good player, and it could be my no.1 pick for meteorological aspects, if not Wilma or Ike(strength and size). In terms of impacts and how long it will be remembered, I think no. 1 is either Katrina or the 1900 hurricane IMO, possibly Mitch(the U.S. isn't the only country affected by Atlantic hurricanes, not like we need to "care more"). Ryan1000 01:14, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'll pick Igor for size and strength. I also will pick Karl and Yasi for damage (any basin, right?). That's it for me.   Cyclone10   Talk    Contribs    Hurricane    01:28,12/10/2011

For strength, Wilma. Size, Tip. Impacts, Ike. Andrew444 Talk  Blog  Contributions  01:50, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

And Cyclone10, you forgot the "two seasons" rule (and the fact only the Atlantic, East Pacific, and West Pacific are available). Andrew444 Talk  Blog  Contributions  02:02, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'll pick Typhoon Tip (1979), 1975 Pacific Northwest hurricane, and the Perfect Storm (1991). Cyclone10 Contributions  03:03, December 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the delay guys, I completely forgot! December was crazy. I should've done it in January over the break but it just slipped my mind. Whenever you guys feel ready is fine with me. I've posted the "Pool of Twenty" for the Atlantic ballot as well as the Historical Electorate finalists for your perusal. A lot of the storms you guys mentioned in the comments above are already in. There are thresholds for automatic induction. If a storm killed more than 2,000 people and/or caused more than $10 billion in damage, it is automatically inducted. For storms prior to 2000, the damage figure is adjusted to 2004 inflation (the year the HHOF was founded). Storms that are automatically inducted do not count among the five electees and are not subject to the Two Seasons Rule. In the future, I'll post a full list of current members to this page. There are currently 86 Atlantic members. -- SkyFury 08:04, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think we should be able to pick our own finalists for the HOF. Everyone here has different opinions on which storms should be in the hall of fame and which should be in their top ten, ect. See the Favorite storms of 2011, for example. No two people have the exact same opinions. In other words, I think that a few storms should be thrown in the hall of fame for what they were able to do by a meteorological perspective. For example, I think that Hurricane 1 of 1908 should be on the HOF(and it's in my top ten) because it was the earliest hurricane on record in the Atlantic basin, or Able of 1951 for being the only off-season major hurricane, Faith for being the longest-traveling ever, ect. Impacts aren't entirely the basis for storms in the hall of fame. I certainly believe impacts make hurricanes qualify for the hall of fame, but just because a hurricane doesn't make landfall doesn't mean it's not historicially signifigant. My top ten for the Atlantic(not in order) are as follows:

These are my personal opinions. Ryan1000 00:15, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hurricane Katrina (costliest ever)
 * Hurricane of 1780 (deadliest ever)
 * Storm 1 of 1908 (earliest hurricane ever)
 * Hurricane Wilma (strongest ever)
 * Hurricane Faith (longest-traveling ever)
 * Labor Day Hurricane (strongest landfall ever)
 * 1899 Hurricane San Ciriaco (longest-lasting ever)
 * January Subtropical Storm of 1978 (earliest storm to form in the Atlantic basin)
 * Hurricane Able of 1951 (Only off-season major hurricane)
 * Hurricane Lili of 1984 (latest hurricane and latest landfall ever)


 * You guys keep naming storms that are already in. Katrina, Wilma, and San Ciriaco all got in automatically. 1780 (class of 2007), 1908 (class of 2007), Faith (class of 2006), Labor Day (inaugural class of 2004), and Able (class of 2006)...all those are members. I'm currently posting a list of storms that are already in. There are 86 of them. I posted 20 candidates down at the bottom of the page (see the section "Hall of Fame 2012") that are NOT in and I feel are the best candidates of those that have yet to be inducted. I'd like you to at least take a look at those. You are free to suggest other candidates but keep in mind, 86 are already in. 86! That's a lot. Lili was not the latest hurricane ever, Alice 2 of 1954 (class of 2005) was, and Lili never made landfall. 1978 I don't find as significant because it was subtropical. I'd rather get storms that were incredibly damaging and only the most prominent records. I'm not trying to force you to pick from the 20 I suggested, I'm just trying to give some structure to this. I worry that if we just have a free-for-all, we'd never come to a consensus on ten finalists. -- SkyFury 23:17, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about only the newcomers for 2012, my list above isn't official. That was from all of them. I was about to ask you about Ike and Gustav but you put them there before I could say it. You could also include Paloma, who was the second-strongest November hurricane ever by windspeed, but I don't always give respect for second place. Other storms that could be eligible(if you haven't included it yet) is the 1880 Brownsville Hurricane, which was the strongest hurricane ever known to hit the Brownsville area on record, and possibly the worst hurricane in the city's history and Alicia(which I don't see below either). Most of the other storms i've heard of before. Ryan1000 03:32, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * One more thing - I don't base a storm's fame off of it's impact alone. If a storm forms or makes landfall outside of the actual Atlantic hurricane season(like the second hurricane of 1908;it was the earliest U.S. landfalling hurricane ever), then it is eligible for entry in the HOF IMO. Alma 1966 is also a canidate(one of only 3 June majors), or Alma 1970, one of only 3 may hurricanes in the 20th century, after the 1908 storm and Able 1951. The pre-season storms of 1932-1934 also qualify IMO because it was the first time ever a TS formed in May for 3 straight years. The May hurricane of 1889 is another example, along with Odette and Peter in 2003. You're saying you only want "the best of the best" in the hall of fame, and I agree with that, but we already used (or entered) most of those storms already. I at least think Alicia should be included for 2012, and Alma 1966 or 1970 should be there as well. I also don't care if the 1978 storm was subtropical, it still qualifies as the earliest storm to form in the history of the Atlantic basin. If a storm qualifies for the HOF and it hasn't been used, then why deny it entry? If you want to wait until later years like 2013 to put in storms in the HOF in chronological order of notability, i'm fine with that too. We can put in the second hurricane of 1908 this year, and Alma 1970 next year, ect, if you would prefer that. Ryan1000 15:10, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that a storm's candidacy should not be based on impact alone. In fact, many current members were elected on the basis of some remarkable feat. I do tend to place more weight on storms that were very destructive. I think a storm that left a lasting physical and psychological impact on a region via the damage it caused is much more deserving than a storm that set a cool record. The latter has to have done something really crazy for me to nominate it. Just being an offseason storm is not good enough IMO. The storm really has to have done something to set itself apart. I'm not dismissing 1978 off hand. It certainly could be elected down the road, but I feel that there are much stronger candidates right now. It's interesting that you bring up Alicia. Alicia is definately a good candidate and in fact was originally on my Pool of Twenty from 2009 but I cut it to make way for 2008's Hurricane Hanna (which was not eligible in 2009). In analyzing the candidates, I tried to look at the storm's legacy and the lasting impact it had. Perhaps, instead of a Pool of Twenty, I could post a longer list of "notable storms missing." For example, in addition to Alicia and the twenty I listed, Celia from 1970 is not in. Gloria, 1985, is not in. Juan from '85 is not in either. The 20 I posted were the ones that I felt were the strongest candidates. Take I look, I think you'll find them interesting. Which ones do you like? Which ones do you not agree with and what storms would you replace them with? Now that you have a list of who's in, who are some of your favorite candidates? -- SkyFury 09:10, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

I have two things to say: First, IMO a few storms that could(and should) be added to the HOF include Alicia, the 1775 Newfoundland Hurricane or the 1776 Pointe a Pitre Guadeloupe hurricane; possibly Celia or Juan, in place of a few of the 1800 storms like the 1804, 1822, and 1824 storms on the top ten for 2012. Second, knowing you, where the hell is Gordon?? Ryan1000 23:23, February 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Gordon was Class of 2006 but yikes I see I forgot to put him on the list. I better check for other omissions. The reason those 18th Century storms aren't in there is because the HOF stops at 1800. The 1780 storm got a special exemption because it was the deadliest ever. The reason is, because the Atlantic historical record is so vast, I didn't want a bunch of 18th Century storms taking space on the ballot from very deserving modern era storms. I also am much more discriminating when it comes to pre-1800 storms because death tolls are bound to be higher in those days for obvious reasons. What I could do is expand the Historical Electorate to a five storm class, running it just like the modern era ballot. The question is, how far back do you go? I draw the line where finding reliable data becomes an issue. So I'm not particularly comfortable going farther back than the 1600s. Question: Do you like the current format, starting with a Pool of Twenty, whitling it to ten and selecting the five inductees from there? I don't know a better way to get it done in a timely manner. What do you think of the storms on my list? I still haven't got your opinion on those. Who would you take off? Who would you put in their place? Remember, eventually we're gonna have to actually start voting. -- SkyFury 03:55, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you don't consider pre-1800 storms(excluding 1780) reliable record storms, then i'll be fine with that, but I also believe the 1775 and 1776 storms should reccieve exemptions like the 1780 storm because the're on the top ten deadliest ever. Other than those storms, i'm fine with the list you have. My personal pick for no. 1 on the list for 2012, if you decide to include it, is the 1776 Pointe a Pitre hurricane. I'm not trying to break the rules, but we can make a few more exceptions if need be. The 1775 and 1776 storms are a few such storms. We don't need to include every storm before 1800, but other than 1775 and 1776, we could also include 1635's hurricane. Regarding the format, I think we should pick any top ten we want from the 2012 list and then we can rule it down to the top 5 most famous storms of the 2012 HOF. I don't think we'll come to a consensus on a no. 1 most famous storm, but we can rule it down to the top 5. If you decide not to include the 1775 and 1776 storms, which I think should qualify like 1780 did, then my top ten list for 2012 is here(not in order of most to least famous):

Ryan1000 10:53, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hurricane Stan
 * Tampico Hurricane of 1933
 * San Ciprian Hurricane of 1932
 * Hurricane Hanna
 * Hurricane Charlie of 1951
 * 1926 Nasau Hurricane
 * Hurricane Noel
 * Brownsville Hurricane of 1933
 * Hurricane Cleo
 * Hurricane Dennis


 * Now we're getting somewhere! The pre-1800 storms are definately worth considering and that's something I'll be thinking about before we do the Historical Electorate. I agree that we should select ten from the pool of twenty and try and come to a consensus on the five electees. I've been sitting on my ten for three years. I made one minor change, adding Hanna (which was not eligible in 2009) to my list in place of 1898 Windward Islands.


 * San Magin Hurricane, 1891
 * Cyclone of the Five Days, 1910
 * Nassau Hurricane, 1926
 * San Ciprian Hurricane, 1932
 * Great Tampico Hurricane, 1933
 * Hurricane Charlie, 1951
 * Hurricane Cleo, 1964
 * Hurricane Dennis, 2005
 * Hurricane Stan, 2005
 * Hurricane Hanna, 2008
 * We differ on only two storms, which is good. I chose San Magin and the 1910 storm over Brownsville and Noel because I felt they both had a greater impact on the regions they affected. The 1910 storm is legendary in Cuba, having almost a mythical quality to it. It's widely considered one of the worst storms in Cuba's history, though this doesn't statistically bear out. Reports on the death toll differ greatly. Cuban sources put it as high as 700, but this may be apocryphal. The 700 figure for the San Magin storm is not disputed. If anything it's conservative. It took Martinique decades to recover. Noel was close. It was similar to, but not quite as severe as, Hanna. Now we just have to wait for the rest of the crowd to submit their lists. It being the offseason, it may take a while for them to wander in. But as soon as activity kicks up a little bit, we should be able to drag them over here lol. -- SkyFury 07:30, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * If I had to pick between Hanna and Noel, I would pick Hanna instead, but I think both are deserving of something in the HOF nevertheless. However, my top 5 list is different. After some consideration, I've decided to pick my top 5 canidates for 2012 as follows:


 * 1933 Tampico Hurricane
 * Hurricane Charlie 1951
 * 1891 San Magin Hurricane
 * 1926 Nasau Hurricane
 * 1910 Cuba Hurricane

I believe thiese storms should qualify for the top 5 hall of fame for these reasons:The 1933 Tampico Hurricane is on par with the 1909 Monterrey Hurricane as the deadliest hurricane in Mexico's history. That's notable. Charlie of 1951 was one of the worst hurricanes ever known to hit Jamacia, Cozumel, and Tampico, and it's staggering death toll makes it qualify for the top 5 of 2012, in addition to widespread damage. The 1926 Nasau Hurricane was a legendary hurricane for the Bahamas. Possibly the deadliest hurricane in the history of the islands, that storm killed upwards of 250 people in the Capital of the archapelago, not to mention it was also the earliest category 4 at the time. After reading what you said about the 1910 Cuba(five days) hurricane and the 1891 San Magin Hurricane, I think they should qualify for the top five as well. That's what I can say for now. And it's technically not offseason for Hurricane Wiki (The SHem has activity too, you know) Ryan1000 14:59, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, i'm back (geez, no one else cares about this right now), but i've decided to rule it down to my top 3 hall of famers for 2012, after reviewing my list above.

That'll be it for me. Ryan1000 18:01, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1933 Tampico Hurricane
 * 1926 Nasau Hurricane
 * 1910 Cuba Hurricane


 * Well, five get in per year, so whittling it down to three was unnecessary. What about Stan? Stan's a shoo in, IMO. I was almost annoyed that it just missed automatic induction and will take a ballot spot away from another deserving storm. Tampico only killed 184 people, far from the deadliest in Mexico's history. Now, all of these storms should be Hall of Famers, but my five are:


 * San Magin Hurricane
 * Cyclone of the Five Days (the local name for the 1910 Cuba hurricane)
 * Hurricane Charlie
 * Hurricane Cleo
 * Hurricane Stan
 * Yeah it's really quiet on the forums right now, it being March...one of the reasons why I didn't want to do this at the end of the season instead of the beginning. We'll just have to wait until we can get some more people over here. We can't do it just between the two of us. -- SkyFury 05:30, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * 184 people? I read the 1933 Tampico Hurricane killed or injured over 5,000 people in Mexico, not 184. I decided to include a top 3, but that's not entirely necessary. And as I said earlier, most of the 2,000 deaths from Stan were not entirely attributed to him. The 1,500+ deaths from Guatemala make sense as a total, but as I said above, Stan combined with an upper-level low when it died over southern Mexico, so I don't believe that all of the deaths and damage were directly from Stan. Stan's remnant's caused the deaths and damage when it combined with that low, but like you said with the 1978 storm, i'm more discriminating against it if it wasn't a tropical cyclone when it caused it's damages. But yeah, everyone else is either absent from the wiki or on the Southern Hemisphere forum(where i've been), just to look at something in the tropics. BTW Eric, do you have any ideas for the Eastern Pacific and Western Pacific for 2012? I was going to mention Madeline 1976, Norma and Lidia 1981, and two unnamed storms in 1918 and 1927 for 2012. Since the Eastern Pacific rarely has any notable storms, we need to limit the HOF there to only, say 5 storms per year. Alma and Norman of 2008 and Lane of 2006 are some more potential canidates we could include. Ryan1000 18:34, March 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Here are my top 5 votes:


 * 1926 Nassau hurricane
 * Hurricane Cleo
 * Hurricane Dennis
 * Hurricane Stan
 * Hurricane Hanna


 * Andrew Talk To Me  Contribs  Mail Me  01:58, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Mine:
 * Cyclone of the Five Days
 * 1926 Nassau hurricane
 * Hurricane Charlie
 * Hurricane Dennis
 * Hurricane Stan
 * Hanna was very tempting, but Gordon got in for similar reasons. --HurricaneMaker99 20:05, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

So are we ever going to start back up with this? Are we waiting until Eric comes back, if he ever does? --Dylan (HurricaneMaker99) 05:38, July 16, 2014 (UTC)